Thank you all.

[NanceGreggs]

When I hit post my thread on my latest OP, I did so expecting that it might be my last. And I was prepared to accept that outcome.

I knew there would be some here who supported my views, but never expected there would be so many who did so.

I was in a 'state' when I posted - a state of anger, a state of frustration, but mostly a state of despair that many of my fellow Democrats find it necessary to disparage those of us who believe that fighting for justice is a means to ensuring that it finally will prevail.

Many responders perceived my OP as a call for censorship, or a mandate that opposing views should be quashed - and I blame myself for that perception. Apparently I did not express myself with as much clarity as was warranted.

The fact is that there is a difference, IMHO, between stating one's belief that justice will inevitably not be served and the need to mock the opinions of those who believe otherwise.

Replies to "good news" revelations about Trump & Co's corruption and illegal activities that consist of they're going to get away with it anyway serve no purpose other than to dampen the enthusiasm of those who see those revelations as yet another step towards exposing what needs to be exposed.

I am truly grateful to all of you who renewed my faith in my fellow DUers, and recognized that expressing my dismay at those who encourage us to give up the fight is being recognized for what it is.

In addition, thank you for all the hearts - dozens of which were donated after I posted what I thought would be my last OP here.

I thought I was alone in my views - apparently I wasn't. And I appreciate every one of you who let me know, in no uncertain terms, that the fight goes on.

[SheltieLover]

1. {{{Nance}}}

I'm sorry to say I missed your post, but I have no doubt it was superbly crafted & spot on, as your posts always are.

Dunno what you said, but I agree!

I appreciate you & obviously many others do as well!

[lamp_shade]

5. Here ya go...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216334401

[SheltieLover]

15. Ty!

Busy morning here. Appreciate you sharing.

[Maeve]

2. We all get in "a state" now and then

Your friends recognize when that happens and try to respond with support. That's how you can tell them from non-friends.

[RobertDevereaux]

3. You are a treasure!

[multigraincracker]

4. I get the feeling DU is catching on...

I haven't been alerted on in quite a while.
Bless your heart my dear.

[gab13by13]

7. I don't ever consider alerting on anyone,

I say it directly to whoever.

[multigraincracker]

12. Great way to do it.

I won't be on a jury because because I'm afraid I might just not get what the member is really trying to say without testimony.

Happy I'm not alone on this.

[gab13by13]

6. What fight?

We are on the same page, we are not divided. I want more from DOJ, so what? Many feel that DOJ is acting just as it should, I totally respect that. Why does there have to be a fight? We all have the same goal, accountability, that is what unites us.

[jimmil]

8. We can be both at the same time..

Altho you may have been disparaged by some here who believe justice will never be served to those whose lust for power and greed know no boundaries (me being one) we still do our small part by participating in campaigns, voting, whatever. I personally contribute a thousand dollars to the DNC yearly. It's not much but it helps. I make some phone calls for people running on the Democrat ticket. I do nothing great but to slog on and hope. Everyone here on this site also does what they can to help even if it is something small like telling a friend to vote Democrat in an election. It may sway a vote. It is something. We all still do small things despite our feelings that the GOP is nothing more than a crime syndicate now.

The only way I will change my mind about the GOP skating around justice is to see a lot (not just the few we have seen so far) of indictments handed out to the criminals that have turned our country into their own private fiefdom.

[NoMoreRepugs]

9. Ms NG - you are NEVER alone in the fight for what's right.

[katmondoo]

10. I love every word you post. You are one of the great ones here on DU.

Never leave us.

[niyad]

11. (((((((((((((Nace))))))))))))) standing right next to you.

[nebby70]

13. we all get weary and tired and frustrated ...

... but know, in this house, my hubby and I delight in each post from NanceGreggs ....
... we've commented to each other our wish we could say things as clearly ...
... it's hard not to wish that justice would move more swiftly - and patience isn't my strong suit ...
... but you, dear, remind me that I'm not the only one willing to keep on aiming for the better good....
... you are treasured, and a day without a NanceGreggs is never quite as sunny

[samplegirl]

14. Your a treasure

to D.U. Always have been!

[MineralMan]

16. I guess we told you!

Stick around, Nance. It's about to start getting interesting, I think.

[Silver Gaia]

17. Thank YOU

for voicing what many could not, or at least could not have done so well. Lending support was a pleasure.

[relayerbob]

18. You're one of the folks I want to read when I go on DU

And you are almost always 100% right on the money

[PatrickforB]

19. Well, yeah. No worries. Some people, myself included, may feel a bit cynical

about Trump ever actually being prosecuted, but that doesn't mean we aren't fighting the good fight at local, state and even national levels.

