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nolabear

(43,850 posts)
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:13 PM Feb 2022

PJ O'Roarke has died.

He was a conservative, yes. But he wasn’t nuts. He was a wonderful, biting satirist who was brave enough to be edgy, sometimes cringe-inducing, and no cow was sacred. He was editor of National Lampoon, which taught me more about that fact than anything.

The smart, brave, talented artists of my youth are walking on. I like the world still, but it’s less mine every day.

Peace, you old monster. 😢

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PJ O'Roarke has died. (Original Post) nolabear Feb 2022 OP
I shook his hand at a book-signing once Shrek Feb 2022 #1
I enjoyed some of his writing. Kali Feb 2022 #2
I remember liking his stuff for National Lampoon back in the 70s Ohio Joe Feb 2022 #6
I recall having seen a doc about the National Lampoon Xavier Breath Feb 2022 #45
Is that the one showing a VW Bug floating? marie999 Feb 2022 #51
That's the one. Xavier Breath Feb 2022 #52
The twitter tributes are stunning. Ben Shapiro and Dan Savage agree. nolabear Feb 2022 #44
He voted for Hillary... lisa58 Feb 2022 #3
Liked his humor and work at National Lampoon. Sneederbunk Feb 2022 #4
Same. AngryOldDem Feb 2022 #16
Read him a lot in my youth. cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #5
Conservative Comedy has died with him. Caliman73 Feb 2022 #7
Very sad. I always enjoyed him when he was on Bill Maher. beaglelover Feb 2022 #8
He killed the National Lampoon... lame54 Feb 2022 #9
My opinion, too. ChazInAz Feb 2022 #15
Same here. nt frogmarch Feb 2022 #54
Ditto tenderfoot Feb 2022 #39
He endorsed Hillary, in fact Clash City Rocker Feb 2022 #10
Oh yes. The first announcement came from Peter Sagal. nolabear Feb 2022 #46
I didn't know he endorsed Hillary. "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" is a great... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #49
He took a lot of pot shots at her, though. LisaM Feb 2022 #79
Got it 👍 electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #81
I rarely agreed with his politics AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2022 #11
was just as far left as the rest of us thomski64 Feb 2022 #74
Back in the day, when I still subscribed to Rolling Stone and PJ was on the writing staff, crickets Feb 2022 #12
+1 happybird Feb 2022 #20
I enjoyed some of his work too, like that Withywindle Feb 2022 #31
P.J. O'Rourke Quotes ItsjustMe Feb 2022 #13
"I like the world still, but it's less mine every day." . . . Journeyman Feb 2022 #14
Not all conservatives are, as you say, "nuts". Nor are they all bad people. George II Feb 2022 #17
I agree...kinda like not all Trump voters are Nazis, but all Nazis are Trump voters...(n/t) Moostache Feb 2022 #33
Well I know. But "conservative" is a broad term. nolabear Feb 2022 #47
Yes, and it's evolved over the last several decades, maybe mostly since the Nixon days.... George II Feb 2022 #48
Those who *CAN'T* discuss things civilly The Mouth Feb 2022 #78
I remember seeing him in an interview, and he said he was voting for HRC. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #18
Yes I remember that..I posted that quote on FB. mountain grammy Feb 2022 #66
I'm sorry, but I don't remember your post. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #67
I used to read him in NatLamp nuxvomica Feb 2022 #19
The only funny conservative has now passed away. PurgedVoter Feb 2022 #21
+1 philly_bob Feb 2022 #25
Very good comment about his book. WestMichRad Feb 2022 #28
very interesting comment-- thanks! LymphocyteLover Feb 2022 #30
Most interesting comment, with truth. I have felt our democracy worked because we have a c-rational Feb 2022 #41
wow...couldn't have been that old, could he... bahboo Feb 2022 #22
He was 74. 2naSalit Feb 2022 #24
A good friend of mine is his first cousin. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2022 #23
Wow! Very sad. I grew up with the National Lampoon! bif Feb 2022 #26
Sorry to hear it, despite his politics. Paladin Feb 2022 #27
I believe it was a short story that National Lampoon's Vacation is based bif Feb 2022 #29
What a shame. I liked him, even if I disagreed politically on most. hlthe2b Feb 2022 #32
a conservative comedian just came to mind 90-percent Feb 2022 #34
There goes another one. calimary Feb 2022 #35
Conservative ? No. I would say.... reACTIONary Feb 2022 #36
He was a rare Likeable one. sky_masterson Feb 2022 #37
Loved the National Lampoon Radio Hour and the N.Lampoon parodies. Liberal In Texas Feb 2022 #38
I prefer my conservatives to have a sense of humor. sarchasm Feb 2022 #40
He attended Miami University Xavier Breath Feb 2022 #42
I think he died of lung cancer JohnSJ Feb 2022 #43
From what I remember reading his books he was fond of cigars n/t bcool Feb 2022 #53
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work" Shrek Feb 2022 #50
PJ O'Roarke: "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work.." whathehell Feb 2022 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Feb 2022 #56
What kills people is saying no difference between Bush and Gore JI7 Feb 2022 #57
Noted. nolabear Feb 2022 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Feb 2022 #59
As are many, on all sides of politics. nolabear Feb 2022 #61
The Atlantic is not a propaganda rag 'full of hate speech, racism, and purposeful disinformation Celerity Feb 2022 #76
I loved reading him. Didn't always agree but he was talented. applegrove Feb 2022 #60
He Was Hilariously RobinA Feb 2022 #62
"If you think health care is expensive now, just wait 'til it's free." tenderfoot Feb 2022 #63
I can't speak for anyone else, but nolabear Feb 2022 #65
My Libertarian brother-in-law votes Republican and then swears he's not one! Dambedest thing. czarjak Feb 2022 #64
Modern Manners msdogi Feb 2022 #68
Rest in Peace P.J. O'Rourke FakeNoose Feb 2022 #69
Amen Joinfortmill Feb 2022 #70
Two more Peej quotes. Wolf Frankula Feb 2022 #71
Yes, our world is moving on. Do you remember the Can't Buy a Thrill album? PatrickforB Feb 2022 #72
I can hear it! nolabear Feb 2022 #73
I'm truly saddened. JohnnyRingo Feb 2022 #75
Two quotes from him that stick in my head markbark Feb 2022 #77
At our house the local newspaper, Rolling Stone, and Stereo Review were standard. 2Gingersnaps Feb 2022 #80
I liked him. Didn't agree with everything but I liked his satire.....RIP friend WillUSAF Feb 2022 #82

