General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPJ O'Roarke has died.
He was a conservative, yes. But he wasnt nuts. He was a wonderful, biting satirist who was brave enough to be edgy, sometimes cringe-inducing, and no cow was sacred. He was editor of National Lampoon, which taught me more about that fact than anything.
The smart, brave, talented artists of my youth are walking on. I like the world still, but its less mine every day.
Peace, you old monster. 😢
Shrek
(4,421 posts)One of a kind.
Kali
(56,822 posts)I hear you.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)I don't remember what any of it was today though.
Xavier Breath
(6,639 posts)that showed his work and influence at the magazine. Of all the work discussed, the one item that stuck out most was the infamous Volkswagen parody ad, which landed the magazine a huge lawsuit from VW.
marie999
(3,334 posts)I'm not sure if it is okay to write the ad underneath?
Xavier Breath
(6,639 posts)It was creative in its way. But I'm going to err on the side of caution and not post it. Perhaps you're braver than me
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Can world peace be far behind?
lisa58
(5,809 posts)Because he knew trump was dangerous. I had a lot of respect for him.
Sneederbunk
(17,477 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,180 posts)I wish I could remember the details, but there was a chapter in one of his books that was just so hilariously funny. I think it was about a road trip. I just remember laughing until I thought I would split.
The losses come every day, it seems.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)He taught me to drive a sports car properly... for better or worse.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)Agreed, his views and mine did not match, but he I think put comedy above ideology and wouldn't say things that weren't funny just to promote conservatism.
Today's "conservative" comedians are banal and cruel. They have no humanity like O'Roarke did.
beaglelover
(4,465 posts)lame54
(39,725 posts)Always on Bill Maher
Never funny
ChazInAz
(3,017 posts)His "humor" was sledgehammer heavy handed, and as a conservative he always punched down with his attempts at satire.
I found him grievously unfunny.
frogmarch
(12,251 posts)eom
Clash City Rocker
(3,546 posts)He was a semi-regular on a great NPR show called Wait, Wait, Dont Tell Me. If youve never listened to it, you should, its hilarious. I remember hearing him (reluctantly) endorsing Hillary there. Like many old-school Republicans, he had some standards.
He crossed the line sometimes, but he was always funny, and there are few funny Republicans in the world, so I made allowances. Thankfully, Ben Stein is still around, so we havent run all the way out of funny Republicans, but theyre scarce.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Deeply sad.
electric_blue68
(26,835 posts)News Quiz show. It's very funny!
One of the best things is telling a news story along with two other fake stories and the phone in contestant has to pick
the true. Sometimes they are almost farcical, outlandish, or fantastical - even some of those turn to be true. 😄
You get quips from the panelists. They're special guests.
LisaM
(29,626 posts)I wouldn't call it an endorsement,. exactly.
electric_blue68
(26,835 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)But he was thoughtful, biting and really fucking funny. A giant of political satire.
thomski64
(930 posts),,hanging out at Mac 'n Joe's down the alley in Oxford. In '67
crickets
(26,168 posts)I used to look forward to his articles. They were long, entertaining, and informative journeys. Parliament of Whores also comes to mind. I often disagreed with him, but he was never boring.
Withywindle
(9,989 posts)At his best, he was like the conservative Hunter S. Thompson. I didn't agree with him, but he sure as hell could write, and I respect that.
ItsjustMe
(11,971 posts)Making fun of born-again Christians is like hunting dairy cows with a high powered rifle and scope.
― P.J. O'Rourke
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/14549850.P_J_O_Rourke
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
Journeyman
(15,445 posts)a fitting coda to lives well lived.
George II
(67,782 posts)Moostache
(11,171 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)A couple of my favorite writers were arch conservatives William F. Buckley and William Safire.
Both were biting, but neither overly nasty (although they could be at times) and not innately cruel or vicious. They could also listen to reason and discuss things civilly.
The Mouth
(3,414 posts)Don't deserve to be listened to, mere mocked, ignored and contravened.
BobTheSubgenius
(12,212 posts)He said "I think she's wrong about everything, but at least she's wrong within normal parameters."
In the moment, I thought "That's the best we're EVER going to get from him." And it was.
mountain grammy
(29,013 posts)Love him on Wait, Wait Dont Tell Me. Rest In Peace
BobTheSubgenius
(12,212 posts)Just the quote.
nuxvomica
(14,080 posts)Even when he was on Real Time or Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!, he pushed the conservative message but was always uneasy with the numberless excesses of the right, as any satirist would be. He always seemed a particularly affable fellow, wanting to laugh with you, not destroy you, which is rare among conservatives.
PurgedVoter
(2,715 posts)I think he was conservative by religious nature.
His book "Eat the Rich," examined other countries and tried to see why one government/economic system worked and prospered while another failed. If you read it and read between the lines you can see what he was trying to say to himself but could not hear. The countries that did well were countries with lower corruption. The countries with lower corruption were countries where compassion was expected from the leadership. O'Roarke documented this but never quite connected the dots.
Godspeed and rest in peace. You will always be a warning that brilliance can be blind.
philly_bob
(2,433 posts)WestMichRad
(3,233 posts)Thanks for that good insight!
LymphocyteLover
(9,817 posts)c-rational
(3,200 posts)sacrosanct judiciary, but I like the correlation with corruption. Thanks.
bahboo
(16,953 posts)seemed like you could actually have a discussion with him.
