DeJoy is driving the USPS into the ground

[bermudat]

Why can't DeJoy be removed!!
This morning at the Jacksonville Beach Post Office there were no stamps (STAMPS?!?), no custom forms or APO forms. I feel this is being allowed to drive the USPS into the ground until they turn it over to Fedex. The worst is seeing what they are up to and being helpless to prevent it from happening

[Boomerproud]

1. Yes, why can't he?

[left-of-center2012]

8. This has been answered a million times already on DU

I'm posting now on my phone or I would provide you with some links.

You'd get the answers if you asked in the DU search box.

[left-of-center2012]

2. I buy my stamps online

Just go to the USPS website.
They've got a wide variety in all price ranges and they show up in a couple days in your mailbox.

You can get other forms online as well.

[Tree Lady]

4. During December when online stamps

From them were either out or took too long to get my mother asked me to send her Christmas stamps. I live out of state from her, found some on etsy and only had to pay a dollar more. Now that they sell forever stamps they are around.

[left-of-center2012]

7. Glad you had a good experience

There are warnings however about buying postage stamps online from places other than the post office.

Some places will charge you a large excess amount over the cost of the stamps.

Ordering from the post office also gets you a dollar extra charge.
I guess that's handling, etc.

[Tree Lady]

13. I have ordered from them before

But they were out of Christmas ones and reviews were good so I took a chance. Told mom she has to give me more time in future. Next November I will ask her and go to post office and send to her. I put it on my calendar not to forget

[left-of-center2012]

25. Years ago, mid-1980's

I was inline at the post office.
A woman ahead of me was loudly complaining about the choices available in Christmas stamps.

The clerk told her the one with Madonna were popular and she thought it was the singer
as opposed to 'Madonna with child'.

[CrispyQ]

3. Here's an article that explains it.

Why Biden Can’t Fire Postmaster General Louis DeJoy
Trying to force DeJoy out could lead to constitutional chaos.
BY AARON MAK AND MARK JOSEPH STERN
FEB 08, 20216:07 PM

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/biden-cannot-fire-usps-louis-dejoy.html

snip...

If DeJoy served at the pleasure of the president, Biden surely would’ve fired him on Day One. But he doesn’t. The problem, ironically, originates from Congress’ desire to insulate USPS from politics. For most of American history, the Postal Service played an integral role in the spoils system, and postmaster general was a plum post for an ally of the president. In 1970, Congress overhauled the structure of the Postal Service to end this sordid tradition of patronage by giving the agency substantial independence. To oversee USPS’s activities, Congress established a nine-member board of governors who are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. No more than five members of the board may belong to the same political party. Once confirmed to the board, governors can only be removed by the president “for cause”; that means their jobs are safe unless the president can show that they engaged in malfeasance or extreme neglect of duty. The board of governors, in turn, selects the postmaster general, who is not subject to Senate approval. And once appointed, the postmaster general can only be removed by the board, though it need not justify its decision.

There's quite a bit more explanation at the link.

[helpisontheway]

6. I thought Biden replaced some board members so they could remove Dejoy. Nt

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

9. It would appear that DeJoy still maintains enough support on the board despite that

They recently elected a new Chairperson for the board, its a Republican, and he was elected unanimously. Unsurprisingly, the new chairperson fully supports DeJoy, so his removal is unlikely. If the board wanted to remove DeJoy, I doubt they would have unanimously elected one of his supporters as chairperson.

[Tree Lady]

15. This is very disappointing

I had to delete 4 things I started to say because it came out too negative about Joe. Love him but just like all of us he has his weaknesses.

I just thought of something do you you think they could have made a deal with republicans that they would back that post office bill a bunch just voted for to save post office if they kept DeJoy and put in republican on board??

[bermudat]

29. Thank you, that was helpful

[BlueJac]

5. So there are two assholes that are untouchable!

DeJoy and his buddy Trump. What kind of shit is that? Trump did what ever he wanted at all times.

[brooklynite]

10. Why do people imagine that, if Dejoy goes, THEIR local post office will run better.

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[MiniMe]

12. Because DeJoy destroyed a lot of equipment

That is a main reason that there are so many problems

[stopdiggin]

17. I don't think that is quite accurate.

The system had a lot of equipment that was redundant or not being fully utilized, and (despite the howls of complaint) - a lot of what was dismantled was done after a decent amount of study, and with some solid reasoning and facts behind it.

[MiniMe]

19. I think one of his businesses would benefit from the post office going under

From Wiki:

Prior to the appointment, he was the founder and CEO of the logistics and freight company New Breed Logistics and was a major Republican Party donor and fundraiser. DeJoy is the first postmaster in two decades without prior experience in the USPS.[2] Controversially,[3] his companies still hold active service contracts with the USPS.

