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(34,195 posts)
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:41 PM Feb 2022

Franken on Senate resignation: 'They made it impossible for me to get due process'

Former Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) in an interview on Wednesday criticized how allegations of sexual misconduct against him were handled, saying “they made it impossible for me to get due process.” Franken resigned from the Senate in December 2017 following sexual misconduct accusations made by several women ...

Colleagues pressured him to step down, but Franken denied any wrongdoing even after he announced he would resign. In an interview with Washington Post Live on Thursday, he said that news outlets had not immediately investigated the claims made by the accusers and that lawmakers had denied him due process.

“No one investigated this. No one at The Washington Post investigated it. No one at The New York Times investigated — no one did any investigation of this at all. And I had 36 of my colleagues demand that I leave, and I didn't get due process,” Franken said. “And it was a pretty awful experience for me and my family.”

The magazine also noted that seven current or former senators have publicly regretted pushing for Franken’s resignation without more information: Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Angus King (I-Maine) and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) in addition to former Sens. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and Tom Udall (D-N.M.).

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/593717-franken-on-senate-resignation-they-made-it-impossible-for-me-to-get-due


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Franken on Senate resignation: 'They made it impossible for me to get due process' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 OP
Indeed they did, Al. All but a tiny minority on this site know that was the case... hlthe2b Feb 2022 #1
They may know it now sarisataka Feb 2022 #6
We lost a valuable and important voice in the Senate. dalton99a Feb 2022 #2
and we all know who they are JohnSJ Feb 2022 #3
Indeed. hlthe2b Feb 2022 #10
This was a real low point for the Democratic Party. Of all the people & entities who failed ... Hekate Feb 2022 #4
And the right used it against Democrats maxrandb Feb 2022 #8
I agree. It was infuriating at the time knowing this SalviaBlue Feb 2022 #28
Kamala Harris was the first to go on telly and call for him to resign, around 30 minutes after Celerity Feb 2022 #5
It was like a stampede leftstreet Feb 2022 #7
in the end all but 5 privately or publicly told him to go Celerity Feb 2022 #9
those senators' reasoning was exactly the same as Franken's own rationale for resigning bigtree Feb 2022 #17
so did he resign because Kamala Harris said he should? bigtree Feb 2022 #11
He was the one who made the decision, but the OP shows he is (at least partially) blaming Celerity Feb 2022 #12
well, yeah, he's saying that now bigtree Feb 2022 #16
I made no comment as to his motivation, that was all you from the start Celerity Feb 2022 #18
okay, you just provided the graphic and youtube vid. Thought it was a slam bigtree Feb 2022 #20
I do not think he should have resigned, he should have let the process play out. The distraction Celerity Feb 2022 #22
the accusations were coming in pretty fast bigtree Feb 2022 #26
That's funny -- I just woke up this morning to the memory of tandem5 Feb 2022 #13
They did him dirt Leith Feb 2022 #14
Come back, Senator superpatriotman Feb 2022 #15
Should he run for a House seat? Celerity Feb 2022 #19
Elizabeth Warren and Kirsten Gillibrand need to apologize too! ananda Feb 2022 #21
all but 5 Dem Senators need to (who were in the Senate then) Celerity Feb 2022 #23
He was piled on, unfairly. Greybnk48 Feb 2022 #24
I still wonder what an investigation might've uncovered suegeo Feb 2022 #25
I'm glad he finally spoke about this now that tavernier Feb 2022 #27

hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
1. Indeed they did, Al. All but a tiny minority on this site know that was the case...
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:43 PM
Feb 2022

and find it indefensible.

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)
6. They may know it now
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:54 PM
Feb 2022

But at that time most were jumping right up on the bandwagon. Those who called for an investigation were outnumbered by the immediate resignation voices.

Hekate

(90,673 posts)
4. This was a real low point for the Democratic Party. Of all the people & entities who failed ...
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:49 PM
Feb 2022

… to investigate Franken before throwing him to the wolves, you know who did investigate? Online sleuths who found out just how dodgy his accuser was, and who she hung out with. People who know how to effing use the Google.

That photo wasn’t evidence of anything but a raunchy USO prank, after a tour where she participated very publicly in raunchy skits.

maxrandb

(15,324 posts)
8. And the right used it against Democrats
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:56 PM
Feb 2022

by convincing enough suburban women that their sons wouldn't even be able to ask a girl out without Dems coming after him and accusing him of sexual harassment.

Funny how they used that fear to elect a serial sexual abuser and suspected pedophile.

On the plus side, he and his party would never comes after their sons for harassment...unless, of course, the son was in a family of Democrats.

SalviaBlue

(2,916 posts)
28. I agree. It was infuriating at the time knowing this
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:18 PM
Feb 2022

was pure RepubliCon playbook aka BULLSHIT. And the Dems caved (again) and lost one of their best.

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
5. Kamala Harris was the first to go on telly and call for him to resign, around 30 minutes after
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:52 PM
Feb 2022

Gillibrand and (all within minutes) many other Dem Senators (mostly from the group of Dem Senator women who had been meeting for weeks about it) started tweeting and FB posting for him to go.

