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Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:52 PM

Is there a way to get conservatives out of trucking?

Why are they allowed to have so much power over commerce.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:57 PM

1. I don't understand the question.

 

Do you mean as in truckers? Like donít hire people if they vote a certain way? That likely wonít pass constitutional muster.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:58 PM

2. AI?

They may be accelerating their own decline.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:01 PM

3. Their licenses should be revoked along with their insurance

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:06 PM

6. Followed by BLM supporters?

Iím mean, if weíre letting State Governments seize the licenses of people who disagree with them, I sure that DeSantis / Kemp / Abbott will have some ideas.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:24 PM

11. Very good point

Those that advocate for authoritarian policies seem to think those same policies will never be used against them and I've never understood why.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:00 AM

47. Exactly!

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:46 AM

77. I am certainly not advocating for authoritarian policies.

But I expect to be held accountable under the law like anyone else and these truckers should be also.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:31 PM

17. For these guys who are violating a lot of laws about noise and where they can park, etc,

I DO think every possible legal summons should be used, though. There should be consequences for their having made the lives of the people living in the city hell for an extended period.

But any consequence needs to be because of a law they broke, not their political opinion.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:43 PM

18. "These guys" are Canadian.

Iím not aware that American truckers are breaking the law.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:45 PM

19. Yes I know.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:48 PM

20. People don't seem to grasp this.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:59 PM

25. Of course I know this. Why would it make a difference to what I said?

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:59 AM

85. It doesn't.

I was agreeing with you.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #85)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:38 AM

98. Oh. I lost the thread there.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:47 AM

78. EXACTLY!!!

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:02 AM

48. Exactly, I can't believe anyone would think this is a good idea...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:45 AM

76. No.

They're licenses should be revoked NOT because they are protesting or for WHAT they are protesting. I agree that is their right. Their licenses should be revoked because they are blocking traffic, commerce and infringing on the rights of their fellow citizens to move freely. They don't own those bridges, taxpayers do. They have no right to block them. I will admit they have every right to protest, but not the way they are doing it.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #76)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:37 AM

139. A number of BLM protests did the same and blocked highways or major intersections.

So they blocked traffic/commerce and infringed on the rights of their fellow citizens to move freely. Would you be in favor of them being arrested for doing so?

I suspect that if the authorities had arrested BLM protestors for doing so DU would have absolutely exploded with outrage. I seem to recall seeing posts about those protests making the precise point you're making, and the general consensus here was "oh well."

Can't have it both ways.

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Response to Jedi Guy (Reply #139)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 02:08 PM

155. True indeed. And if you said that they were breaking laws

it would have been racist. The arrests would have been racist.

I was reading about the protests in Chicago in 1968 involving Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Tom Hayden, etc. They were arrested and prosecuted under a statute other poster said there was clear proof TFG violated. Then when you read what they did, it was clear why they were arrested. And they did not get away with it for being white either. (The usual comment being that "if he were white, he would not be prosecuted."

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 05:59 AM

46. No, you can't do that and shouldn't.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:17 AM

69. As an owner/operator,

I will say that your post is one of the...........oh, never mind, it's not worth it.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #69)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:12 PM

150. ...

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:01 PM

4. No

That is all.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:03 PM

5. Why can't we drop a herd of skunks in their midst?

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:09 AM

42. They use polar bears in Canada.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:56 AM

62. Surfeit.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:13 PM

7. I'd venture a guess that the majority of truckers lean right

Not that they are all wingnuts. But it tends to be an uneducated group. Of course Iím speaking from experience 40 yrs ago when I drove for awhile. Itís a way a hard worker with limited education can make a living. And itís a rough life in so many ways. Long hours, long times away from home, hard physical labor between long stretches of sitting on your ass. Not a healthy lifestyle. So most people that can find better will not do it too long although there are those that enjoy that lifestyle. Iím sure plenty of them listen to RW radio for hours every day. All that being said they are doing a service that a lot of left leaning folks wouldnít want to do.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:14 PM

8. I think

it has to do with AM talk radio, which was taken over years ago by the right wing. And that's what they all listen to.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:20 PM

9. Can we all

hear the things we are saying right now?
I don't want people harassed and destroyed over their personal opinions.
I'm a Democrat, I don't just vote that way.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:28 PM

14. It's weird, right?

Maybe because I'm not really partisan, so I tend to feel like I'm viewing things with an outsider's perspective.

