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Remember, international sanctions ENDED the Cold War without a nuke being fired. (Original Post) Imallin4Joe Feb 2022 OP
And why are you saying this? brooklynite Feb 2022 #1
My point is that sanctions have the power to avoid war. Imallin4Joe Feb 2022 #3
I seem to recall that there was an arms race involved, and a lot of people got drafted. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2022 #2
Arms race, yes. Imallin4Joe Feb 2022 #5
Russia didn't provide most of Europe's natural gas back then, the calculus is different today (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2022 #4
Russia's economy might crash if Putin shut off the gas flow. Imallin4Joe Feb 2022 #6
I understood it to be more complicated than that. KentuckyWoman Feb 2022 #7
Bullshit. Xolodno Feb 2022 #8
Germany's chancellor is warning Putin of immediate sanctions, others will follow PortTack Feb 2022 #9

brooklynite

(94,302 posts)
1. And why are you saying this?
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 04:12 PM
Feb 2022

Are you under the assumption that anyone would be advocating military action (much less a "nuke being fired"?)

Imallin4Joe

(752 posts)
3. My point is that sanctions have the power to avoid war.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 04:16 PM
Feb 2022

Without a shot being fired.

A peacenik like me prefers negotiation over bloodshed, anyday.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,283 posts)
2. I seem to recall that there was an arms race involved, and a lot of people got drafted.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 04:15 PM
Feb 2022

There were some near-confrontations, in Berlin and Cuba.

Could I be mistaken?

Imallin4Joe

(752 posts)
5. Arms race, yes.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 04:22 PM
Feb 2022

The Soviet Union crumbled due to international sanctions and trade boycotts, a costly arms race with the USA, and a costly war with Afghanistan.

JFK's spine ended the Cuba crisis.

Imallin4Joe

(752 posts)
6. Russia's economy might crash if Putin shut off the gas flow.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 04:27 PM
Feb 2022

Vlad knows this. He doesn't have the hand that he is trying to show to the world.

Putin is bluffing.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
7. I understood it to be more complicated than that.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 04:41 PM
Feb 2022

The sanctions were an important tool but it was also the environment in which they were used at the time. Remember the USSR was more or less bankrupted by Afghanistan War. The mismanagement within the USSR itself. They simply fell apart.

I have no idea if my understanding is correct. I only know what the newspapers and news magazines were reporting at the time.

Xolodno

(6,383 posts)
8. Bullshit.
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 05:11 PM
Feb 2022

Cuba and Iran continue to laugh. And Libya collapsed AFTER sanctions were lifted.

What killed the USSR was corruption, cost of maintaining the empire (why I don't believe the junk that Putin wants to re-create it, it helped cause the fall of the USSR and Tsar) and whole laundry list of factors. There was no silver bullet. And while the free world went through depressions, recessions, etc. The USSR was largely unfazed.

Ironically it was the USSR's move towards more free market reforms when it fell apart, first a coup by hardliners then a coup led by Yelstin.

PortTack

(32,691 posts)
9. Germany's chancellor is warning Putin of immediate sanctions, others will follow
Sun Feb 13, 2022, 06:24 PM
Feb 2022

And you are right, sanctions do work. The Russian economy is still struggling from the 2014 sanctions.

The Cuba and Iran sanctions really don’t compare. Not big trading countries or world powers

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