DeJoy did not go through the normal vetting process for Postmaster General; two separate search firms were used by the USPS board, and neither firm mentioned DeJoy in their list of candidates.

While he divested shares in UPS and Amazon before taking on his role, DeJoy drew scrutiny for not divesting from his $30–$75 million equity stake in XPO, a subcontractor for USPS. Under his tenure as Postmaster General, USPS has increased its business with XPO.[32] Additionally, when DeJoy sold his Amazon shares, he purchased stock options in Amazon that represent between 20 and 100% of his prior holdings.

DeJoy is the first postmaster in two decades without prior experience in the United States Postal Service.[2] Upon assuming office on June 16, 2020, he began taking measures such as banning overtime and extra trips to deliver mail, purportedly to reduce costs. He did not communicate the reasons for such changes within the organization,[16] and such measures also resulted in slowing of the mail service.[35][36][37] Congressional Democrats called for the measures to be rolled back.[38] More than 600 high-speed mail sorting machines were scheduled to be dismantled and removed from postal facilities,[39] raising concerns that mailed ballots for the November 3 election might not reach election offices on time.[40] Mail collection boxes were removed from the streets in many cities; after photos of boxes being removed were spread on social media, a postal service spokesman said they were being moved to higher traffic areas but that the removals would stop until after the election.

[stopdiggin]

23. all of this is true (and familiar)

And some of it is to DeJoy's discredit ('overtime', 'delivery cutbacks'). While some of it ('sorting machines', 'mail boxes'), while enjoying considerable hullabaloo on the internet and DU - is probably not.

[brooklynite]

24. The sorting equipment in question was in major postal facilities...

...not the Jacksonville Beach post office.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1348+Beach+Blvd,+Jacksonville+Beach,+FL+32250/@30.2870628,-81.4036022,3a,75y,255.57h,92.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s61FSJD-W3FhKhtqW8Uw8Hw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e449a1bb2d4fcf:0xced8c291a93735c6!8m2!3d30.2871319!4d-81.4040565

[stopdiggin]

14. I think removing DeJoy would be beneficial

(because I think he's been inept and a bumbler). But what a lot of people seem to completely miss is that the Post Office has other (structural) issues - long proceeding DeJoy - and, additionally, political forces (to a certain extent bipartisan) that have been pushing for getting USPS on 'solid financial ground' (meaning cost cutting and restructuring) for quite some period of time. All of which is to say that DeJoy - while perhaps a hatchet man and hack) is essentially doing what a lot of the board (and political backers) think they were put in place to do.

[former9thward]

18. The main structural issue is the internet.

And that is not going away. People use the internet to order things and pay bills and no longer need the services of the post office. I can't think of anything I have received in the mail in the last 3 or 4 months that I needed. They can fire DeJoy a hundred times and that won't change how society operates now.

[stopdiggin]

21. yep. exactly right.

the USPS has to evolve to a different playing field (as does every institution). Which is NOT to say that DeJoy (the bumbling hack) is the person to do so.

(On the other hand - a lot of business, and other related infrastructure (billing, legal notice, voting?), is predicated on having a reliable postal system. A missing or non-functioning system would present big problems, and shouldn't be discounted.)

[ProfessorGAC]

11. Sorry, But No

Is he a buffoon? Yes.
Is he an incompetent upper management type? Yes. (True for years. That's why XPO showed him the door the moment they bought his company.)
Is he doing things to "streamline" that make no sense? Yes.
But, he's not going to run it into the ground. Despite his utter lack of business acumen.

[FakeNoose]

16. In Pittsburgh we can buy postage stamps in some of the larger grocery stores

Also there are vending machines that sell stamps, at least there used to be. You should be able to order them online directly from USPS and pay by credit card, and the mailman delivers them to your door.

All three of these options would be independent of your small local post office that may not be well-managed. I'm not sure if it's DeJoy's fault, he probably has no interest in the local post office operations.

[XanaDUer2]

20. That's my old post office nt

[Hekate]

22. We all share your frustration and disgust, believe me

Alternate places to get stamps have been mentioned. We started buying ours at Costco years ago, just because it’s convenient.

[Blue Owl]

26. Simple math: If tRump appointed DeJoy, he is corrupt AF

Period. Dump only appoints toilet licking toadies.

[fescuerescue]

27. IT's crazy that Trump was allowed to hand pick Dejoy, but Biden isn't allowed to fire him

But Biden isn't allowed to fire him.

[brooklynite]

28. Trump DIDN'T appoint DeJoy. The Postal Board of Governors did.

That's why only the PBG can dismiss him.

[fescuerescue]

30. Pretty sure Trump is responsible for this mess

[brooklynite]

31. It doesn't matter if he's responsible...

Yes, he may have recommended DeJoy, but the Postal Board hired him and only they can fire him.