But it's gotten weird with the truckers, right? Like really authoritarian.

I just can't imagine these things being said if it was a protest by our side. We're the ones who have a decent chunk who think a general strike would be a good idea for various things.

It's like, what exactly did you think that would look like? Because it would look kind of like this only worse.

So are we doing a reassessment . . . . or do we just not like that the Right is being more disruptive than we usually manage when we're pissed off about something?

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:37 PM

26. Well, I suppose I just

find it somewhat disturbing that we are attacking people who are organized labor and fighting for something they want and believe in.
No, I don't agree with them in any way on the subject matter, but I stand by my convictions, even when it hurts. I support organized labor for pure reasons, not because they will vote the way I want.
I've even read comments about fetching military against these truckers, stealing their private property and taking away their livelihood, all because we disagree with their premise. This isn't a Democratic position in my apparently unpopular opinion.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:28 AM

70. This owner/operator fully agrees with your post,

there's even a post about most truckers leaning RW and most are uneducated, which I can say with experience and confidence that this is simply not true here in the US, there is diversity among truck drivers and most are educated, at least the ones I have met, and I've met a lot of company and independent truck drivers.

A lady friend of mine, who is a college graduate with a degree in engineering, now drives my other truck and she loves it, she gets paid to see the US and she finds it more relaxing than her former profession.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:09 AM

49. You get a heart! You are right

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:52 AM

82. Please understand...and this goes for everyone reading this thread...

NO ONE is advocating taking anyone's rights or punishing them for their opinions. Give us here at DU some credit for understanding the 1st Amendment and the right to political free speech and assembly. BUT these truckers are not merely exercising their rights to free speech, they are breaking the laws of the road and they know it. They should be held accountable under the law, just as they would be held accountable for driving drunk or any other law they break, no matter whether anyone agrees with them or not.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:13 AM

95. Actually, there have been a lot of

folks here advocating violating the rights of truckers up to and including confiscating their equipment, cancelling their careers, all sorts of nasty things.
I will certainly concede that a lot of these comments are probably made in jest, or simply out of aggravation. I do that myself from time to time and I'm not innocent either. But some of them are quite serious, and those are the ones that are disturbing to me.
I just think it's a really bad look for us overall, especially against an organized labor effort, something I stand behind with all of my convictions and will always defend.
I like almost everyone here, and I think we all agree on the basics. But I don't really comment on every thread I agree with (like 99% of them) or I'd be here all day posting thumbs-up replies. I usually only inject myself where I disagree, and this was just one of those.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #95)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:45 AM

100. +100. nt

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:14 AM

112. +1

The laws they are breaking.

Jumping on the chance for virtue signaling. People need to stop and think first. Of course no one here advocates punishment for political opinion. But pretending someone did that gives the person a chance to announce their purity.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:20 AM

116. And when we gather to protest there are laws that could be used to stop us too...

Sorry, Democracy is for all or it won't survive. I am categorically against making Truck Driving rules based on one's political leanings full stop.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #116)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 01:49 PM

154. If those were passenger vehicles instead of trucks...

They would still be breaking the law.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:21 PM

10. Is this a serious question ?

Seriously ?

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:24 PM

12. Just want to highlight the weird authoritarianism here

People are arguing with me that there isn't some blatant authoritarian-laced flavor in some of the responses to the truckers.

So . . .

This happened.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:28 PM

15. God forbid anyone talk about the dystopian

Populism of these truckers hereÖ

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:29 PM

16. Oh, it's all getting dystopian all right

I just didn't realize how eager some people would be for that sort of thing.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:57 PM

24. I'm not eager...

But we are seeing a growing movement of anti-democratic (small ďdĒ democratic) populists doing what they can to destroy law and order and replace it with mob rule. We need to ask why now and whoís funding it?

