Who is/are the Democratic outsider/s to run for president?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

I don't see a clear frontrunner should Biden not run. And seeing how politicians and lawyers are viewed poorly, is there a great candidate we aren't thinking about?

Mainly, who comprise the future leaders of our party and the country? We're more than a social movement and civil rights defenders, which is how we are portrayed on the right. We govern so far superiorly than the right who seem today to only want constraints removed from white collar criminals. That and wanting everyone armed to the teeth.

I know there have to be many who would be great. Somebody not Michael Bloomberg or Mario Cuomo - the real outsider. Al Franken? Nah...

[DanieRains]

1. Too Bad Vindmen Wasn't Born Here

[Mary in S. Carolina]

17. I really like him too

He can still run for Congress!!

[Ocelot II]

2. What's wrong with Kamala Harris?

[Brainfodder]

4. My 1st thought as well!

[left-of-center2012]

11. What are her latest poll numbers ?

I think she would have a lot of opponents in a Democratic primary.
How did she do in the 2020 Democratic primaries?

[uponit7771]

55. Anyone running against Harris in the primary would NEVER EVER get past SC, come on people

... those amount of black women ***ALONE*** would disqualify whomever runs against her.

fuck

[left-of-center2012]

56. Ok

That's one state.

[uponit7771]

58. Whomever doesn't get out of SC with black women doesn't get the national black vote ...

... for the last 20 years including Obama in 08.

That isn't going to change any time soon

Clyburn knew he had power at that time because of history and the demographics of the democratic party in SC.

Bypassing Harris is needlessly tearing the party apart because of some people feel privileged

[left-of-center2012]

60. Whatever

[uponit7771]

61. "whatever" isn't a factual argument, people want to support this misogynist racist shit overlooking

... Harris like she's not there but I'm calling out and if they don't like it; whatever

[left-of-center2012]

62. Okie dokie smokey

[Bettie]

15. I ask that every time and there's always

an excuse.

Then, a white man that they'd prefer.

So, I guess she's at the intersection of Black and Female and they don't like either.

You know: "I'd be open to a woman, but not THAT women!"

I don't believe we'll ever have a woman as president. Too much misogyny.

[Ocelot II]

18. Sadly, I think you're right.

[brooklynite]

46. So people needed an excuse to not vote for Harris in the 2020 Primary?

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I voted for another candidate because her campaign was uninspiring.

[Bettie]

47. Weird that it is the women who are always "uninspiring"

we'll never have a woman as president. This country will never allow it.

[brooklynite]

57. I don't know about you, but there were plenty of white male candidates who were uninspiring...

…Bill De Blasio comes to mind.

FWIW - I found Hillary Clinton very inspiring in 2016. SOme folks here didn’t.

[uponit7771]

59. +1, I found Clinton inspiring too

[Hekate]

65. Pretty much. The misogyny is powerful in America.

[niyad]

71. Sadly true. Even amoung some who should know better.

[Victor_c3]

28. She was my first choice during 2020

I still consider her my first choice for the presidency.

I was never the biggest fan of Biden, but I’ve been very impressed with him thus far. He has put together an excellent team and done better as president than I expected. His decades of political experience certainly have served our nation well.

After Harris, I don’t know who I’d consider.

[uponit7771]

54. Yep, its already past racist and sexist to overlook what we already have

[Sneederbunk]

3. I can guarantee it won't be Mario Cuomo.

[brooklynite]

6. Because he's been dead for seven years?

[Sneederbunk]

7. Admittedly it plays a big part.

[Ocelot II]

8. That does tend to detract from a candidate's electability.

[jcgoldie]

42. Still an easy choice against Trump

...or Desantis et al.

[jcgoldie]

44. In fact after further reflection

I was trying to think if there were any dead people I wouldnt vote for against Trump and I arrived at the mindboggling realization that I would even certainly vote for dead Trump against Trump...

[BluesRunTheGame]

43. Somewhat, though I wouldn't be surprised to see Republicans vote...

…for a dead person. They seem to love dead people.

[Celerity]

48. they truly are a Dead Man's Party

Oingo Boingo - Dead Man's Party (Party 'Til You're Dead Mix)

Label:
MCA Records ‎– MCA-23638
Format:
Vinyl, 12", 45 RPM, Single
Country:
US
Released:
1986
Genre:
Rock
Style:
Alternative Rock, New Wave

[Patterson]

38. That's one reason.

[TheProle]

9. Right?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

19. Did I say Mario?

How'd that happen? I voted for him for governor back in the day. Always wondered why he took himself out of the running for POTUS. Maybe he also had personal issues...

No way Andrew.

[phylny]

49. My understanding is that

he had some skeletons in the closet.

[WarGamer]

5. VP usually has first dibs...

[left-of-center2012]

12. I think she'll have a lot of opponents in a Democratic primary

How did she do in the 2020 primaries?

[WarGamer]

13. She didn't do well...

I need to check out all of them but I'm keeping a close eye on Mayor/Transportation Secretary Pete...

[xmas74]

63. How many candidates have run more than once,

Doing better at each run? This was the third time Biden ran for president. His first two campaigns were underwhelming.

Maybe she will be able to see what didn't work before and then build on it.

[Xoan]

10. Psst ...

I think your misogyny is showing.

[lagomorph777]

21. +1

[cilla4progress]

14. I like John Ossoff.

'24 might be too soon, or VP to Harris?

[Mary in S. Carolina]

16. If not Biden/Harris,

then Harris/Raskins.