Ohio Joe

(21,898 posts)
6. I remember liking his stuff for National Lampoon back in the 70s
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:21 PM
Feb 2022

I don't remember what any of it was today though.

Xavier Breath

(6,639 posts)
45. I recall having seen a doc about the National Lampoon
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:20 PM
Feb 2022

that showed his work and influence at the magazine. Of all the work discussed, the one item that stuck out most was the infamous Volkswagen parody ad, which landed the magazine a huge lawsuit from VW.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
51. Is that the one showing a VW Bug floating?
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:54 PM
Feb 2022

I'm not sure if it is okay to write the ad underneath?

Xavier Breath

(6,639 posts)
52. That's the one.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 08:02 PM
Feb 2022

It was creative in its way. But I'm going to err on the side of caution and not post it. Perhaps you're braver than me

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
44. The twitter tributes are stunning. Ben Shapiro and Dan Savage agree.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:19 PM
Feb 2022

Can world peace be far behind?

lisa58

(5,809 posts)
3. He voted for Hillary...
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:17 PM
Feb 2022

Because he knew trump was dangerous. I had a lot of respect for him.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
16. Same.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:36 PM
Feb 2022

I wish I could remember the details, but there was a chapter in one of his books that was just so hilariously funny. I think it was about a road trip. I just remember laughing until I thought I would split.

The losses come every day, it seems.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
5. Read him a lot in my youth.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:19 PM
Feb 2022

He taught me to drive a sports car properly... for better or worse.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
7. Conservative Comedy has died with him.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:21 PM
Feb 2022

Agreed, his views and mine did not match, but he I think put comedy above ideology and wouldn't say things that weren't funny just to promote conservatism.

Today's "conservative" comedians are banal and cruel. They have no humanity like O'Roarke did.