Are all truckers bad? Hell no! My daughter and her husband are both progressives and they drove for over a decade. There are also plenty of other decent truckers of all stripes condemning this freak show. But we do need to address this issue because the truckers involved in creating this chaos are part of a broader populist agenda whether they know it or not.

Dark money is funding this and other chaotic shit that all boils down to Lord of the Flies level dystopian populism. We need to get in front of this and stomp it out.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:46 PM

27. How is this any

different that a union completely shutting down operations and stopping services they provide when they organize and strike? It's disruptive, it negatively affects people who aren't even involved, it hurts everyone. That's the entire point of a strike, to apply pressure in numbers and in concert in order to gain leverage for a desired outcome. Do we really want to outlaw this practice? Would all strikers become outlaws, subject to arrest and property seizure? Are we really going to insist that government bring in tanks and militarized police to break them up? Because I see those calls here on this very site. It goes against every conviction we hold dear.
And NO, I don't agree with their demands, I think they are idiots. But that's my opinion, I'm not them. They are doing something we all support in any other circumstance. I support organized labor even if it doesn't serve me in some way. It's a right.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:06 PM

29. Generally speaking unions don't break the law even when they are striking.

These folks are shutting down freeways, blocking bridges, and impeding access to international airports. When people break the law for what they believe is a worthy cause, they still need to be prepared to accept the consequences.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:09 PM

30. I don't disagree,

and it appears to me that these truck drivers are most certainly prepared to accept the consequences. But that shouldn't include getting their civil rights stomped on.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:24 PM

34. What about the rights of others?

Their civil rights do not extend to breaking the law and they donít extend to violating the rights of others. How about all those who need to travel safely without being blocked by trucks closing down roads, bridges, and international ports? Where do they go for their rights being infringed?

These are not your average union members (in fact I doubt they are union members at all) they are populist anarchists violating national and international laws because they think they are more important than the societies they live in.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:27 PM

35. We stand divided

on this subject.
I supported it when other marched and did the same, and I'll (reluctantly) support the right of these jackasses to do the same.
I don't change how I see it depending on who it is.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:51 PM

36. Interesting...

So how do you feel about Jan 6th insurrectionists?

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:54 PM

37. Were they there

fighting for their rights or conditions at work?
That should answer the question sufficiently. The two are not the same, not even close.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #37)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:58 PM

38. Then why are these truckers flying Trump flags?

Why are they covering their trucks with anti-vax posters? The two are the same - exactly.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:05 AM

39. Ok the, maybe there is

something to talk about here.
There were two kinds of people at the January 6th "event".
Type 1 was there to protest. Type 2 were violent rioters.
Type 1 deserved to stand there and say what they wanted, unmolested, no matter how stupid.
Type 2 belong in jail where they currently are.
And the questions you are asking about the truck drivers? How the hell should I know why they fly Trump banners? Maybe because they are Trump nuts? I didn't say I agreed with a single one of them, I think they are dumbasses. I'm just saying they have a right to do what they are doing, just like anyone else who does the same for something they believe in. I believe in the same rules for everyone, equally, without bias, no matter how much I dislike them.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:32 AM

71. +100. nt

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:07 AM

51. It is a political protest from people I disagree with vehemently. However, I would lay down my

my life for their right to protest. If there are laws broken then those in authority can have them arrested of course. But the right of free assembly is in our constitution. However, if these morons shut down the Super Bowl or cause shortages, I think they will be sorry come the midterms... already, even in Ohio, I see a backlash against those who won't vaccinate.

Our strategy for the midterms will be getting out the votes in the Democratic cities but also working to get Democrats in rural areas and in small towns to the polls as well. We are hoping to win statewide races and to pick off even a couple of gerrymandered districts that if we can get the vote out might go our way.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:35 AM

72. +100.

If we don't get the vote out come Nov., then nothing else will matter.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:16 AM

96. agree nt

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Response to Celerity (Reply #96)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:36 AM

137. Thanks...you either have a Republic and free speech for all or you end up with one for none.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:02 AM

88. I've only seen Canadian flags.

My friend who lives near Ottawa says she never seen so many Canadian flags.

