We've never really given enough thought to how stupid it was not to elect Hillary President

[ificandream]

There have been various thought streams like this one of what life under President Hillary Clinton would have been like. But with all the ruckus and turmoil Trump brought us in the past four years, have we really realized what a stupid mistake this country made? I don't just mean stupid. I mean STUPID STUPID!

A big (and obvious one) is that we'd have been much closer to controlling Covid-19 because she would have taken positive measures to control it immediately. Unlike Dumb Donald and his more casual approach. In so many other areas -- racial injustice, voting rights and health care, to name three -- she would have shown competency rather than act like a bumbling fool like the Orange Gibbon did. And it's likely the Trumptons wouldn't have gained as much power as they did with an Adminstration that wouldn't have coddled to them.

So many things too numerous to mention. Repughs will do everything to bypass the idea, but you and I know history will be brutal to Dumb Donald. As it should be. He will be, in my mind, the worst president in this nation's history. Hopefully he'll never be in a position where he can create more damage ever again.

If you pray, pray hard, folks. And thank God Hillary can still have some effect on history. Not maybe what she should have, but proof that she was the leader we should have gotten in 2016.

[lagomorph777]

1. Really?

Most people consider that the beginning of the collapse of America. I think we've obsessed on it nonstop. But it really is time to move forward, prosecute Trump, clean up our politics, and save the world. Or die trying. Ruminating on the past helps nobody.

[Baitball Blogger]

7. +1

[ms liberty]

2. Maybe you haven't, but a good portion of DU is obsessed with it.

[ificandream]

3. I was talking more about the general public.

I know DUers have.

[Caliman73]

23. The "general public" tends not to think much about anything that doesn't affect them here and now.

Abstractions about what could have happened are just that, abstractions. Thinking about what might have happened if Hillary would have been elected won't get them their next paycheck. It doesn't do their taxes for them.


I know what you are saying and completely agree with you. Problem is that the people on DU are not the "general public". We, by virtue of our presence here, AT LEAST have more than a passing interest in politics and policy.

I have relatives who cannot name their own mayor, local district and state representatives, etc... They sure know who's showing up to Spring Training, who is likely headed in to March Madness, who is winning the Indy Cup or the NASCAR circuit cup. They know all the gossip around Dua Lipa or the latest episode of Squid Games or the like.

The question is "How do we get the 'general public' to be more interested in monitoring the people who make the laws and policies that affect them?" How do we get the general public to understand what budgets reflect more than they focus on who the "sexiest celebrity" is?

[Cha]

33. "Obessed" with Reality &

Democracy. Especially Since trump & Fascism got a strong hold in our WH.

Yes We Are!

[edhopper]

4. I thought about nothing else

for 4 years.

[rurallib]

29. as have many of us here have

some thought about Hillary instead of trump has passed my mind daily for 5 years. Usually when I open DU for the day.

[Pantagruel]

5. Hell! I'm still mad

about Al Gore ...

Think how much different things would be w/o Dubya?
Maybe no 9/11, no Iraq invasion and just maybe some climate progress.

[jmowreader]

22. Definitely no 9/11

If Gore - Clinton’s terrorism expert - would have received the same PDB Bush did, there would have been immediate action: a notification would have gone out to every airport in America “if anyone shows up at your airport to board a flight, and they act unusually nervous, are carrying no luggage and have one-way tickets, detain for questioning.” The hijackers would have been taken aside and the reporting of the day’s events would have been a six-column-inch story on page A6 that no one would have read anyway.

[stage left]

37. I'm still Mad

About Jimmy Carter. Reagan was the start of the ruin.

[Budi]

6. K & R

[iemanja]

18. Love that. nt

[CaptainTruth]

36. America lost.

[soldierant]

38. Yes. And

all the talk about Trump trying to steal the election and deprive Biden of his win are equally wrong. It's OUR win he is trying to steal.

[Budi]

8. Clinton will receive the "Forbes International Women's Day Lifetime Achievement Award" to commemorat

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbespr/2022/02/08/hillary-rodham-clinton-to-headline-inaugural-forbes-3050-summit-and-receive-international-womens-day-lifetime-achievement-award/?sh=6d8d0ec53e74
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Former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will headline its inaugural 'Forbes 30/50 Summit', a global event gathering generations of women from both the “30 Under 30” list and “50 Over 50” list in Abu Dhabi in *March of 2022* to mark International Women’s Day.

Clinton will receive the "Forbes International Women’s Day Lifetime Achievement Award" to commemorate her leadership and influential voice on the global stage in advancing the cause of women and fighting for gender equity.
More...

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[ificandream]

11. Thanks!!

[Mr.Bill]

9. We did elect Hillary President n/t

[DeeNice]

10. Yup. nt

[joshcryer]

13. +1

[2naSalit]

21. +1

[Deuce]

26. Yes, I take comfort in that she won a plurality of the people's vote. I blame the Constitution...

[Budi]

12. Hillary Clinton is expected to speak at *next week's New York State Democratic Party Convention

Link to tweet

CNBC:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/10/hillary-clinton-expected-to-speak-at-new-york-democratic-convention-.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Main&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1644520190

💙Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton is expected to speak at *next week’s New York State Democratic Party Convention💙, according to people familiar with the matter.