If Harris does not run, then Raskins/Demings. I think they complement each other, he has a calm reassuring demeanor, and Demings has fire - I really like both of them. But...we probably need a midwestern on the ticket from PA, OH, WI, MI.

At some point I would like to see an Abrams/Fetterman ticket.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

20. I have this feeling that old stratagems no longer apply.

Our bifurcation of info, news gathering, opposition (which Republican Party are we running against?) requires fresh blood and thinking.

I was trying to solicit names outside of normal politics. Like General Mark Milley. Interesting is this bit of info...

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

24. No and no...I think you should delete this myself.

[Demsrule86]

25. Actually what is required is winning the rust-belt...enough states in the electoral college period

[Torchlight]

37. All of them, some of them, or just a few of them?

"I have this feeling that old stratagems no longer apply."

All of them, some of them or just a few of them? Which ones? Specifically?
And precisely how have they become outdated?

I figure if we're going to throw the bathroom out along with the baby along with the bathwater, we should be supplied with a clear and consistent reason supported by data rather than hunches and feelings.

[MineralMan]

22. I think that is not an issue right now at all.

We have other stuff to deal with, it seems to me. Maybe we can focus on 2022 right now, eh?

[Demsrule86]

23. Biden will run...you get a incumbent advantage. It would be madness to do anything else.

And frankly, given our situation, I see no one capable of winning the rust belt which is must-win. Please stop with these posts. Let's get through the midterms. I repeat I believe Biden will run and at that point, NO ONE else who values their future in politics should run.

[Demsrule86]

26. Trashing

[Mz Pip]

27. Sherrod Brown

I really like him. Maybe he’ll get some traction next time around.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

29. I like Brown too. But he didn't run in 2020 for a reason.

Don't recall what that was.

[Sugarcoated]

34. I think he knew he and Biden would be competing

for the same type of voters

[niyad]

30. JFC, can we get through the midterms and the current crises first?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

32. Would love to. But...

Because we don't vote on the same criteria anymore, and tfg refuses to leave the stage, I say we trample the stage with great Democratic names and policies. The more the better.

[niyad]

35. Your OP seems to be trashing/ignoring VP Harris. One wonders why that is.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

40. My query is about outsiders who are Democrats

I understand the sensitivity to the idea of not running Harris, but sadly she has yet to grow her support. She may ye, si xinsider this a think tanks question.

Should Biden not run again for a number of reasons, we have various wannabes already in mainstream politics. I think the country has changed so much since 9/11 and the bifurcation of news sources. Thinking outside the box couldn't hurt in a forum like this.

Why can't we have someone like Tom Hanks? Or maybe Chris Evans? If Reagan can get elected, why not people who realize how much trickle down economics has hurt the middle class.

https://www.astartingpoint.com/about

[niyad]

51. ronnie and donnie showed us the wisdom of NOT picking people with little

(In ronnie's case) or NO (in TRAITOR's** case) government experience.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

33. We can think long-term and short-term at the

same time.

[niyad]

36. Yes, we can. But there are vital issues which need to be dealt with right now.

And the glaring misogyny of the OP was jarring, to say the least.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

50. My misogyny?

I'm no misogynistic Democrat. I voted for Elizabeth Warren in the CA primary. But it takes more than ideas. In a way Warren was an outsider, having entered politics so late in her career.

Bernie Sanders 2,080,846 35.97 225
Joe Biden 1,613,854 27.90 172
Elizabeth Warren 762,555 13.18 11

I'm looking at the results of that primary and am stunned.

Harris is hopefully building a platform of her own for the future. Maybe 2024 or 2028.

[niyad]

52. Again, the fact that your OP completely ignored VP Harris. And you only

mentioned males.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

66. I'm asking. Who? n/t

Really tired of bring bashed for asking questions.

[niyad]

72. Just " asking questions". Sounds familiar, for some reason.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

31. Gavin Newsom is a big target on the right for good reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Newsom?wprov=sfla1

He's a businessman first. And he was married to Kimberly F'n Guilfoyle!!! He's now married to another Republican...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Siebel_Newsom?wprov=sfla1

He is a complicated man. And repubs here in the OC hate him.

[Patterson]

39. Jon Tester, Senator from Montana?

[JanMichael]

45. Some middle aged (40 to 60) white guy probably. Can I get a toast w/butter?

[uponit7771]

53. Why are you bypassing Harris? thx in advance

[Hekate]

64. Joe has not yet given his first State of the Union address. Why this? Why now?

Oy

[betsuni]

67. What does "outsiders" mean? Anti-Establishment populists? Trump was an outsider.

You mean someone who had never been elected to office before?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

68. The consensus appears to be...

There are none.

[betsuni]

70. Why do you think "outsiders" need to be Democratic leaders?

Why are leaders so important? Democrats aren't authoritarians. Democrats know what they stand for and want. They don't have to be told. They aren't populists.

[DFW]

69. A great candidate we (who's "we?") aren't thinking about is exactly who I would pick

I fully expect Joe Biden to run again, but if we have to go through this hypothetical exercise, I would pick someone we absolutely are NOT thinking about, so that the Republican media juggernaut can't start preparing their negative campaign against them already.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

73. The one time insider who is a target of the left - Claire McCaskill.

I think she is wicked smart. Very articulate. Quick on her feet. And a red state Democrat who was defeated by asshole Josh Harley. I keep seeing her pilloried by liberals on-line. Possibly because she is so good at her arguments.

I've appreciated her since she first arrived in the Senate. I think her arguments are based on rational, common sense and reflect my personal moderate tendencies. I doubt she'd run, but I think she'd make a great candidate.