If thereís a tfg flag in the bunch, itís in a minority.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:47 AM

101. This is a weird argument. These guys are breaking multiple laws. When union workers

strike, except in specialized circumstances, they do not break the law.

I am all for protest. If this was about the right to protest, I would be fighting for their right to do it.

But this is not protest. Or it is more than a protest. In addition to legal protesting, these guys are breaking tons of noise and traffic laws and are making life hell for thousands

I have no problem with them protesting. I also have no problem with them facing the standing legal consequences for the laws they are breaking.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #101)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:57 AM

106. Some keep hearing

words that I've never said.
I never said they shouldn't be held accountable by law or any that they may be breaking, because they should. They even risk losing their jobs, just like one would if he were a union striker. I'm sure a lot of them will when this is over.
My argument is that when we suggest confiscating their private property, taking away their given right to make a living, and insisting that they just shut up is something I simply will not promote or get behind in any way.

If these guys just kept driving in circles around the city, thousands of them, that wouldn't be breaking any laws. The result would be the same, the city would be effectively shut down and unable to function. Would your opinion change then?
And it is indeed a protest, a rather massive one.

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Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #106)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:00 AM

107. If you think I heard words you never said, I apologize.

Yes, actually. If they protested in the way you describe, if they did not break standing laws, I would support their right to it.

But that isn't what they are doing.

However, at the base, we may simply be talking past each other and agreeing on substance.


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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #101)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:21 AM

117. So are you prepared for this standard to be used in all protests?

When protesters block a road or building entrance they should be immediately arrested, when they break noise laws and curfews they should all be rounded up because they are breaking the law, this is what you are saying.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #117)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:27 AM

123. Immediately? No. Two weeks in? OK. Rounded up? No. Fined, as the standing

law requires? Yes.

Especially if they, in a sustained and prolonged way, are violating the rights of the people who live in the area, many of whom have been harassed and accosted, and many of whose homes have been made unlivable, and many of whose livelihoods have been endangered.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:23 AM

118. The Trucker have a right to think as they choose. This is America...if they break laws. I

would assume there would be consequences...but you can't use political views you disagree with ( no matter how malignant we think they are) in order to 'weed out right wing truckers' as some have suggested. NO.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:15 AM

113. They are likely breaking some law

Blocking a bridge will most likely be against some law or ordinance. Egads!

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Response to treestar (Reply #113)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM

126. I can think of some marches and protests widely supported on DU that blocked interstates and bridges

Some of them very recent from the last few years.

People need to be careful what they wish for. The idea that laws, mass arrests and confiscation of property cannot be used against the next protest cause we support are in for a rude awakening.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #126)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:31 AM

129. +100. nt

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #126)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:32 AM

130. When was that?

I don't recall one.

The right wingers blocking the freeway in LA over that movie about Jesus was one I recall.

It's a stupid idea. Some ambulance might need that road. No matter which side. If the left did it, it's bad too.

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Response to treestar (Reply #130)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:36 AM

135. No, there were some that blocked roads and bridges last year. But they were very short-lived.

This is going into a third week now. It's a very different circumstance, and there is a question of the rights of the residents of the area who are being harassed and whose homes have been made unlivable for an extended period of time.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #135)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 01:29 PM

152. Remember what happened in Seattle and certain portions of Portland?

Because shutting down areas in those places did get support.

Occupy also closed down many places in its hey day. I remember what a pain in the ass that was for me for awhile, because the main local protest was right where I worked.

Memories are very short.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #152)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 01:44 PM

153. Did they blare ear splitting noise 24 hours for weeks?

Did they prevent people from getting medical care?

Did they storm soup kitchens, terrorize their workers and steal their food?

Did they rip masks from the faces of passersby? Did they harass the people in the neighborhoods who were minding their business?

My memory may be short, because I remember nothing like that. And I too walked by an Occupy site during my daily travels back in the day. I never felt danger or, indeed, anything but encouraged.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #153)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 02:44 PM

156. See, this is the problem with information bubbles

The bad parts of the protests we agree with aren't posted multiple times all over the place. So people think, "There were barely any problems!"

And I'll definitely not be doing that here today, because we both know how it'd go.

