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cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:57 AM Feb 2022

DC Bill looks to ban bacon from people in hospitals.

https://lims.dccouncil.us/Legislation/B24-0660

With this legislation, the District would build on its legacy of improving nutritional requirements in institutional settings by requiring hospitals to serve healthy foods and beverages to patients, staff, and visitors. Meals available at the hospital would need to include a variety of healthy foods, including vegetarian and 100% plant-based meals, and meals that are low in saturated fat, sodium, and added sugars.

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Really... is this the kind of thing we ought to be focused on? Regulating vending machines in hospitals and outlawing pork products for hospice patients (and thier visitors)?
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DC Bill looks to ban bacon from people in hospitals. (Original Post) cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 OP
What nanny state nonsense AnyFunctioningAdult Feb 2022 #1
Not a big deal, imo, except for those who want to complain. : elleng Feb 2022 #2
I'm all for it. MLAA Feb 2022 #3
Most hospitals already do that iemanja Feb 2022 #4
I have no issue with it being a hospital rule. cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #6
Well said. SharonClark Feb 2022 #8
It sure is unusual in Germany. DFW Feb 2022 #27
right after my heart cath I had sullsberry steak dsc Feb 2022 #35
When I had my first big operation in Germany, the hospital served leftovers from WWII POW camps DFW Feb 2022 #38
wow dsc Feb 2022 #43
Every time I've been in a hospital in Germany DFW Feb 2022 #47
instead of talking about banning unhealthy food... bahboo Feb 2022 #5
Because Nannies don't promote choice, they like to force it. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #17
A hospital isn't a restaurant. Want choices go to Chili's. JanMichael Feb 2022 #23
You could not be more correct. cinematicdiversions Mar 2022 #48
Promotoing healthy food? DFW Feb 2022 #39
Oh yes. This might easily flvegan Feb 2022 #7
Give us your thoughts on... ret5hd Feb 2022 #16
Oh, oh. Fumble mouth Chuck Grassley will whine SharonClark Feb 2022 #9
But what if I get the munchies while smoking a doobie in my ICU room? struggle4progress Feb 2022 #10
In a hospital? Why not? When I had my surgery 2 years ago my diet was closely regulated... Hekate Feb 2022 #11
The issue is lawmakers interjecting themselves in medical matters and micromanaging JHB Feb 2022 #26
That I can agree with Hekate Feb 2022 #42
Yes, we should be focused on this NJCher Feb 2022 #12
Makes sense to me. Disaffected Feb 2022 #13
They should if the care about health Raine Feb 2022 #14
I don't eat red meat or pork but that's a personal choice malaise Feb 2022 #19
I guess some feel it's justification for the R's to take D.C. self rule away if they win. denbot Feb 2022 #15
Nobody else thought, oh of course making bacon from people should be banned? betsuni Feb 2022 #18
LOL! Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!! Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #25
Are you a resident of the District of Columbia? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2022 #20
I am glad you feel that way. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #22
They sell biodegradable bags for dog messes. Not very expensive at all and they Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #24
You don't need to bag shit for 300 years. CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #31
Our local hospital uses a catering service and the food is quite good (fresh) for a hospital. eShirl Feb 2022 #21
Although I love lobster rolls DFW Feb 2022 #28
If I'm receiving palliative care and I want bacon DenaliDemocrat Feb 2022 #29
Well this is the rub of course. cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #30
or simply if your medical issue is not diet related Amishman Feb 2022 #34
It's also the kind of shit they mock us for DenaliDemocrat Feb 2022 #45
Why do we pick loser issues like this? CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #32
Because some of us cannot help themselves. cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #33
I like my bacon, but some people are in the hospital because of bacon. panader0 Feb 2022 #36
I am pro-ANYTHING that reduces the number of pigs slaughtered. n/t Coventina Feb 2022 #37
No, I'm not EVEN going to bite on this bait. MineralMan Feb 2022 #40
Cut to video of Ted Cruz frying bacon wrapped around the muzzle of an assault rifle... Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2022 #41
People are dying and they can't have bacon? Renew Deal Feb 2022 #44
Hospitals serving healthy food? WTF? Voltaire2 Feb 2022 #46

elleng

(130,619 posts)
2. Not a big deal, imo, except for those who want to complain. :
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:06 AM
Feb 2022

'implement a 2017 resolution passed by the American Medical Association that calls on U.S. hospitals to improve the health of patients, staff, and visitors by providing plant-based meals, removing processed meat such as bacon and hot dogs, and serving healthful beverages.'

