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Irish_Dem

(46,426 posts)
1. China is probably just using Putin right now.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 06:38 PM
Feb 2022

Putin thinks he is the smartest and richest man in the world.
He has met his match with China.

They will eat him up and spit him out if they want.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
5. I am sure that not all of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons are aimed at the US and NATO.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:32 PM
Feb 2022

Also their tactical nuclear weapons number 3,000-6,000. China has 150. I large army doesn't do a country any good if all its cities are radioactive ash heaps. It is definitely not a good idea to invade Russia.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
6. Slow motion invasion so far.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:36 PM
Feb 2022

Many Chinese have moved to the Russian Far East.

Eventually many, many more will go north when climate change kicks into overdrive.

Caliman73

(11,722 posts)
3. If anything it would be like the Germany-USSR pact during WWII
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:00 PM
Feb 2022

They might team up together to mess with the United States, but they are bigger rivals to each other than to the US. China is reliant on trade with the United States. They actually share borders with each other. They are both vying to be the big player in regions bordering on each other as well.

They will not play well together for long.

PortTack

(32,691 posts)
4. Agree! The kind of pact Russia is wanting with China, doesn't seem possible
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:11 PM
Feb 2022

In the long run, as you said Russia will lose out. China highly values education and cultural endeavors and of course wants to continue trade with the US which Russia doesn’t

Seems possibly a self limiting push on the part of Russia

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
7. They have a mutual enemy in the US
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:39 PM
Feb 2022

Now how long their cooperation will last is anybodies guess. They aren't exactly on greatest terms either.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
8. Ever since the USSR collapsed, Russia would prefer integration into Europe
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:00 PM
Feb 2022

However, US/UK policy has been to prevent that under any other terms than as a completely obsequious vassal to New York and London.

The process of subjugation of Russia began under Yeltsin, but Putin has managed to stop and reverse it. At present Russia has no other choice than to ally with China.

Post Brexit, there is the possibility of rapprochement between Russia and the EU, but this will take time and evolution on both sides, both politically and culturally.

The picture is complicated by the continued development of the Islamic and Hindu civilizational communities. Note that the video is Azerbaijani. Azerbaijan is now an ally of Turkey, which has its sights set on leadership of a pan-Turkic Islamic community.

PortTack

(32,691 posts)
9. I did see that ..caspian I'm sure as in the Caspian Sea. He is very informative, other videos
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:13 PM
Feb 2022

Accurate and substantive

moondust

(19,956 posts)
10. Do all megalomaniacs think alike?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:40 PM
Feb 2022

Putin thinks Ukraine and other former SSRs should still belong to him despite already having the largest country on Earth by far. Clearly doesn't need Lebensraum.

Xi thinks Hong Kong and Taiwan should belong to him despite already having a huge country with the largest population on Earth. If he wants Lebensraum somebody better tell him that HK and Taiwan won't provide much of that. Better to go after Siberia.

Hitler apparently (stupidly) thought most of Europe and the USSR should belong to him in the name of Lebensraum despite not really needing the space for the rather limited German population.

Lust for MORE/BIGGER/MORE/BIGGER/MORE/BIGGER/MORE/BIGGER ???

DFW

(54,268 posts)
12. Puitin is a product, indeed a former citizen and scret policeman, of the Soviet Empire
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 03:35 AM
Feb 2022

He acts as if he feels that part of his great country was taken away from him personally, and he wants it back.

As heads of two great imperial powers that border on each other, Xi and Putin will never trust each other (neither did Hitler and Stalin), but that would never hinder them from temporary alliances of convenience, especially if there mere appearance of one is enough to freak out the EU and the USA.

Putin's barely hidden machinations in the UK to encourage Brexit were about as secret as a royal wedding in Westminster Abbey. Divide and conquer is neither new, nor ineffective.

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