Suffice to say, it wasn't always smooth sailing or pleasant for the people who lived around various incidents.

Hey, I disagree with these protests. But the double standards are wide and deep, and the authoritarian impulse at the heart of reactions and responses are disturbing. Watching the fine parsing being done is kind of interesting. "Why is this part bad when they do it, but it's ok for us?" "Well, you see, my rationale all started when Phyllis went to the grocery store . . ."

As someone from the outside (a Democrat, but a nonpartisan), I don't think people realize what it looks like.

Ridiculous. It looks ridiculous. And flatly hypocritical.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #156)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 04:21 PM

157. Sorry. I do see differences and that's not information bubble.

If you feel that's hypocritical, so be it.

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Response to treestar (Reply #113)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 01:26 PM

151. No one said they weren't

If they are arrested or fined for breaking the law, that will be the cost of civil disobedience. I am not defending their opinions or advocating they be free from the consequences of breaking the law. As near as I can tell, no one here is advocating for that.

However, the retributive fantasies and all kinds of notions of what the Canadian government, military, and even private citizens do in revenge for it are chock full of the authoritarian impulse.

Sorry. I'm going to call it out when I see it. And this stuff has been popping up like daisies.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:27 PM

13. Dude. WTF?

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:50 PM

22. Ditto.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:49 PM

21. If you want a job

First you must show you are a member of the party and in good standing.

Sounds familiar somehow 🤔

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:24 AM

119. I never expected to see such a post here. And sadly, you are correct.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:51 PM

23. Do you advocate that people should be asked their political views in a job interview?

Because if so, that is fucking scary.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:23 PM

33. No, but it actually is legal to do so.

But no.

This is more about not handing control of our supply chain to wing nuts who hold it hostage.

We need more diversity in such an important role.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:09 AM

41. "our supply chain" do you even hear...nevermind n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:25 AM

120. The trains must run on time...seriously f'd up.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:35 AM

132. That's our food and medicine.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:09 AM

52. Absolutely not. That is madness.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:37 AM

73. Then you know nothing about truck drivers,

and this is coming from a truck driver.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #73)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:26 AM

121. Thanks for getting us what we need...this entire argument is ridiculous. People have a right

to believe as they choose.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #121)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:27 AM

122. +100. nt

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:47 PM

28. This fuckin place

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:07 AM

40. +1

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 05:59 AM

45. +1.

You canít defeat authoritarianism with authoritarianism.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:09 AM

53. Exactly correct...

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:54 AM

104. Lol. Yep.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:56 AM

105. +100. nt

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:12 PM

31. Maybe by bringing back the fairness doctrine?

To counter the nonstop conservative talk radio?

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Response to Iris (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:20 PM

32. Yea I don't know why everyone is jumping to such fascist conclusions

Iím talking about influencing a little a balance and diversity.

I suspect you are onto something about talk radios influence.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:13 AM

56. That is a hard... HELL NO from me. You don't gain diversity by shutting down political discourse.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:31 AM

58. But is that what it is when it's just one side constantly blathering on and on

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Response to Iris (Reply #58)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:28 AM

125. That doesn't mean, we get to take away their right to free speech...we need to develop our own

mechanisms to spread our message...and make the message appealing as well to as many folks as we can. You can't have free speech only for speech you agree with. It won't work.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #125)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:47 AM

147. I have said nothing about limiting free speech here. Quite the opposite.

Last edited Fri Feb 11, 2022, 04:16 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:36 AM

136. Or shutting down ports.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #136)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:40 AM

142. Those who engage in illegal activity can likely will be arrested...that has nothing to do with

the idea of 'getting right-wing truck drivers out of truck driving.' My son will be laid off next week... can't get car parts so this really pissed me off but not enough to toss our freedoms protected in our constitution away.

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Response to Iris (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:11 AM

54. That is not going to happen. The courts will never allow it. So we need to have some media

that supports us.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:32 AM

59. We've had that. It didn't work. Air America.

So maybe my thought is unrealistic after all.

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Response to Iris (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM

127. And why did it fail? And that still is no reason to allow free speech to be done away with...sorry.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:46 AM

146. How does a Fairness Doctrine do away with free speech?

The airways are not "owned" so how does requiring alternate voices eliminate free speech?