These Republicans have rejected democracy, and are trying to drag us down the slippery slope to an authoritarian government.

But we do have to be careful. Even now, our media is conflating anti-war sentiment with a lack of patriotism. And, if you have followed our history, you know, as I do, that every time the people start to force the issue on voting, healthcare, higher wages, better working conditions and so on, the oligarchs simply throw a little war.

Consider WWI and the Sedition Act that imprisoned the true American hero Eugene Debs, while it elevated the Bush family to prominence through selling weapons...to both sides.

Consider WWII - unions were strong, and labor was clawing back again - so we embargoed the oil supply for the Japanese Empire. The result: Pearl Harbor and war. We became the arsenal of democracy. Or so they say.

Then think about the first coup - how the Military Industrial Complex became preeminent and impossible to dislodge at all after the assassination of JFK. By 1965, LBJ had sent half a million of our kids over to support a corrupt tin-pot dictatorship in South Vietnam just because the MIC wanted to sell more weapons and achieve higher shareholder profits.

And think about events subsequent to 911 - the Neocons wanting an oil empire, and lying about WMD in Iraq. The Bush Doctrine. Unilateral invasion of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Truth is, the oligarchs are the real rulers of us. This is why we can squander $4.2 trillion on the two forever wars, and waste trillions more on feckless, irresponsible tax cuts for billionaire parasites. They want all the money from our treasury, and what do we get?

Individual taxpayers like us supplying 86% of the government's tax revenue while corporations only put in 6.8%.

Crumbling infrastructure.

Crummy, rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays.

Our grandkids having to borrow ever higher amounts to finance college, and so starting off in deep holes of debt.

So, yeah, Nance...we all have to fight the good fight, and KEEP fighting even when things seem darkest.

Those of you who know me know that I advocate ending the shareholder primacy doctrine and imposing a stakeholder approach on corporate governance, and revising the tax code so it is impossible for anyone to become a billionaire, and so corporations and rich people pay their fair share, and finally Medicare for all Americans. Those would be a good start, policy wise.

But then, the billionaire parasites have lots of money, and they attack decency on a thousand different fronts every day, with think tanks like ALEC, the Federalist Society, and the Heritage Foundation - to name only a few. What do we have? Our votes. Our ability to be involved at the local level. Our social media. Our ability to educate apathetic people.

[onecaliberal]

33. I agree with you PatrickforB.

[Ligyron]

43. Great points well said.

[Escurumbele]

20. My response wont go well with those who read "or a mandate that opposing views should be quashed"

Anyone who read that is because they understood things that were not there, I thought your message was very clear, as it always is. Your message was one that needed to be said and needs to be spread because I too have complained about people writing negative scripts, it doesn't help and we must believe that at the end of the day justice will prevail and the thugs will be made accountable.

I understand the frustrations, I too have them from not seeing anything happening with the DOJ, but we must believe those who know, like Dan Goldman, Neal Katyal who stay positive the DOJ is on it but keeping things under wraps, and in the mean time we must continue educating those who do not seem to grab the facts of the destruction and criminality of trump and his gang.

Nance, you are a treasure to DU, I am always looking forward to reading your posts, you are an incredible writer, national newspapers should publish everything you write.

[ailsagirl]

21. NancyGreggs, congratulations!!!

You deserve it!!

[emanymton69]

22. Rock Steady. Your Voice Is The Voice Of Reason.

Your opinion is always welcome. (I speak only for myself.) Thank you for being so strong and capable.

Ema Nymton
~ @ : O ? +

[BlueJac]

23. You rock Nance!

[c-rational]

24. NanceGreggs, as many have stated you are a DU treasure. You were correct in your OP IMHO

and we are all better off remembering that thoughts have power and there are reasons to project confidence. Keep up the good fight. I most appreciate your spirit!

[LittleGirl]

25. I joined DU to cheer your posts. Please stick around.

Sometimes it’s all too much, especially lately. I felt your post was that you were feeling hopeless and I’ve had lots of that lately as well. Every time I turn on the news, it’s 45, 45, 45…and I’m sick of him.

Hubby asks nearly everyday, “Did they arrest Trump yet.”

Hang in there!

[Mister Ed]

26. It's simple. Doom-and-gloom posters know we're in a desperate battle, and so do the rest of us.

In war, soldiers must not spread despair and defeatism in the ranks. Posts that say, in essence, "We're in terrible danger!" are good, and necessary. But those that seem to say, "The battle's already over, and we've lost!" can serve no purpose - except perhaps to help bring about the defeat that the poster envisions.

Buck up, soldiers.

[joanbarnes]

27. Thank YOU! You are a treasure here who SO often speaks well for all of us!

[Caliman73]

28. Curious as to why you thought it would be your last post...

You didn't break any TOS. Were you planning to quit DU?