Democrat Sen. Kamala Harris calls on Franken to resign





there were others not listed in that graphic btw

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
9. in the end all but 5 privately or publicly told him to go
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 03:03 PM
Feb 2022

Menendez was under federal corruption indictment and refused to comment

Then the 3 on the Senate Ethics Committee (who could not take a stance)



and finally, the only one who said he should not resign at all, Manchin

All of those 5 except Manchin, given different circumstances, would have called for him to step down as well IMHO.


bigtree

(85,996 posts)
17. those senators' reasoning was exactly the same as Franken's own rationale for resigning
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 04:14 PM
Feb 2022

...that the ethics committee investigation would be a distraction.

Franken said exactly that in his resignation speech. Was he telling the truth?

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
11. so did he resign because Kamala Harris said he should?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 03:19 PM
Feb 2022

...or was it his own, personal decision?

I don't recall Franken blaming Democratic senators for his decision to resign, but I could be wrong.

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
12. He was the one who made the decision, but the OP shows he is (at least partially) blaming
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 03:24 PM
Feb 2022

his Democratic colleagues for forcing his hand.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
16. well, yeah, he's saying that now
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 04:05 PM
Feb 2022

...but here's his resignation speech:

"It’s become clear that I can’t both pursue the Ethics Committee process and at the same time remain an effective senator for them. Let me be clear. I may be resigning my seat, but I am not giving up my voice. I will continue to stand up for the things I believe in as a citizen and as an activist. But Minnesotans deserve a senator who can focus with all her energy on addressing the challenges they face every day."

Convenient to blame Democrats who agreed with him then, now, that it would distract from his job and the work the party needed to do at the time.

You make it sound like they had some other motivation than his own stated one, that the ethics investigation would be a distraction and that his seat could be filled with another Democrat committed to the same agenda, Tina Smith.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
20. okay, you just provided the graphic and youtube vid. Thought it was a slam
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 04:26 PM
Feb 2022

...it would help to point out that their reasoning was exactly the same as his stated own at the time, that the ethics committee investigation HE called for would be a distraction and that Tina Smith could do the same job in his seat.

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
22. I do not think he should have resigned, he should have let the process play out. The distraction
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 04:45 PM
Feb 2022

rationale is not that strong, as Menendez was under federal corruption indictment and went to trial (a far bigger 'distraction' in my book), and yet he never resigned. It ended in a mistrial, and then the DoJ decided to not re-try him.

In April 2018, the United States Senate Select Committee on Ethics "severely admonished" Menendez in a letter, writing:

The Committee has found that over a six-year period you knowingly and repeatedly accepted gifts of significant value from Dr. Melgen without obtaining required Committee approval, and that you failed to publicly disclose certain gifts as required by Senate Rule and federal law. Additionally, while accepting these gifts, you used your position as a Member of the Senate to advance Dr. Melgen’s personal and business interests. The Committee has determined that this conduct violated Senate Rules, federal law, and applicable standards of conduct. Accordingly, the Committee issues you this Public Letter of Admonition, and also directs you to repay the fair market value of all impermissible gifts not already repaid.


No resignation, and he still is in the Senate. Franken could have done the same I think, especially as the allegations against him were not being trued in a court of law, and some of them (if not most) were dodgy from the start.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
26. the accusations were coming in pretty fast
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 05:27 PM
Feb 2022

...multiple ones which really was what forced the senators' hands.

We wouldn't just go into some quiet zone on the charges if he ran again. It was a circus, and it would be again, I believe, now that political mustard has been spilled.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
13. That's funny -- I just woke up this morning to the memory of
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 03:30 PM
Feb 2022

Leeann Tweeden recounting her experience on The View that just so happened to exactly mirror the USO sketch they had done together while a gleeful Megan McCain was daring the panel to call Tweeden out so that she could scream "me-too" hypocrisy. Suffice it to say it wasn't a pleasant memory.

superpatriotman

(6,247 posts)
15. Come back, Senator
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 03:45 PM
Feb 2022

The party was wrong. The pile on was wrong. On behalf of those unable or unwilling to, I apologize.

Please come back.

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
23. all but 5 Dem Senators need to (who were in the Senate then)
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 04:49 PM
Feb 2022

in the end all but 5 privately or publicly told him to go

Menendez was under federal corruption indictment and refused to comment

Then the 3 on the Senate Ethics Committee (who could not take a stance)



and finally, the only one who said he should not resign at all, Manchin

All of those 5 except Manchin, given different circumstances, would have called for him to step down as well IMHO.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
24. He was piled on, unfairly.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 04:54 PM
Feb 2022

I'm still pissed about this, and I hope he comes back (although, if it was me, I wouldn't bother. The whole thing was shitty).

suegeo

(2,573 posts)
25. I still wonder what an investigation might've uncovered
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 05:01 PM
Feb 2022

Did any of the accusers get bribes, in Russian currency? Or from that money laundering country where that old goat Wilbur Ross banked?

Did any of the accusers get a condo on DJT's shitty golf course? Or in his mobbed up tower in NYC?

A few weeks before, a loud-ish Minnesota voice, Garrison Keilor, got accused of sexual harassment, which was a joke. It silenced his voice, which was one of the first to call out W's deadly clown car.

Also a few weeks before, local Minnesota congressmen were accused of sexual misconduct.

This was all a set up to keep Al quiet.

tavernier

(12,383 posts)
27. I'm glad he finally spoke about this now that
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:38 PM
Feb 2022

the feeding frenzy is long over and some folks actually feel like shit heels.

I haven’t felt the same about Schumer since, not to mention a couple of others.

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