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:31 AM

43. No and good thing there isn't. Any tool of political repression that might work for you..

...will inevitably be used against you.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 05:21 AM

44. They're the ones willing to take the jobs and do the work

nothing stopping the liberals from getting into the trucking business if they want to do it. 🤔

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:55 AM

50. Sure, replace the driver with technology

automation and self driving technology is coming and will cost a lot of truckers their jobs

Which will be messy. If they're going nuts over having to get poked by a needle, imagine what they'll do when their industry is gutted

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Response to Amishman (Reply #50)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:40 AM

74. Yeah, thanks for your post.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:11 AM

55. That is a horrible and terrifying idea

You want hive brain assimilation and the banishment of people you don't like?

By what authority?

Maybe re-education camps and forced labor?

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:14 AM

57. I agree completely.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:53 AM

61. Yes. Reaction without thinking, of course.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:37 AM

60. Yes, replace all right-wing am radio stations with left-wing am radio stations.

That would take some rich progressives.

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Response to Emile (Reply #60)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:57 AM

63. No.

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Response to Emile (Reply #60)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:01 AM

64. :) They'd have to be very rich because no one would listen to them.

Not enough to make them economically viable anyway. It'd be a good thing, though, if liberals (they're all progressive too) rescued public radio from the rich RWers who've taken much of it over and subverted it.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:05 AM

65. You ever spent 24 hrs a day n an 18 wheeler? I have!

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Response to Emile (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:12 AM

67. No, but I hope you liked it. I could I think, all else

making it a good choice. And in my fantasy all the Repub pols unfit for office would also.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:15 AM

68. . .

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Response to Emile (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:44 AM

75. I have and still do and most modern Semi's are equipped with satellite radio,

alot of them, including both of my trucks, are also equipped with satellite tv, so it's not just AM radio any more, this isn't the 70's, the 80's etc.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #75)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:48 AM

80. Yeah, but you're not a slip seating company driver.

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Response to Emile (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:57 AM

84. No, I'm not, but that doesn't change the fact,

that there are far more alternatives now then back in the day, like live steaming music, memory sticks with hundreds or thousands of songs recorded, etc, even in company trucks, these are available through personal devices that plug into the trucks electrical system.

When was the last time you were driving a semi if you don't mind my asking?

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #84)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:02 AM

86. I retired 10 years ago. I had to download mp3 pod casts

and burn them on a mp3 CD to listen to left wing radio! It sucks that you have to download and put on a memory stick just to listen to our side.

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Response to Emile (Reply #86)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:07 AM

91. ...

It sucks that you have to download and put on a memory stick just to listen to our side.


I agree, but it is an alternative to listening to the garbage on AM radio.

Even 10 years ago, it was far different than it is today.

Thanks for the conversation and take care retired Road Warrior.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #91)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:31 AM

128. I spent 35 years hauling explosives and munitions under contract to the government

I became addicted to old radio shows like Jack Benny and The Shadow, there are plenty of alternatives for drivers these days to AM talk radio.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #128)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:35 AM

134. That is exactly my point,

and thank you for doing such a dangerous job, I won't haul any HazMat material, it's not worth the hassle to me, those placards on the side of the trailer announcing the presence of explosives just invites DOT to pull you over and do an up your ass inspection, no thanks, there are plenty of good loads to be had that aren't HazMat.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #134)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:42 AM

144. DOT was never a problem

It paid great and I was able to retire at 57 with over 1.5 million accident free miles. I know it made some people nervous but it was really all I ever did so it was just work to me.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #144)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:46 AM

145. Congratulations on a full and successful career,

I'm retired also from the military, after my wife passed, I decided to sell the house, buy a truck and the rest is history, I love the nomadic lifestyle, but I'm only going to do this for a few more years, then I'll sell the business and fully retire.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #128)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:39 AM

141. I did that too. I have every episode of Gunsmoke, The Whistler, etc etc

along with probably two or three hundred audio books! Anything but right-wing am radio. It would still be nice to have our fair share of progressive am radio stations.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:07 AM

66. Make them do a reading and writing test.

That should weed them all out.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:50 AM

81. JFC!!!!

What makes you think that truck drivers, even R leaning truck drivers are uneducated?