I don't fully agree with what you posted, and primarily stayed away from that thread. I understand your frustration with seeing people post their own frustrations about the situation we are in.

We here in America have a pretty poor record of holding the powerful to account. We have elections and people are sent packing, but we have a really bad record of holding politicians who have ostensibly broken our laws to account.

I have said this many times, but we have had AT LEAST two politicians that became Presidents that illegally negotiated foreign policy during election years. One of whom was eventually forces to resign for unrelated crimes, and the other who is celebrated. We had an administration blatantly lie us into two wars that we spent the last 12 to 20 years fighting.

I value good faith disagreement and argument. I think that facts and truth, or at least mutual understanding can be achieved. The problem is that too many of us see any opposition as bad faith. We don't try to understand where a person may be coming from.

There are some fairly obvious signs of a bad faith argument, but even the "despair" posts can be coming from a genuine place and not meant merely to disrupt or "bring people down". When we say, "They serve no purpose other than to..." that is shutting down any conversation.

I have asked people questions in posts to try to understand the motivations for their arguments. Sometimes they get very upset and start calling names or dodging in other ways. Then I know that I cannot engage in a good faith discussion.

I often find your posts interesting and I know that we need to fight for our country. Having a real conversation can be difficult but I think that DU could be better if we were really trying to have those conversations.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

29. We love you, my dear Nance.....always have, always will. ♥

[sheshe2]

30. No.

Thank you, Nance. 🥰❤️❤️❤️

[I_UndergroundPanther]

31. I love ya Nance

Even when events scare the crap out of me and doubts are eating me alive, you and others on here on DU whether you know it or not I am thankful. I might not always be optimistic( I have depression.) But I appreciate the ones that are even when I'm not.

[Hekate]

32. Sweetie, you got hearts from me, the 300th Rec from me, and a whole lotta love....

And as you see, I was far from the only one. There are so many days recently where I scan the GD posts and just go aaaagh, and move on.

We got trolls, and there are nights when I get sucked down the vortex by them as they amplify my darkest thoughts.

Even so — DU has had some bad patches before. I left once for a couple of years, after several of my friends got ejected and I started being stalked myself.

The country itself has had some bad patches before, but as this is broad daylight and not 1:30 in the morning, I don’t think I’m leaving the country — too old, for one thing.

No brilliant advice here, but last time I secretly started thinking about leaving DU one of my friends happened to start a thread about all the people she’d miss, if — and by the time I reached 10 on my mental count, I realized I wasn’t going anyplace. This month when I renewed and bought hearts, I had a lengthy list of folks whose posts I look for every day.

Just sayin’

[CaptainTruth]

34. The fight goes on, which means WE must go on.

Defending democracy is not a spectator sport, we all have a part to play.

Thank you again for that wonderful post. You rock.

[Skittles]

35. HA!

we wouldn't let you go THAT easily my sweet

[solara]

36. You're the top, Nance

You're one of the reasons I'm still here. There are others, of course, who inspire and enlighten me..however your 'voice' is and has always been exceptional.

I always look forward to your posts and wish you would post more often than you do.

Thank you for sharing all these years.

[nolabear]

37. Nah, Nance. You're family.

Fams get thick a lot of the time but the strong ones end up working through and trusting one another to hang together even when they square off sometimes.

I happen to agree with you, so I’m glad you took the chance.

[bigtree]

38. ha!

...as if.

[The Wizard]

39. Nance Rants

is a major reason I'm still here.

[rurallib]

40. donchya never leave. I read anything of yours I see.

Your at the top!

[William769]

41. I will be the first to admit that I do not articulate myself very well

I aspire to be able to write like you.

Especially since we are like minded.

If you were to ever leave DU, you would be taking part of it's soul.

[sheshe2]

44. +++

[SouthernDem4ever]

42. We got your back!

I won't go without a fight. If I did, it would be an insult to those who sacrificed before me so I could live in a lawful democracy. Looking forward to trump and company doing time. They deserve nothing less.

[Ligyron]

45. Never, has a President of the United States been arrested and charged with a crime.

Came close with Nixon, but…

If that is to happen, then that case had better be absolutely airtight with every “I” dotted and “T”crossed, checked and then double checked and that, I realize, takes time.

As impatient as I am to see justice served and that orange baboon punished, especially with him committing further crimes right out in the open, I believe the DOJ is due a little more time and benefit of the doubt before we completely give up on them.

It will be hard enough to convict him with potential Trumper‘s in the jury pool but can you imagine the reaction if we screwed up right out of the gate?

[orangecrush]

46. You rock, Nance!

That is all!