I'm worried about DOJ,

[gab13by13]

Day 62 since the Mark Meadows criminal referral.
Day 34 since the Michigan AG criminal referral re: fake electors and with the select committee subpoenaing people involved in the fake electoral scheme, tells me DOJ will not act. Go get em Michigan AG, it's on you.

Not sure how many days, I didn't keep track, for the National Archives to request DOJ investigate the stolen, damaged, burned, torn up, flushed government documents that by law must be preserved. National Archives should have investigated the case instead of giving it to DOJ. It is also being reported that Trump didn't turn in all of the documents, he is probably destroying the ones that incriminate him. I guess we should wait until he is finished going over the rest of the classified documents?

[sinkingfeeling]

1. The break in at the DNC happened in June 1972. Grand jury indictments came in March 1974.

[gab13by13]

5. How many people were indicted? 40?

A White House counsel went to jail, AG, numerous cabinet members went to jail. Garland needs to copy Watergate and create a special grand jury. If DOJ isn't even investigating, it's going to take longer than 2 years to indict anyone of consequence.

No, I'm looking at your sig line and agreeing. Every time I see the select committee subpoena someone, that tells me that DOJ isn't interested. The select committee is now subpoenaing people involved in the fake elector scheme, if DOJ had taken the referral from The Michigan AG no way would the select committee interfere with a DOJ investigation.

What's the excuse for the blatant violation of not preserving White House documents? What good does waiting do while not all of the documents have been returned? Why allow Trump to destroy more documents?

[edhopper]

11. You ignore how long before they knew

Nixon and Creep were behind it, the Saturday Night Massacre and the Timeline of the Congressional hearings.

There is not a parallel timeline here.

[Poiuyt]

2. I think the problem is that the laws in this country are written so loosely that

anyone with money can get around them.

Either that or Garland doesn't have the stomach for a fight.

[Brainfodder]

21. Sounds about spot on to me.

[secondwind]

3. DOJ has a full plate... they know what they are doing....

As of April 2021, they had charged at least 400 people in the Capitol riot... I think they're up in the 700's by now..
This is a BIG FUCKING DEAL........and they need to get this right...

[gab13by13]

7. What do they need to get right about

not preserving White House documents? Trump destroyed documents for years. Trump broke the law that, by the way, was written because of Watergate, Nixon tried to hide the tapes. What good does it do to write a law to prevent hiding or destroying White House documents if law enforcement isn't going to enforce the law?

[Joinfortmill]

22. I agree.

But, boy oh boy, time is passing. I don't believe for a minute that Garland is doing nothing, but the country is getting justifiably antsy. We need an indictment of a big fish. Hope it comes soon.

[SeattleVet]

4. I'm not too worried...the DoJ is always tight-lipped on what's happening in active investigations.

But once the background investigative stuff is done, and all of the 'i's are dotted and the 't's crossed, things tend to take off pretty quickly.

Seems like every day is bringing forward new revelations and evidence, which is being corroborated by many others, and I'd be very surprised if the busy little beavers at DoJ are just sitting around. They definitely want to have as airtight a case as possible. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

[gab13by13]

9. They are not investigating.

The select committee just subpoenaed people who were involved in the fake elector scheme. 34 days ago the Michigan AG referred the fake electoral case to her regional federal attorney. Some time ago Deputy AG Lisa Monaco came out and said that DOJ was investigating the referral. If DOJ were investigating, the select committee would not be stepping on their toes. Why isn't the select committee keeping mum about what it is doing? It just subpoenaed 6 people involved in the electoral scheme, DOJ is not investigating.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Rudy is being investigated by the DOJ, and just agreed to meet with the committee

While state and federal prosecutors typically go through “de conflicting” of shared investigations, that’s not necessarily the case between DOJ and congressional investigations. You just posted elsewhere in this thread that there should be parallel investigations, so which is it?

You simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

[MustBeTheBooz]

6. Ain't nothing gonna happen. N/T

[WheelWalker]

8. Horseshit.

[gab13by13]

12. The primaries are here,

there isn't much time before DOJ shuts down for the election.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. You simply don't know what you're talking about. Nt

[Silent3]

19. That's an actual, real DoJ policy, to avoid announcing investigations or indictments...

...of political figures up for election in close proximity to those elections.

