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demmiblue

(39,471 posts)
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 02:58 PM Feb 2022

Kamila Valieva had three substances that could be used to treat heart conditions in her sample.

Kamila Valieva had three substances that could be used to treat heart conditions in her sample. Only one is banned.

The teenage Russian figure skater at the center of a doping case at the Beijing Olympics had three substances that can be used to treat heart conditions in the sample she provided to an antidoping laboratory before the Games, according to a document filed in her arbitration hearing on Sunday.

The skater, Kamila Valieva, was cleared to continue competing in the Games by a panel of arbitrators on Monday even though one of the drugs found in her system, trimetazidine, is on the list of drugs banned by global antidoping officials. Valieva, 15, provided the sample in December, but Russian antidoping officials said they only learned of her positive result last week.

But according to documents reviewed by The New York Times and confirmed by someone who took part in the hearing, the Stockholm laboratory that carried out the examination of Valieva’s sample also found evidence of two other heart medications, hypoxen and L-Carnatine, that are not on the banned list.

The presence of trimetazidine in Valieva’s system may have been a mistake, Russian and Olympic officials have suggested. But the discovery of several substances in the sample of an elite athlete, especially one as young as Valieva, was highly unusual, according to a prominent antidoping official.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/14/sports/olympics/valieva-drug-test-heart-medications.html
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Kamila Valieva had three substances that could be used to treat heart conditions in her sample. (Original Post) demmiblue Feb 2022 OP
Russian was caught trying to cheat again. No excuses. You didn't see others trying to cheat. rockfordfile Feb 2022 #1
L-carnitine Jilly_in_VA Feb 2022 #2
Very true. LisaL Feb 2022 #4
L-Carnitine PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #6
Of course the Russian skating sarisataka Feb 2022 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #5
pure clickbait WarGamer Feb 2022 #7
god forbid anyone suggest that Russia isn't perfect iemanja Feb 2022 #9
She obviously cheated. WarGamer Feb 2022 #10
There is nothing click baitey about this thread iemanja Feb 2022 #12
Again... why are you trying to paint me as some Russian supporter? WarGamer Feb 2022 #14
I already told you what I thought in iemanja Feb 2022 #15
Which I never said. WarGamer Feb 2022 #16
verbatim iemanja Feb 2022 #17
Which I clarified. WarGamer Feb 2022 #18
it's helped me with heart trouble Amishman Feb 2022 #20
Oh I love ice cream. WarGamer Feb 2022 #25
could the other two drugs be used as a smoke screen to give it an air of mitch96 Feb 2022 #8
No. LisaL Feb 2022 #11
Past gold skaters on the Olympics show are openly decrying this injustice on TV tonight. lindysalsagal Feb 2022 #13
I keep waiting to hear from the noble knights fighting to protect women's sports.. IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #19
L-carnatine was what brought down Alberto Salazar. AngryOldDem Feb 2022 #21
He got banned for trafficking testosterone. LisaL Feb 2022 #22
In part. AngryOldDem Feb 2022 #23
An infusion of a large volume of it quickly is prohibited, not oral use. LisaL Feb 2022 #24
 

rockfordfile

(8,742 posts)
1. Russian was caught trying to cheat again. No excuses. You didn't see others trying to cheat.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 03:04 PM
Feb 2022

The other skaters worked hard to get there and not cheat.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,092 posts)
2. L-carnitine
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 03:12 PM
Feb 2022

is present in a lot of vitamin supplements. It's not a cardiac medication, it's an amino acid. Calling it a cardiac medication is a gross error on the part of the NYT.

Hypoxen is a trade name for a drug that is an antihypoxant and antioxidant. It reduces oxygen consumption and increase the efficiency of the organism in extreme situations, such as mental and physical stress, accompanied by a lack of oxygen (including the highlands, the Arctic conditions, underwater work). Hypoxen is effective in eliminating and reducing the effects of oxygen starvation, improving metabolism and energy supply of tissues, reducing tissue hypoxia. It's medically used in the complex treatment of pneumonia, bronchial asthma, obstructive bronchitis, and asthmatic bronchitis, as well as in prevention of stable angina, complex treatment of heart failure and hypertension. So technically it could be called a cardiac drug, but it's used for so much more.

This is sloppy, sensationalistic journalism on the part of NYT, IMNSHO, and just about what I would expect of what it's become.

LisaL

(47,365 posts)
4. Very true.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 03:16 PM
Feb 2022

The other two substances are not banned. And not cardiac medications. They are available without a prescription.

sarisataka

(22,356 posts)
3. Of course the Russian skating
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 03:13 PM
Feb 2022

Governing body pre informed international bodies of her medical condition so there would be no confusion in a major competition...

Response to sarisataka (Reply #3)

WarGamer

(18,328 posts)
10. She obviously cheated.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 04:51 PM
Feb 2022

That's a fact.

I don't get your assertion.

But a LOT of our online media lie and post BS just to get clicks whether it's about this thing or another thing.

