Sandy Hook families settle with Remington marking 1st time gun maker is held liable for mass shootin

[Nevilledog]

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BREAKING: Remington Arms agrees to settle liability claims from Sandy Hook families—marking the first time a gun manufacturer has been held liable for a mass shooting in the U.S.

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Nine Sandy Hook Elementary School families have announced a settlement with Remington Arms, maker of the AR-15 used in the massacre.
8:16 AM · Feb 15, 2022

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Remington Arms agreed Tuesday to settle liability claims from the families of five adults and four children killed in the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, according to a new court filing, marking the first time a gun manufacturer has been held liable for a mass shooting in the U.S.

The settlement comes nearly eight years after the families sued the maker of the Bushmaster XM15-E2S semiautomatic rifle that was used in the 2012 mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

"The plaintiffs in this action hereby give Notice that a settlement agreement has been executed between the parties," the filing said.

More details are expected to be announced at a news conference from the families.

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[Kingofalldems]

1. Great news!

[lagomorph777]

2. Beat on those bastards until they support gun safety.

Bankrupt them if necessary.

[sarisataka]

3. Knowing how these settlements are usually worded

I am willing to bet that headline will be retracted.

[Nevilledog]

5. I'm sure it will be confidential terms with no acceptance of liability.

However, this was more than a nuisance suit and I think it's fair to assume that Remington had reasons to believe a jury would have dinged them more severely.

[sarisataka]

7. There are three factors in play

Trial cost, likely jury result, and the bankruptcy.

Remington was probably concerned about the first two and the plaintiffs about the latter two. Factor in how long appeals would take (and costs) both parties were probably willing to settle.

This way both can claim victory as well.

[Ohio Joe]

4. Good - nt

[Hoyt]

6. Good. Considering how the rifle used was marketed, I hope the settlement was large.

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[Scrivener7]

11. You know this was a result of some research, and it always makes me think:

"What pitiful worms their customers must be."

[llmart]

12. That ad makes me want to hurl.

I will never forget the faces on those terrified children and the grief of those parents. NEVER!

The settlement is very little comfort to me, though it's better than nothing.

[CaptainTruth]

14. Toxic masculinity. A cancer in our society.

[Demsrule86]

16. The kids Mother bought him his gun...even though he had Aspergers and mental health issues...

so that has nothing to do with toxic masculinity. I see plenty of female moronic irresponsible gun owners these days.

[SYFROYH]

28. Was there any evidence that the shooter saw this ad?

[Hoyt]

29. A gunner's question? No evidence he didn't see it Akioado. Plus, almost all

gunners are tied into ammosexual aspect of gunz.

Surely, you won’t deny that.

[SYFROYH]

30. It appears a lot of antigunners have their own fixations

Not you, of course, but ofhers

But I dont disagree with your point dthat gun culture overlaps with ideas about masculinity.

[Hoyt]

32. Fair enough.

[Solly Mack]

8. K&R

[SYFROYH]

9. Good. I'm glad its over and they families accepted the settlement.

I feel bad for the families even though I don't think Remington did anything wrong.

But held liable seems to be the wrong phrase here.

[Emile]

10. 73 Million Dollars for all those deaths. Doesn't sound like enough to me.

Remington Arms is owned by Olin Corporation a fortune 500 company!

[Farmer-Rick]

13. Good, very good

The Camel just got its nose under the tent.

[CaptainTruth]

15. No, they weren't "held liable." That would have required a trial & jury verdict.

They settled, thus avoiding a trial & verdict.

I'm truly glad they're paying up. I hope it helps the families & causes other manufacturers to think twice.

[Fla Dem]

17. Only took a freaking 10 years. Some of those children would be graduating HS this year.

Peace to the the families of the 20 children and the 6 educators whose lives were taken from them on December 14, 2012.

[Botany]

18. This was what Remington made that was good 870 pump

birds & small game, deer (with a slug tube), certain critter control, and perfect for home defense


this is a killing machine that shoots a round that tumbles when it hits a body to cause massive loss of blood

[fightforfreedom]

19. This is a big deal.

Gun manufacturers beware.

[rurallib]

20. I hope you are right

[Mme. Defarge]

21. Formidable!!!

[BobTheSubgenius]

22. As I once heard a lawyer say in summation,

*paraphrasing* "Money is a woefully poor and inadequate compensation for the loss of a loved one.....but it's all we've got."

Just less than $3M per victim? Nowhere near enough, but then, neither would $3B be.

[patphil]

23. I hope all those companies making assault rifles and pistols for the general public take note.

There's going to be a lot more lawsuits coming.
And, if there is an armed insurgence instigated by Trump's radical base, it could be more than just financial judgements.
The gun makers know their products were made for one purpose only...to kill or maim large numbers of people in a very short time. And yet they still produce them.

[DENVERPOPS]

25. You can certainly bet

that these companies liability insurance is going to skyrocket........Making the price of their weapons skyrocket......

[AndyS]

24. The sticking point in other settlement offers was that Remington refused to turn over internal

documents on marketing tactics. Who were they marketing to, what vehicle was the 'hook' in the ads, what did they know about the customer base they were aiming for and what was that customer base.

The families were never interested in monetary settlements except to inflict pain on Remington.

I hope that part of the settlement is the release of those internal documents.

[Tommymac]

26. Settling 'liability claims' & 'being held liable' are not the same thing at all. Headline misleads.

However I'm so glad the families are getting something.

But much work still needs to be done to stop the sales of these deadly weapons to the public at large.

Guns kill People.
Yes they do.
It's a fact - that is what these type weapons are designed to do.
No word games here.

[Calculating]

31. Why should they pay for the intentional misuse of their products

???

[Emile]

33. Why don't you ask tobacco companies that question, I'm

sure they know the answer to your question.

[sl8]

36. How is Olin Corp. involved? n/t

[Emile]

38. They are not the owner of Remington,

I was wrong on that one! They are only making Winchester ammunition now days.

[sl8]

39. Thanks. n/t

[Deminpenn]

34. The families got the documents they were seeking

Not only that, but they got the right to make the material public. The lawsuit was never primarily about the money.

Betting that once these materials are organized and made public, they will start popping up in the 2nd Amendment cases now working their way through the courts.

The families also got all the insurers who insured Remington to pay up. The financial settlement is going to cause insurance companies to think twice now about insuring gun manufacturers that market military weapons to the general public. If a manufacturer cannot get insurance, they are less likely to keep making the uninsurable product.

[Meowmee]

35. I noticed that in an interview

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With the lawyer. I hope that will be the end result.