Just WOW...Thank you JHB for posting this

[Beachnutt]

Nato vs Russia video

[BSdetect]

1. Modern war between these two powers would be chaotic. So much firepower.

[Beachnutt]

2. Hey pooty

you still feelin froggy bro ?

[Zorro]

3. Prepare for cyber warfare

Russia will fuck up our SCADA systems and a few other things, and you're going to hear Fox News carry their water 24/7. Watch the stock market sink like a stone and hear the Republicans howl.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

[GoCubsGo]

5. Two can play at that game.

We can fuck up Russia even worse, and they know it. We're at least as capable when it comes to cyber warfare. And, that's not including our ability to cut off Putin's and his other oligarch buddies' bank accounts. It also doesn't include sanctions, which would devastate Russia's economy.

[Zorro]

7. Yes we can

but things could escalate rapidly, but the pressure from the Republicans and Fox News to stand down and capitulate would be enormous.

[GoCubsGo]

4. That doesn't include Ukraine's military, either.

I understand they have a fairly substantial military of their own.

As for the nukes, Russia may have thousands more, but it only takes a relative few of them to blow up the whole damn world. Overkill doesn't mean much here.

[Bayard]

6. This one,

Worries me. We know Putin's ego is as gigantic as TFG's. I can see him pulling that trigger if it looks like he's going to lose.

[PatSeg]

26. Oh, I hadn't thought of that

The video is a little reassuring except for the nuclear weapons. Putin can never be trusted.

[Captain Zero]

32. Nuclear weapons count doesn't matter, one or two do it.

nt

[PatSeg]

35. Yes, sadly that is true

[Martin Eden]

8. The actual fighting would be Russia vs Ukraine

What is the point of listing the military assets of NATO vs Russia?

Also, do the NATO numbers include all US forces which are deployed elsewhere around the world?

[Hortensis]

18. :) Well, it does help explain why Ukraine instead of Germany.

Good question. No idea of course, but my guess would be that if they could theoretically be used...

Not mentioned is the military advantage of one central authoritarian government with semi-totalitarian powers versus an alliance made up mostly of democracies handicapped by the will of the people, which is virtually always not to pour their money and blood into protecting someone else's country.

We saw how committed to mutual protection the Republican base was under tRump in the U.S., as well as Russia's apologists on the left seemingly more concerned about protecting its hegemonic "rights" over nearly two dozen nearby nations.

[keithbvadu2]

9. Russia is one unified dog. NATO is herding cats.

America is the majority of NATO all by itself.

[housecat]

17. Dogs growl and bark. Cats quietly stalk

[wnylib]

10. So the obvious question is

What does Putin hope or expect to accomplish?

He is outdone in military capacity, so he will use other tactics. Cyber attacks, disruptive chaos like trucker demonstrations, and disinformation.

[Wild blueberry]

11. My hope is that most of Pooty's money is stashed overseas and able to be frozen

if he pulls crap.
That may, and you'll excuse the expression, trump his ego.

[FakeNoose]

22. Pootie's cookie jars may not be frozen yet

... however SEVERAL of his oligarch buddies have been frozen in Western countries, or they're scared they will be frozen. It's even happening here in the the US now. The oligarchs really, really don't want that to happen and it's one of the main reasons why they played ball with Chump. We need more teeth in the Magnitzky law.

[miffelplix]

12. Meaningless Comparison

Comparing forces by numbers is meaningless. It is the quality of the weapons, the training of the troops, how they are deployed and led that are determinant.

[calimary]

27. Welcome to DU, miffelplix!

Good point. Sounds like you know this turf.

[Sherman A1]

36. Precisely

[treestar]

42. True. North Korea has the largest army

or one of the larger ones, anyway.

But it now tech-driven.

[liberalla]

13. I did not realize that NATO was militarily superior to Russia in almost every way.

While I REALLY hope open conflict/warfare is avoided, I'm glad NATO is as well equipped as they are. What would need to happen for NATO to get involved? It's supposed to be just Ukraine fighting Russia, right?

Are these figures (in the video) accurate?

[TygrBright]

14. The issue is less likely to be "how many" than "where are they" and...

..."how quickly can they be usefully deployed."

One reason Biden is exposing what's known/analyzed of Russia's deployments and possible attack timelines is to throw as many spanners in the Russian works as possible.

Right now Putin has one major advantage - a lot of military assets in place for immediate deployment to target areas the Russian military has chosen.

Letting them know we know also intimates to them that we are deploying or preparing to deploy remote-response power as quickly as possible where they are now. And we have serious remote response power. You'll notice that wasn't included in the video listing.

