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rustbeltvoice

(430 posts)
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:58 AM Feb 2022

coercive evangelism

Some press say "Christian" revival. No, it is religious of sort, but not generically or collectively Christian. It should be labelled as what kind or type. To be duped, or forced to experience this is to become a hostage.

https://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/religious-revival-prompts-walkout-by-huntington-high-students/article_77c5d464-e581-51e0-a482-f08a8a59efb9.html

https://www.wboy.com/news/west-virginia/huntington-high-students-protest-forced-religious-revival-with-walkout/

"some students were reportedly forced to go to a religious revival event at school"
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from something i wrote in 2013 mentioning a confrontational evangelist that toured mid-west colleges:

Well, i was reading about a 'confrontational evangelist' on a college campus. I was reminded of Jed Smock, he has a wiki page, and two short (18 and 4 minutes) films about him. I was surprised. He is still in business, and it has grown. I saw him at two of our Ohio colleges in the late '70s.

Again, i do not like being yelled at. I don't deal well with bosses, and cops, and any tyrannical jerk who barks like a rabid dog at me.

Well, being a good Catholic boy, and never being in any Protestant service whatsoever, i was surprised and jolted by aggressive 'evangelisation'. I was familiar with the television, and i could turn channels (Oral Roberts -- nuts, Billy Graham -- boring, Swaggart -- disgusting, Robert Schuller -- pablum, Rex Humbard -- i forget), and the on/off knob; and the gabby porch hoppers with apocalyptic scripts of fantasy. The teevee preachers i found as bad entertainment; Art Linklater, and Ed Sullivan were far more entertaining. Well, what i encountered on campus were inquisitorial episodes of great discomfort, and occasionally deception. No, this was not the way of Christ, this was the way of psychotics, and yet people defended them (and some agreed with their method) for their sincerity, devotion, and goal.

Back to Jed, for some reason i thought his name was Judd Smock. I was always corrected. At the time, he was already in a routine of college touring; so people that were there at school before me, were familiar with his act. I thought the name was made up, apparently it was not. I thought Smock was a play on 'Schmuck', and 'Jed' and 'Judd' were not normal names (to my ear). Well his patter, he repeated on each arrival, sort like vaudeville—you have a five minute act, and therefore a career. Five minutes was about as much as one could take, but many people knew his back story. He used to do a bad Mick Jagger, where he sank down on a knee (if i remember) and sang (ok, maybe not sang, vocalised) "i can't get no satisfaction". He had Sr. Cindy, whom i just now read became his wife. She was not the headliner.

I never did see such a large crowd about him. He used to set himself in a spot that had much intersecting foot traffic, and you would come upon him not realising he was in performance. Some people were just walking from point A to point B, and he would intercept and accost them. If it was not obvious that he was in performance, it would have been an assault, for it was very similar to being challenged to a street fight. If one had a shirt with the name of another college, he would provoke. He had special venom for someone with a Catholic school jersey. At the time, there were foreign students from southwest Asia on campus and he would attack them about being Moslem. I did not see him with, although i could guarantee the same tactic (ambush) directed at, an east or south Asian student. He would see a non-european ethnic physicality to a person, and assume their religion and belief system. Welcome to America.

Catholics in confession would tell their sins, their transgressions, privately to a priest. This bobo would publicly accuse people at first sight that were unknown to him as having committed a particular sin, or series. How would he have foreknowledge? As a Catholic, the term 'presumption' comes up. Apparently, the rationale is to rebuke the 'sinner' to belief. Under the worst of communism, and other totalitarian dictatorships, some petty commissar or other functionary would accuse one of something, and one would be forced to confess. No, this is NOT of Jesus. And Jed, and the others have converts. Oh, to be 'born again' of such parents in the faith.

Early christianity, converted the pagan roman empire; certainly this was not the method used. There was a love, and much real suffering of the christian. I have heard, and read, Jack Chick-like views of constantinian christianity. I followed that rubbish back to a XIXth century preacher/professor at Bucknell college. No, that method is more akin to the US hydra-headed lunatic fringe of calvinistic protestantism. It is a mean narcissism of willful spite. Throughout history christianity has made compromises with society, but this is a ruthlessness against humanity—a psychotic puritanism, that would not be able to recruit unless there was a frame of reference already in existence.

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coercive evangelism (Original Post) rustbeltvoice Feb 2022 OP
All evangelism is coercive. Thomas Hurt Feb 2022 #1
Itinerant College Evangelshouters have been around for a very long time. MineralMan Feb 2022 #2

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. All evangelism is coercive.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 12:09 PM
Feb 2022

The concept of proselytizing presupposes the victims of their attentions are at best mistaken in their belief/faith and at worst in league with the Satan.

MineralMan

(146,307 posts)
2. Itinerant College Evangelshouters have been around for a very long time.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 12:14 PM
Feb 2022

I remember "Holy Hubert" in the early 1970s. He'd show up in the quad and attract a crowd, most of whom took great pleasure in mocking him to stimulate higher and higher degrees of antagonistic speech. He was comic relief in a time fraught with anti-war protesting and gender-related activism.

He was annoying, but entertaining.

https://berkeleyplaques.org/e-plaque/holy-hubert-lindsey/

It's a profession of sorts.

Here's a contemporary college newspaper account of a visit from "Holy Hubert":

https://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2920&context=studentnewspaper

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