ChazInAz

(3,017 posts)
15. My opinion, too.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:35 PM
Feb 2022

His "humor" was sledgehammer heavy handed, and as a conservative he always punched down with his attempts at satire.
I found him grievously unfunny.

Clash City Rocker

(3,546 posts)
10. He endorsed Hillary, in fact
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:23 PM
Feb 2022

He was a semi-regular on a great NPR show called “Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me.” If you’ve never listened to it, you should, it’s hilarious. I remember hearing him (reluctantly) endorsing Hillary there. Like many old-school Republicans, he had some standards.

He crossed the line sometimes, but he was always funny, and there are few funny Republicans in the world, so I made allowances. Thankfully, Ben Stein is still around, so we haven’t run all the way out of funny Republicans, but they’re scarce.

electric_blue68

(26,835 posts)
49. I didn't know he endorsed Hillary. "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me" is a great...
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:38 PM
Feb 2022

News Quiz show. It's very funny!

One of the best things is telling a news story along with two other fake stories and the phone in contestant has to pick
the true. Sometimes they are almost farcical, outlandish, or fantastical - even some of those turn to be true. 😄

You get quips from the panelists. They're special guests.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
11. I rarely agreed with his politics
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:26 PM
Feb 2022

But he was thoughtful, biting and really fucking funny. A giant of political satire.

thomski64

(930 posts)
74. was just as far left as the rest of us
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 03:37 AM
Feb 2022

,,hanging out at Mac 'n Joe's down the alley in Oxford. In '67

crickets

(26,168 posts)
12. Back in the day, when I still subscribed to Rolling Stone and PJ was on the writing staff,
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:26 PM
Feb 2022

I used to look forward to his articles. They were long, entertaining, and informative journeys. Parliament of Whores also comes to mind. I often disagreed with him, but he was never boring.

Withywindle

(9,989 posts)
31. I enjoyed some of his work too, like that
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:26 PM
Feb 2022

At his best, he was like the conservative Hunter S. Thompson. I didn't agree with him, but he sure as hell could write, and I respect that.

 

ItsjustMe

(11,971 posts)
13. P.J. O'Rourke Quotes
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:28 PM
Feb 2022

“Making fun of born-again Christians is like hunting dairy cows with a high powered rifle and scope.”
― P.J. O'Rourke

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/14549850.P_J_O_Rourke

“The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.”

Journeyman

(15,445 posts)
14. "I like the world still, but it's less mine every day." . . .
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:32 PM
Feb 2022

a fitting coda to lives well lived.

Moostache

(11,171 posts)
33. I agree...kinda like not all Trump voters are Nazis, but all Nazis are Trump voters...(n/t)
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:38 PM
Feb 2022

George II

(67,782 posts)
48. Yes, and it's evolved over the last several decades, maybe mostly since the Nixon days....
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:27 PM
Feb 2022

A couple of my favorite writers were arch conservatives William F. Buckley and William Safire.

Both were biting, but neither overly nasty (although they could be at times) and not innately cruel or vicious. They could also listen to reason and discuss things civilly.

The Mouth

(3,414 posts)
78. Those who *CAN'T* discuss things civilly
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:57 AM
Feb 2022

Don't deserve to be listened to, mere mocked, ignored and contravened.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,212 posts)
18. I remember seeing him in an interview, and he said he was voting for HRC.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:39 PM
Feb 2022

He said "I think she's wrong about everything, but at least she's wrong within normal parameters."

In the moment, I thought "That's the best we're EVER going to get from him." And it was.

mountain grammy

(29,013 posts)
66. Yes I remember that..I posted that quote on FB.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 10:12 PM
Feb 2022

Love him on Wait, Wait Don’t Tell Me. Rest In Peace

nuxvomica

(14,080 posts)
19. I used to read him in NatLamp
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:39 PM
Feb 2022

Even when he was on Real Time or Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!, he pushed the conservative message but was always uneasy with the numberless excesses of the right, as any satirist would be. He always seemed a particularly affable fellow, wanting to laugh with you, not destroy you, which is rare among conservatives.

PurgedVoter

(2,715 posts)
21. The only funny conservative has now passed away.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:46 PM
Feb 2022

I think he was conservative by religious nature.