We have much less flexibility in deployment of battle area response, and that keeps the issue in real doubt.

strategically,
Bright

[cbabe]

15. It's been suggested Putin has Parkinson's. Some

symptoms include dementia and psychosis.

Add to his massive ego and ex-kgb training, he has become his own god King.

The only way to stop someone like that is to stop them.

[erronis]

16. It's the supply chain, just as Napoleon, Hitler, the Japanese learned

A war in Russia's back yard would not have as many issues with supply unless NATO and the Ukraine decide to be extremely aggressive in their taking out of facilities (roads, bridges, railroads, airports.)

The russians aren't (yet) looking at extending their territory much beyond their "break-away" regions in neighboring countries. That would seem to be a logical follow-on if they are successful in these first operations.

Still, NATO will probably coalesce on a dangerous threat. The production capabilities of western Europe, the US and allies, and other parts of the world alarmed by Putin's antics will far surpass what russia can achieve.

Nuclear can make this whole situation a lot harder to figure out. Why would Putin risk his country (and eventually his own life) for such an event? He seems to like the trappings of a good life....

[Hekate]

19. KnR for later

[Richard D]

20. IDK . . .

. . . how much of this is in the USA? Long way to Ukraine.

[Gaugamela]

21. Not sure why this is "Just WOW", unless the point of the video

is that Russia is so outnumbered that Putin might resort to using nukes. But if that’s the point then “Just WOW” kind of misses the mark.

This looks like militarism porn to me. It reminds me of the obscene jingoism and media complicity in the build up to the US invasion of Iraq.

[Curtis]

24. You nailed it

I'm sickened by the amount of Democrats, especially on Twitter and a few here, who thump their chests at videos like this one. As Biden said, the US and Russia shooting at each other will result in a world war. Does anyone stop and think about the human, mostly civilian, toll to such a conflict? And, anyone who doesn't believe nukes would end up being used by the losing side to save face or take everyone down with them is insane and as out of touch with reality as any QAnon member.

And on edit, those who thump their chest at Russia right now miss a HUGE issue of hypocrisy. Look at what the US has done and is still doing in Latin America. How many nations have we invaded there, installed friendly murderous right wing juntas and the amount of death and theft of treasure all in the name of hemispherical hegemony?

[NutmegYankee]

25. Live free or Die.

It's not just a motto, it's a creed. "I would rather die standing than live on my knees" -Emiliano Zapata

[Curtis]

34. And

That is such a Republican screed at that

[NutmegYankee]

38. It is a creed of liberalism.

Don’t let the fascists take it.

[Curtis]

39. Too late

Along with Freedom fries and all the other screeds along those jingoistic lines, the GOP beat them into the ground during the run up to the unnecessary war in Iraq

[NutmegYankee]

43. Even Adolph Hitler used the word freedom 4 times in his first speech as Chancellor.

We all know what the right actually stands for. Fight back and reclaim what is ours!

[jimfields33]

28. Lol. Panama was it and that lasted a weekend.

[Curtis]

33. You have a missed perception of history

The US has intervened or invaded countries of Latin America at least 40 times since the end of the 19th Century. We've installed dictators, over throwing democratically elected leaders, in Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Cuba, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Paraguay and yes, even Panama. We've continued to try to toss out the Castros in Cuba, the former and current regime in Venezuela. We've been involved in El Salvador, Grenada, Haiti and so many more countries there.

Maybe learn a little history before making a statement that it was just one country.

And, this ignores our ventures in Asia and the ME and all the dictators we installed all around the world because they were OUR dictators.

[jimfields33]

40. End of the 19th century? Good grief you are going back 200 years.

Sheesh. I guess you really wanted to point out anything to get the point across. I shutter to think of you going back 300 years.

[Curtis]

41. I see you are as proficient at Math as you are History

The end of the 19th Century was exactly 122 years ago. Every one of my examples happened in the 20th Century (which just ended 22 years ago). And, most of those happened AFTER 1950.

[Midnight Writer]

23. Willingness to sacrifice people in a war?

[IcyPeas]

29. well they have more nukes... so there's that.

[randr]

30. A good defense

Is a good offense.

[Otto_Harper]

31. Instead of just comparing hardware counts that don't mean all that much

lets see if someone can post something like the number of A-10 Warthogs which are in-repair, crewed, fueled, loaded and within flying distance of the first anticipated border crossing point by the Soviets. (Yes, I used that word). Basically, the same drill that we thought we would need to use in the Fulda Gap.

[marie999]

37. Forgot one item. US tactical nuclear weapons in Europe, 100,

Russian tactical nuclear weapons 3,000-6,000.

[William769]

44. That looks good & all but

France is not part of the unified command structure & then you have Germany not willing to do anything.