One of my greatest pet peeves is the media treating me like a low-IQ consumer of trash news sources... they KNOW what they're doing.

iemanja

(57,624 posts)
12. There is nothing click baitey about this thread
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:58 PM
Feb 2022

You just want the news buried.

I'm sorry the US media doesn't live up to RT's standards.

WarGamer

(18,328 posts)
14. Again... why are you trying to paint me as some Russian supporter?
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:30 PM
Feb 2022

If you have something to say come out and say it.

And NO I don't want ANY news buried. I just want news to be accurate. This news story is exaggerated and stretches the meaning of words to imply misinformation... for the sake of gaining clicks.

Why are you trying to be the "Bane" of my existence?

WarGamer

(18,328 posts)
16. Which I never said.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:45 PM
Feb 2022

And all you said was "Look everyone told you you were wrong"

When they did no such thing.

So whatever... you be you. Just try not to be so aggressive to me... I'll just go back to reading my old comics, I'm on the Batman meets Bane episode from 1993.

iemanja

(57,624 posts)
17. verbatim
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:50 PM
Feb 2022

You wrote:

Crimea was a different cat... no invasion.

Just a fake referendum after promising the veterans in the area increased pensions and more benefits.

Very pro-Russia region with little geographical connection to Ukraine.

And LITERALLY territory INSIDE the borders of Russia...


https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16332282

WarGamer

(18,328 posts)
25. Oh I love ice cream.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:35 PM
Feb 2022

Recently discovered a brand out of Santa Barbara, CA named McConnells


(yeah I know... no relation)


Around $8-10 a pint (at least I think it's a pint nowadays?)

Unbelievable. Reminds me of Boy Scouts when we used to make hand made ice cream.

lindysalsagal

(22,840 posts)
13. Past gold skaters on the Olympics show are openly decrying this injustice on TV tonight.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:53 PM
Feb 2022

So strange to hear them trash the judges openly. They're also criticizing the olympic committee decision.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
19. I keep waiting to hear from the noble knights fighting to protect women's sports..
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:28 AM
Feb 2022

After all, girls and women's sports are all under attack! This is a Serious Problem™ and it needs Serious Action™! Sports should be a safe space for females, and it's total injustice that these girls lost to a doped-up 15 year old Russian girl! They all should've had a fair chance to win, and it was denied because of the cocktail of drugs she's on!

And I know they're around. They have to be. I saw them just the other day, speaking up and fighting valiantly to protect female athletes!

Who is going to do something?! When is it going to be done?! This cannot be allowed to happen to female athletes! This is Serious™! This is the worst injustice in the world today and....

Wait. What's that about Kamila Valieva? She's.... Ohh... OHHHH. Nevermind. All good. This isn't a travesty after all. Move along. Nothing to see here. All female athletes are free and safe from Serious Issues™.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
21. L-carnatine was what brought down Alberto Salazar.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:16 AM
Feb 2022

Not going to get into it here, but this involved some of runners in Nike’s Oregon Project, who started to show suspiciously improved performance. This was a very hot topic in the running community at the time.

The substance may be “legal” overall, but if it gives any edge to performance, it should be a banned substance for competition.

Bottom line — the IOC and the arbitration committee made the wrong decision here. Russia, with its history, has lost any benefit of any doubt as it concerns doping matters. If the IOC wants to keep any credibility it has left, ban them after these Games, give them their damn medals, and show them the door.

Flame away.

LisaL

(47,365 posts)
22. He got banned for trafficking testosterone.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:30 AM
Feb 2022

Testosterone is a steroid.

"Two independent three-member arbitration panels found that Salazar and Brown “trafficked testosterone, a banned performance-enhancing substance, administered a prohibited IV infusion, and engaged in tampering to attempt to prevent relevant information about their conduct from being learned by USADA.”"

https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a29312870/alberto-salazar-doping-ban/

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
23. In part.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:59 AM
Feb 2022
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/766061205/nike-coach-alberto-salazar-is-hit-with-4-year-doping-ban

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency has banned Alberto Salazar, the famed track coach and former marathon champion, for four years. USADA says Salazar trafficked testosterone, infused a prohibited amount of L-carnitine and tried to tamper with doping controls.

Salazar is the head coach for long-distance running at the Nike Oregon Project, an elite program where he has worked with track stars such as Mo Farah. The ban comes after an independent panel of the American Arbitration Association decided to punish Salazar and his colleague Dr. Jeffrey Brown, a former consultant with Nike.


If this applies to the kid, a ban is warranted. Russia has flaunted doping rules for years, maybe or maybe not with minors. It needs to stop. Period. This is not a one-off situation.

Of course, YMMV, as it probably will.

LisaL

(47,365 posts)
24. An infusion of a large volume of it quickly is prohibited, not oral use.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:04 PM
Feb 2022

They can eat it by the pound, it's not prohibited in any amount as long as it's not infused in a large volume quickly.

"L-carnitine is not a prohibited substance under Wada rules. Injections and infusions of it were permitted within Wada rules in 2014 provided the volume was below 50 millilitres every six hours. The permitted volume is now 100ml every 12 hours."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/mar/19/mo-farah-taking-supplement-l-carnitine-london-marathon-2014

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