More...
Hillary Clinton will deliver the keynote address at the state Democratic convention this week in New York City, party officials on Monday confirmed.

The convention, scheduled for Thursday, will include the party conferring preferred candidate status for governor, attorney general, state comptroller and U.S. Senate.

Gov. Kathy Hochul, the first woman to serve as governor of New York, is expected to secure the lion's share of delegates at the convention as she runs for a full term.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-politics/2022/02/14/hillary-clinton-to-keynote-new-york-democratic-convention


ALSO 💙

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Become a member of Hillary's Onward Together PAC to join the conversation:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OnwardTogether

[RAB910]

14. The people voted for Hillary. The F**ing Electoral College voted for the criminal traitor

[PortTack]

15. Some didn't, from the popular vote total most did.

[MineralMan]

16. I have. What happened in 2016 was a sad, sad thing.

It could all have turned out differently. I have thought about it again and again ever since.

[iemanja]

17. The 2016 election was traumatic for me

Something I'll never forget. Yes, what might have been . . .

[jcgoldie]

19. Unfortunately I've given it many years of thought

[KPN]

20. Oh I think we have and it was far beyond stupid. It

involved direct interference by a foreign nation in collaboration with TFG and his campaign. I’m not even certain in my mind that Hillary didn’t actually win given the extent of corrupt and illicit lengths the GOP will go to take a State and ultimately the electoral college. Hillary won the popular vote by far. I suspect TFG was right about the election was rigged in 2016. But lacking real evidence of fraudulent vote counts, Obama, Hillary and the Democratic Party fully supported a smooth and efficient transfer of power.

[JohnSJ]

24. It may not be realized, but there is a real possibility that our Democracy ended with what

happened in 2016

[Budi]

39. K & R

[Mr.Bill]

25. For every republican president there's a "What if?"

What if RFK instead of Nixon in '68? What if Carter instead of Reagan in "80? etc.

[Bettie]

27. Carter instead of Reagan would have

made an enormous difference.

We'd still have a a robust middle class and a tax code that is more fair than it is now.

We'd probably be a world leader in renewable energy.

So much more.

Reagan was the beginning, TFG was just the latest in a line of right wingers working to destroy our society.

[Autumn]

28. And Al Gore won the election in 2000. Things certainly would have been different

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-09-10/counting-the-lives-lost-as-a-result-of-9-11

He was the leaders we should have gotten in 2000.

[Escurumbele]

30. Not true, many of us have, and I would dare to say EVERYONE at DU has. The same with Al Gore.

The World would be a very different place if Al Gore, and not the chimp, Hillary and not the buffoon had been presidents, for one we would have better climate resolutions, and I bet anything Putin would be playing soldier in his office and not at the border of Ukraine.

Many of us think about it almost every day, and from 2016 to 2020? I would dare to say, EVERY F^&ING DAY!


Sorry Autumn, didn't read the responses before I posted...but, nonetheless, great minds think alike...

[hamsterjill]

31. As an older, strong feminist, I promise you I've thought about it.

In fact, I’ve literally been sick because of thinking about it. We could have been SO far ahead - not only with COVID, but climate change, racism, sexism, equality, the economy - you name it. It was the opportunity for real change by putting a smart, strong WOMAN in charge and I listened to several men whose only reservation about voting for her was because she is a woman.

I’m tired of idiots, but I’m even more tired of someone being an idiot and being excused for it. Those idiots changed the course of not only MY life, but the course of this country, and I will never forgive them.

[yaesu]

32. The amount of damage done to this country And the world by not electing HRC in incalculable. nt

[world wide wally]

34. I've thought about that every day since Nov 9, 2016.

I can't even count the number of times I have called the American people stupid.

[CaptainTruth]

35. Yes, it set America back 10-20 years, perhaps more.

It depends on how extensively Trumpian fascism takes hold.

It might get ugly.

[Aussie105]

40. Americans really need to get off the line of thinking

that a known character - be it actor, politician, cult figure - would make a good leader.

Actors like Reagan and Schwarzenegger - unknown quantities once they enter politics.
Business people - like Trump, the same.

And the focus on gender and skin color - why?

Anyone without a personal grudge or axe to grind would have seen Hillary had the experience and skills to do a good job as POTUS.
But . . . gender, Bill's 'history' got a big beat-up!

So vote for Trump, because he has been in a mediocre TV show, and talks himself up all the time?
How did that choice turn out, America?

Rest of the world is still wondering why President H. Clinton never happened.
Experience and proven competence over-ride gender and color considerations all the time. But not in America, it seems.

[betsuni]

42. It's ridiculous.

[Martin Eden]

41. Donald Trump is egregiously unfit mentally and morally to be president

That should have been obvious to all rational people from the start.

This isn't about Hillary or even TFG.

It's about a serious deficit in the mindset of nearly half the American people and the media which "informs" them.

[CrackityJones75]

43. Pretty much think about it daily.

That was the real steep slide into the shit we are in right now.