(Jim Comey "conveniently" ignored that policy when it came to announcing what turned out to be a big nothing burger about Clinton's email just before the 2016.)

Slow action on investigating and prosecuting high-level 1/6 collaborators, who are still actively working and working hard to stage the next coup, such that Republicans face no serious consequences before the November elections, strengthens the hand of the coup plotters.

It's already likely too late for anyone, such as Republican representatives and Senators who were in league with the insurrectionists, to be convicted before November. There's precious little time left for any of them to even be charged before November.

Do you think carefully putting together the absolute most perfect possible case, instead of pushing a "merely" very good case faster, is really justifiable when our democracy itself is on the line?

[Fiendish Thingy]

20. I believe Labor Day is the traditional cut off for announcing prosecutions of elected officials

Chris Collins was indicted for insider trading on August 8, 2018.

The committee will hold televised hearings in the spring, which will include an examination of the role sitting legislators played in the coup. The committee will then issue their final report and make criminal referrals to DOJ.

The timeline for indicting current office holders/office seekers this year may be tight, but the evidence will be in the public domain for voters to weigh (and opponents to use).

There is no such deadline for indicting coup conspirators who are not office holders or running in the 2022 elections.

That includes Trump’s inner circle (Meadows, Giuliani, Eastman, etc), most of the fraudulent electors, and Trump himself.

I have no expectation that there will be any convictions of coup conspirators this year, and that doesn’t bother me. I do think we will see some indictments/plea bargains/cooperation agreements of those not holding/running for office before the end of the year, with at least some of the trials occurring sometime in 2023.

[Silent3]

24. "no expectation that there will be any convictions of coup conspirators this year" in not...

...something for which I can say "and that doesn’t bother me". I think that's a big deal, and not a good thing.

There are Republicans running for office specifically as promoters of the Big Lie, for important positions like Secretary of State, who would gain control over state and local elections. If those people are among the 1/6 guilty, yet aren't charged or convicted in a timely manner, or don't have their reputations trashed by close connections with the charged and convicted, our democracy becomes less secure.

If we don't beat the headwinds of voter suppression, Biden's (totally unjustified) unpopularity, and historically low turnout for Democrats in midterms when a Democrat is President, Republicans most likely gain the House. If that happens, they will obstruct everything Biden wants to do for the next two years, they will vindictively wield their power to investigate and subpoena, and they simply will not certify the victory of anyone but a Republican President in 2024.

[Fiendish Thingy]

25. We agree the stakes are high, we just disagree on the significance of the prosecution timeline.

Even if indictments are put on hold during the fall election season, they won’t be postponed if the defendant is a sitting representative.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. DoJ may be letting NY and Georgia break the ice. . . . nt

[gab13by13]

14. I feel bad for the Fulton County DA

DOJ could have run a parallel investigation. I hope they are giving her enough protection.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. How do you know the DoJ is not? Insider info? . . . nt

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. I'm not worried that you are worried. How many days since the following:

SCOTUS ruling on Trump’s privilege claim?

DOJ indictments of Oathkeepers leadership for seditious conspiracy?

Testimony of top Pence aides, including COS Marc Short?

National Archives referral of Trump records violations to DOJ?

State AG referrals of fraudulent electors crimes to the Archives for investigation?

Revelation of memos to seize voting machines?

Announcement of Rudy’s cooperation with the committee?

Answer: all of these events occurred in 2022, some just last week, one today.

Your uninformed impatience only reveals how little you know about the elements of successful federal prosecutions.

One example: the delay to indict Meadows is actually a good thing, since an indictment for contempt now would entitle Meadows to full discovery, and he could share the revealed evidence with other defendants, as Bannon is doing now. Meadows, however, has much more exposure and available evidence, since he was in the room with Trump when the coup was planned, and so starting the discovery process now could dramatically and negatively impact prosecutions of other defendants.

The fact is, Meadows is certain to be indicted for other crimes besides contempt. The committee has recently made statements implying they have the goods on the subpoena defiers, and they may not need their testimony after all (although I’m sure Rudy could share some juicy tidbits about Meadows’ role in the coup!).

If you’d like to worry less, check out this link:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/07/why-to-delay-a-mark-meadows-indictment-bannon-is-using-his-contempt-prosecution-to-monitor-the-ongoing-january-6-investigation/

[Joinfortmill]

23. Thank you very much.