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Enough is enough! (Original Post) Uncle Joe Feb 2022 OP
Enough! . .... Lovie777 Feb 2022 #1
K & R malaise Feb 2022 #2
Anyone know the bill number? George II Feb 2022 #3
..... sheshe2 Feb 2022 #25
K & Fuckin' R! nt Carlitos Brigante Feb 2022 #4
Meh... brooklynite Feb 2022 #5
How does any speech or speeches make a difference? Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #9
They might have in past days. Not at present. brooklynite Feb 2022 #10
Because people aren't affected or influenced by speeches? Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #11
Honestly, no. brooklynite Feb 2022 #12
Well if Trump and his fascist cohorts had kept their mouths shut, Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #21
We're not talking about the insurrection here. We're discussing pharmaceutical companies. George II Feb 2022 #26
No, we were talking about the power of speech. Uncle Joe Feb 2022 #27
Maybe because billionaires aren't affected by speeches questionseverything Feb 2022 #20
In many, or even most cases, correct. But in this case, the best way to actually accomplish.... George II Feb 2022 #22
It makes no difference...no bills will be passed. He would better to be looking into clever Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #17
When enough Republicans choose "let's go Darwin" IronLionZion Feb 2022 #6
Thanks Uncle Joe for always posting Bernie's tweets KS Toronado Feb 2022 #7
Long overdue. BeckyDem Feb 2022 #8
One of my meds (generic) Miguelito Loveless Feb 2022 #13
Thanks Uncle Joe K&R Emile Feb 2022 #14
K n R!!! JoeOtterbein Feb 2022 #15
Bernie's the best ... and has been for quite some KPN Feb 2022 #16
Bernie would be met with shrugs if he said all that in a different country. Aussie105 Feb 2022 #18
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2022 #19
Thank you Tickle Feb 2022 #23
Good luck, Bernie, Totally Tunsie Feb 2022 #24
Amen! Make them all vote on the record JT45242 Feb 2022 #28
Thanks UJ. Magoo48 Feb 2022 #29

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
5. Meh...
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 04:59 PM
Feb 2022

IOW, he and Amy are going to make speeches. That's not how it works. You draft a Bill, THEN convince the appropriate Committee to vote for it, THEN convince the Senate to vote for it. How will a speech make any difference.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
9. How does any speech or speeches make a difference?
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 05:23 PM
Feb 2022

As a student of history I believe speeches do make a difference although it's generally not measurable.

I believe one thing is for certain in order for the American People to make our most sound deliberations, ie; voting and supporting our preferred political leaders we need the Senate to come out of the dark shadows of non-accountability.

That's what the filibuster is all about, a means to avoid accountability to the people, now since they can't or won't vote then speeches are pretty much all the American People have to gauge exactly where our Senators stand on these issues.

History will record it.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
12. Honestly, no.
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 05:32 PM
Feb 2022

First, people certainly aren't watching C-SPAN. And has been pointed out before, the audience on MSNBC or FOX (which won't cover the speech) are relatively small. Networks won't cover a speech that isn't tied to a bigger story about BBB or some other legislation (there currently isn't one). And given the partisan divide, most politically engaged people have already decided which side of the issue they're on. So, no, this speech will not be consequential at all.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
21. Well if Trump and his fascist cohorts had kept their mouths shut,
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 06:55 PM
Feb 2022

do you believe the Insurrection and coup attempt on January 6th would've taken place?

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
20. Maybe because billionaires aren't affected by speeches
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 06:47 PM
Feb 2022

But you never know until you try

And we really should try everything before the, “secret’s in the sauce “ option

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. In many, or even most cases, correct. But in this case, the best way to actually accomplish....
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 07:22 PM
Feb 2022

....what was spoken about (I watch C-Span quite a bit, but got distracted and didn't see them) is to draft and introduce a bill, whip up support for it, and get it passed.

It would also need a counterpart in the House, too.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
17. It makes no difference...no bills will be passed. He would better to be looking into clever
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 06:16 PM
Feb 2022

ways using executive orders or funds earmarked for another purpose. What he is doing may make him feel better I suppose but it will do nothing for the homeless or those who pay too much for pharmacy... the only way to change that is to elect more Democrats.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
13. One of my meds (generic)
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 05:36 PM
Feb 2022

went from $11 a month to $72 a month for no reason other than "we can screw you and you WILL pay".

KPN

(15,643 posts)
16. Bernie's the best ... and has been for quite some
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 06:13 PM
Feb 2022

time. He’s done more to shed public light on the gross inequities in our economic system and policies than anyone since FDR in my book. He’s a national treasure and hero to millions. The Democratic Party is fortunate to have him in its camp.

And many thanks to you Uncle Joe for posting these tweets from Bernie for those of us who don’t twitter.

Aussie105

(5,387 posts)
18. Bernie would be met with shrugs if he said all that in a different country.
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 06:21 PM
Feb 2022

And the response would be, "We agree! But why the noise? We have been doing it that way for decades!"

In America though, the land of the Free, the land of too many unvaccinated, too expensive medicines, etc, he is just another voice of reason not listened to.

Sad!

But keep at it Bernie!

JT45242

(2,267 posts)
28. Amen! Make them all vote on the record
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:53 AM
Feb 2022

Whether or not it passes, having this vote hang like an albatross around the necks of rethugs for the midterm elections.

Maybe, just maybe, then someone will run ads saying

Insert dirtbag rethug senator here voted against
... affordable prescription costs
... Paid family leave
...

Big list of initiative that the majority of voters support.

With that we might even get rid of 'safe' douchebags like Grassley. That plus the Jan 6 hearings.

Magoo48

(4,708 posts)
29. Thanks UJ.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:20 AM
Feb 2022

With 600,000 people homeless and 60,000,000 real unemployed, (4.anthing is a bad joke) working folks and the poor really need some breaks.

Homeless encampments lining LA streets show our economy is still sick.

Unemployment figures are fiddled in many ways. We do everyone a disservice by parroting any government figures that aren’t real.

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