His book "Eat the Rich," examined other countries and tried to see why one government/economic system worked and prospered while another failed. If you read it and read between the lines you can see what he was trying to say to himself but could not hear. The countries that did well were countries with lower corruption. The countries with lower corruption were countries where compassion was expected from the leadership. O'Roarke documented this but never quite connected the dots.

Godspeed and rest in peace. You will always be a warning that brilliance can be blind.

c-rational

(3,200 posts)
41. Most interesting comment, with truth. I have felt our democracy worked because we have a
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:08 PM
Feb 2022

sacrosanct judiciary, but I like the correlation with corruption. Thanks.

bahboo

(16,953 posts)
22. wow...couldn't have been that old, could he...
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:47 PM
Feb 2022

seemed like you could actually have a discussion with him.

2naSalit

(102,663 posts)
24. He was 74.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:56 PM
Feb 2022

I remember him from Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me! He was pretty funny there.

greatauntoftriplets

(178,964 posts)
23. A good friend of mine is his first cousin.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:47 PM
Feb 2022

She had idea of seating me with him at one of the family weddings of her kids (she has six) so that I could spar with him on politics. Unfortunately, it never happened. I was there, but he never attended. It might have been interesting.

bif

(26,982 posts)
26. Wow! Very sad. I grew up with the National Lampoon!
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:10 PM
Feb 2022

And I have to say, I was shocked when he turned conservative.

bif

(26,982 posts)
29. I believe it was a short story that National Lampoon's Vacation is based
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:16 PM
Feb 2022

In the short story, the family lives on Rivard Blvd. in Grosse Pointe. That's the street I grew up on! But the address was something like 12 Rivard, which doesn't exist.

hlthe2b

(113,870 posts)
32. What a shame. I liked him, even if I disagreed politically on most.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:28 PM
Feb 2022
We'll miss your wit and intelligence.

90-percent

(6,956 posts)
34. a conservative comedian just came to mind
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:39 PM
Feb 2022

adam corolla. (partnered with jimmy kimmel a decade or two ago) back before our epidemic and fear and gullibility (which current republics strive for like its a good way to be.

or like finally coming out of their hateful racist ignorance and well, cant sugar coat this; dumbness.)

like when they're in the audience and everybody's laughing. he doesn't understand the joke, but laughs because everybody else is.

continuing to finish the beginning sentence, from "epidemic";

divided us into tribes, like something out of college anthropology. I don't think we wanna be tribes and warring. we want to like each other, but the psychopath narcissist cruel bastards ruin it. like pooty-poot. hes got the classic sadistic cruel greedy thieving mafioso moves just like so many other despots adolf Mussolini, stalin, trump, Pinochet, Franco idi amin, kahadiffi, mao, tucker carlson, etc.

and this history repeating how unnecessary wars get started by monsters at this very moment at (in?) Ukraine.

oh, Dennis Miller is another conservative comedian. used to love him, but he lost his mojo. he could not come up with funny stuff in the later part of his career, kinda like ted nugent, who is everything a human should not be.

joe piscopo.....

might be others, intelligence is job one for comedy and that's why most comedians are dems. some people are saying that.

-90% Jimmy

reACTIONary

(7,159 posts)
36. Conservative ? No. I would say....
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:46 PM
Feb 2022

.... libertarian going on libertine.

Glad I outlived the bastard!

Liberal In Texas

(16,259 posts)
38. Loved the National Lampoon Radio Hour and the N.Lampoon parodies.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 06:55 PM
Feb 2022

Used to record the radio show every week on an old clunky reel-to-reel machine. The parody "Bored of the Rings" had me and my college friends rolling on the floor. These may have been in pre-conservative days.

Damn cancer. Only 74.

sarchasm

(1,308 posts)
40. I prefer my conservatives to have a sense of humor.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:03 PM
Feb 2022

... at least I can relate in some small way.

Definately one of the good ones. A decent human being. He will be missed.

Xavier Breath

(6,639 posts)
42. He attended Miami University
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:10 PM
Feb 2022

just down the road a piece from me in Oxford, OH. I enjoyed listening to him on Wait...Wait... over the years. He would always tow the conservative line, true, but there were no sacred Republican cows with him.

Shrek

(4,421 posts)
50. "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work"
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:40 PM
Feb 2022

". . .and then they get elected and prove it."