My real life experience is far different than what you're alluding to, most truck drivers I know, company and independent, are educated and are quite versed in reading and writing.

I get sick and tired of the stereotyping of truck drivers.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #81)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:33 AM

97. Are you a republican trucker ?

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #97)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:43 AM

99. NO,

but I know a hell of a lot of company and independent drivers who are R leaning and each and every one of them that I know have denounced the Canadian drivers and they would refuse to participate in such nonsense, especially owner/operators as it would cost them money and time.

We have a saying in the industry, if the wheels ain't turning, this truck ain't earning, words the vast majority of drivers abide by.

So take your stereotyping of truck drivers and place them where the sun don't shine.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #99)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:50 AM

102. Then take it as a joke its meant to be

directed at the morons blockading in Ottawa and their sprung up copycats

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #102)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:54 AM

103. It sure didn't come off like a joke,

but I'll take your word for it, but my point stands that there is an unfair stereotyping of truck drivers as uneducated morons who can't get another job because they're too stupid to get an education, well, that hasn't been my real life experience no matter what political view they hold.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #103)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:09 AM

108. Up to 90% Of Canadian truckers are vaccinated, its probably very similar here.

My joke was squarely aimed at the right wing douchebags who want to start blockages over the vaccine, a small minority who clearly dont represent the industry.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #108)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:12 AM

110. Fair enough,

but you should have stated that, your joke came off different and I took umbrage at that, unfairly, being a truck driver.

I have to go to work now so have a great day.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:07 AM

90. Wow, prejudge much?

Canít believe Iím reading this here.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:11 AM

94. I take it you're talking about the REPUBLICAN DRIVERS?

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Response to Emile (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:10 AM

109. Yes , see above

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #109)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:13 AM

111. +1

I figured that when you posted it. I saw you were under attack and thought I would help.

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Response to Emile (Reply #111)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:28 AM

124. Thanks

much appreciated

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:17 AM

114. The fact that some on our side would consider such an action makes me fear for our Republic.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #114)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:20 AM

115. And for my 5,000th post,

I agree with you 100%.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #115)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:34 AM

131. Congrats on you 5,000th post...I am honored that it was posted to me...a star for thee!

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #131)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:37 AM

140. I was holding off until the right post to reply too,

and yours was the perfect one.
Thank you for the heart, it is greatly appreciated.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #140)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:34 PM

159. Congrats and you got a "Good Day DU" milestones nod from EarlG for that!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #159)

Sun Feb 13, 2022, 10:07 AM

160. Very cool.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:48 AM

79. Get them all to gather in one place and commit crimes.

Then arrest them and confiscate their trucks.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #79)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:56 AM

83. Which is basically what is happening except they still have their trucks...

but you break enough traffic laws, you lose your right to drive.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #83)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:07 AM

89. Exactly!

So, it's time to implement the next step.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:08 AM

92. This thread well illustrates how authoritarianism ...

Ö can arise from any point on the political spectrum. Itís about accumulating power and control, and crushing dissent, not ideology. Some of the comments here Ö? Yikes.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #92)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:11 AM

93. IKR?

It makes me want to do this: while my brain is doing this:

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:35 AM

133. How is this different than RWers saying "How do we get liberals out of teaching?"

I'm baffled by DU sometimes.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #133)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:37 AM

138. Well they are wrong

And we are not.

That's the big difference.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #138)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:42 AM

143. No, you and I and most of DU agrees that they are wrong,

but unfortunately, a lot of people think they are right, however stupid that is.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #138)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:55 AM

148. If you are talking about your hot take that conservatives shouldn't be truckers,

sorry, you are wrong. Requiring a political leaning for a job is just silly.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:57 AM

149. Can't they

I dunno. Be fired if they're engaging in unlawful forms of protest?

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:00 PM

158. Sure, you could start by applying for the job.

 

There is a shortage of drivers, even you might get hired.

Just be sure to act stupid and uneducated in the interview.

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