2naSalit
(102,663 posts)I remember him from Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me! He was pretty funny there.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,964 posts)She had idea of seating me with him at one of the family weddings of her kids (she has six) so that I could spar with him on politics. Unfortunately, it never happened. I was there, but he never attended. It might have been interesting.
bif
(26,982 posts)And I have to say, I was shocked when he turned conservative.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)His best work was at the National Lampoon.
bif
(26,982 posts)In the short story, the family lives on Rivard Blvd. in Grosse Pointe. That's the street I grew up on! But the address was something like 12 Rivard, which doesn't exist.
hlthe2b
(113,870 posts)90-percent
(6,956 posts)adam corolla. (partnered with jimmy kimmel a decade or two ago) back before our epidemic and fear and gullibility (which current republics strive for like its a good way to be.
or like finally coming out of their hateful racist ignorance and well, cant sugar coat this; dumbness.)
like when they're in the audience and everybody's laughing. he doesn't understand the joke, but laughs because everybody else is.
continuing to finish the beginning sentence, from "epidemic";
divided us into tribes, like something out of college anthropology. I don't think we wanna be tribes and warring. we want to like each other, but the psychopath narcissist cruel bastards ruin it. like pooty-poot. hes got the classic sadistic cruel greedy thieving mafioso moves just like so many other despots adolf Mussolini, stalin, trump, Pinochet, Franco idi amin, kahadiffi, mao, tucker carlson, etc.
and this history repeating how unnecessary wars get started by monsters at this very moment at (in?) Ukraine.
oh, Dennis Miller is another conservative comedian. used to love him, but he lost his mojo. he could not come up with funny stuff in the later part of his career, kinda like ted nugent, who is everything a human should not be.
joe piscopo.....
might be others, intelligence is job one for comedy and that's why most comedians are dems. some people are saying that.
-90% Jimmy
calimary
(89,951 posts)Sheesh - theyre dropping like fall leaves this year.
reACTIONary
(7,159 posts).... libertarian going on libertine.
Glad I outlived the bastard!
sky_masterson
(589 posts)RIP
Liberal In Texas
(16,259 posts)Used to record the radio show every week on an old clunky reel-to-reel machine. The parody "Bored of the Rings" had me and my college friends rolling on the floor. These may have been in pre-conservative days.
Damn cancer. Only 74.
sarchasm
(1,308 posts)... at least I can relate in some small way.
Definately one of the good ones. A decent human being. He will be missed.
Xavier Breath
(6,639 posts)just down the road a piece from me in Oxford, OH. I enjoyed listening to him on Wait...Wait... over the years. He would always tow the conservative line, true, but there were no sacred Republican cows with him.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)bcool
(233 posts)Shrek
(4,421 posts)". . .and then they get elected and prove it."
Who here would disagree?
whathehell
(30,460 posts)then they get elected and prove it".
Response to nolabear (Original post)
traitorsgalore This message was self-deleted by its author.
JI7
(93,575 posts)and saying Hillary is worse than Trump.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Response to nolabear (Reply #58)
traitorsgalore This message was self-deleted by its author.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Celerity
(54,336 posts)applegrove
(132,103 posts)RobinA
(10,478 posts)funny. He wrote a description of visiting an aircraft carrier, or some such, and it was the funniest thing I've ever read to this day.
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)Bwaa ha ha!!!
He was so funny.



The same people that think he's hilarious probably think "dead baby" and "AIDS" jokes are hilarious too.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)I liked that he placed himself as an outsider watching the fight. I disagreed with many, MANY of his views but he was far from the stupid reactionaries on the current right. He liked to call out what he called out, and he did it with precision and a certain equanimity that could be shockingly funny.
He wasnt a Hillary fan but he hated tfg. He skewered equally when he thought it deserved. National Lampoon under his hand made some godawful jokes, which was the point. I watched from the outside too and could dislike what I disliked and laugh at what either startled me into admiring its audacity or actually broke me up.
I appreciate your pov. Im glad we can talk.
czarjak
(13,632 posts)msdogi
(430 posts)One of my favorite books, amusing, irreverent. I always liked him.
FakeNoose
(41,544 posts)
Joinfortmill
(21,109 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,833 posts)"I thought Donald Trump was unstable and dangerous. I still do."
"A smart foreign policy is one that keeps you out of Afghanistan."
Wolf
PatrickforB
(15,420 posts)The song Midnite Cruiser:
Thelonius my old friend
Step on in and let me shake your hand
So glad that you're here again
For one more time
Let your madness run with mine
Streets still unseen we'll find somehow
No time is better than now
Tell me where are you driving
Midnight cruiser
Where is your bounty
Of fortune and fame
I am another
Gentlemen loser
Drive me to Harlem
Or somewhere the same
The world that we used to know
People tell me it don't turn no more
The places we used to go
Familiar faces that ain't smilin' like before
The time of our time has come and gone
I fear we been waiting too long
Tell me where are you driving
Midnight cruiser
Where is your bounty
Of fortune and fame
I am another
Gentlemen loser
Drive me to Harlem
Or somewhere the same
Or, as Roland of Gilead says in the Gunslinger, the world has moved on.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)I take great pleasure in the fact that my kids have had a close cohort of friends since they all hung out at our house ( theyre in their mid thirties now). They all have different lives but can reach back and feel those times still.
Come to think of it though, if you move up into the twenties I have old friends and attachments too, so maybe its not all gone. And, being a writer, Ive used a lot of it as material in fiction. That said, a whole lot that was always there
isnt.
JohnnyRingo
(20,863 posts)"Holidays In Hell" about his foreign assignments is about the funniest thing I've ever read.
So is everything else he wrote.
Raise my glass to a great writer.
markbark
(1,631 posts)Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenaged boys
and
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn.
The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)PJ O'Roarke was a Rolling Stone regular who help the flamingest of young liberals to read and try to comprehend the other sides point of view, and he did it with biting sarcasm damn him! Moth to flames.