Who here would disagree?

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
55. PJ O'Roarke: "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work.."
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 08:16 PM
Feb 2022

then they get elected and prove it".

Response to nolabear (Original post)

JI7

(93,575 posts)
57. What kills people is saying no difference between Bush and Gore
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 08:26 PM
Feb 2022

and saying Hillary is worse than Trump.

Response to nolabear (Reply #58)

Celerity

(54,336 posts)
76. The Atlantic is not a propaganda rag 'full of hate speech, racism, and purposeful disinformation
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 04:19 AM
Feb 2022
that kills people.'




RobinA

(10,478 posts)
62. He Was Hilariously
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 09:20 PM
Feb 2022

funny. He wrote a description of visiting an aircraft carrier, or some such, and it was the funniest thing I've ever read to this day.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
63. "If you think health care is expensive now, just wait 'til it's free."
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 09:38 PM
Feb 2022

Bwaa ha ha!!!

He was so funny.



The same people that think he's hilarious probably think "dead baby" and "AIDS" jokes are hilarious too.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
65. I can't speak for anyone else, but
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 10:09 PM
Feb 2022

I liked that he placed himself as an outsider watching the fight. I disagreed with many, MANY of his views but he was far from the stupid reactionaries on the current right. He liked to call out what he called out, and he did it with precision and a certain equanimity that could be shockingly funny.

He wasn’t a Hillary fan but he hated tfg. He skewered equally when he thought it deserved. National Lampoon under his hand made some godawful jokes, which was the point. I watched from the outside too and could dislike what I disliked and laugh at what either startled me into admiring its audacity or actually broke me up.

I appreciate your pov. I’m glad we can talk.

czarjak

(13,632 posts)
64. My Libertarian brother-in-law votes Republican and then swears he's not one! Dambedest thing.
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 10:01 PM
Feb 2022

Wolf Frankula

(3,833 posts)
71. Two more Peej quotes.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:00 AM
Feb 2022

"I thought Donald Trump was unstable and dangerous. I still do."

"A smart foreign policy is one that keeps you out of Afghanistan."

Wolf

PatrickforB

(15,420 posts)
72. Yes, our world is moving on. Do you remember the Can't Buy a Thrill album?
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:37 AM
Feb 2022

The song Midnite Cruiser:

Thelonius my old friend
Step on in and let me shake your hand
So glad that you're here again
For one more time
Let your madness run with mine
Streets still unseen we'll find somehow
No time is better than now

Tell me where are you driving
Midnight cruiser
Where is your bounty
Of fortune and fame
I am another
Gentlemen loser
Drive me to Harlem
Or somewhere the same

The world that we used to know
People tell me it don't turn no more
The places we used to go
Familiar faces that ain't smilin' like before
The time of our time has come and gone
I fear we been waiting too long

Tell me where are you driving
Midnight cruiser
Where is your bounty
Of fortune and fame
I am another
Gentlemen loser
Drive me to Harlem
Or somewhere the same

Or, as Roland of Gilead says in the Gunslinger, the world has moved on.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
73. I can hear it!
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:25 AM
Feb 2022

I take great pleasure in the fact that my kids have had a close cohort of friends since they all hung out at our house ( they’re in their mid thirties now). They all have different lives but can reach back and feel those times still.

Come to think of it though, if you move up into the twenties I have old friends and attachments too, so maybe it’s not all gone. And, being a writer, I’ve used a lot of it as material in fiction. That said, a whole lot that was always there…isn’t.

JohnnyRingo

(20,863 posts)
75. I'm truly saddened.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 04:08 AM
Feb 2022

"Holidays In Hell" about his foreign assignments is about the funniest thing I've ever read.
So is everything else he wrote.

Raise my glass to a great writer.

markbark

(1,631 posts)
77. Two quotes from him that stick in my head
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 08:39 AM
Feb 2022

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenaged boys

and

The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn.
The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
80. At our house the local newspaper, Rolling Stone, and Stereo Review were standard.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:32 PM
Feb 2022

PJ O'Roarke was a Rolling Stone regular who help the flamingest of young liberals to read and try to comprehend the other sides point of view, and he did it with biting sarcasm damn him! Moth to flames.

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