MLAA

(17,229 posts)
3. I'm all for it.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:09 AM
Feb 2022

Husband had bypass surgery and it was nearly impossible to get him healthy food at the hospital. And I ate the same tired veggie burger for lunch often during his nearly 4 week stay.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
6. I have no issue with it being a hospital rule.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:14 AM
Feb 2022

I just think the city has no place in regulating hospital meals and vending machines.

If the hospital themselves want to do it, I say go for it.

DFW

(54,253 posts)
27. It sure is unusual in Germany.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:24 AM
Feb 2022

After I had my stents put in, the cardiologist had my wife in and went though my new diet, starting immediately. Full stop to ANY red meat, as all of it is high in the bad (LDL) cholesterol. This was in the morning. For lunch was roast beef.

Ha, ha, sehr witzig. Nothing like treating the recommendation of their own doctors like a joke to be ignored.

dsc

(52,146 posts)
35. right after my heart cath I had sullsberry steak
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:12 AM
Feb 2022

which isn't even a favorite of mine to be honest. It was the better of the two options they had. Left to my own devices I am a pretty rare red meat eater and now I am cutting it pretty much completely.

DFW

(54,253 posts)
38. When I had my first big operation in Germany, the hospital served leftovers from WWII POW camps
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:31 AM
Feb 2022

Or so it seemed. It was awful. It was in Erlangen, way down south in Bavaria. My wife came down to visit, and with the help of the wife of my roomie, a local, went out and brought back in a Chinese feast. A couple of nurses happened by while we were pigging out, and their eyes nearly popped out of their head. Real food! In a HOSPITAL!! Das ist ein SKANDAL!!

dsc

(52,146 posts)
43. wow
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:09 AM
Feb 2022

I have to say my food was very good, I was pleasantly surprised. I only had 3 meals (one dinner, one breakfast, and one lunch) but all three were actually pretty good.

DFW

(54,253 posts)
47. Every time I've been in a hospital in Germany
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:15 PM
Feb 2022

The food was such that fasting was an attractive alternative.

The last time my wife was in for escaping “the murderer,” she was in for nearly a month, recovering from a brutal 6 hour operation, and waiting for the results of the 84 biopsies they took (all negative, surgeon said first time he’d ever seen that after a “the murderer” diagnosis). After two weeks of hospital food, my wife beseeched me to find a Thai place and bring her a spicy papaya salad, even though as he was told to lay off spicy food for a while. She said that after two weeks of eating cardboard and cotton, she would take her chances. So far, she has survived, and that was over five years ago.

bahboo

(16,296 posts)
5. instead of talking about banning unhealthy food...
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:12 AM
Feb 2022

why not talk about promoting healthy food. Make it the primary choice...

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
17. Because Nannies don't promote choice, they like to force it.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:59 AM
Feb 2022

Giving healthy as an option means people could make a choice the Nannies don’t agree with; and that is unacceptable to authoritarians.

“You make the choices WE want you to make peon!!!”

JanMichael

(24,868 posts)
23. A hospital isn't a restaurant. Want choices go to Chili's.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 08:17 AM
Feb 2022

Want a stent go to a hospital.

I can also see the hospital and the insurance company is saying you've got a captive audience in a hospital; the workers.

Since a good number of the people in the hospital are there because of their s***** diet I can understand the independent entity saying we're not going to contribute to that. If you want to barbecue sandwich go to the barbecue restaurant.

And the weird use of nannies here throws me off a little bit. Why the f*** do people go to hospitals in the first place? Because they need help. Unless of course like that character in a Little shop of horrors that goes to the dentist because it feels good.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
48. You could not be more correct.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:07 AM
Mar 2022

Choice is fine as long as only the right approved choices are available. Dissent will be brutally shamed.

DFW

(54,253 posts)
39. Promotoing healthy food?
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:32 AM
Feb 2022

In a HOSPITAL?? Are you nuts? You are going against a century-old international tradition, here.

flvegan

(64,402 posts)
7. Oh yes. This might easily
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:18 AM
Feb 2022

turn into my favorite DU thread in a long time.

I wish you many responses and much discussion.

ret5hd

(20,477 posts)
16. Give us your thoughts on...
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:34 AM
Feb 2022

bacon consumption while breastfeeding and/or performing a circumcision. Please…I think it will be an important addition to this topic!

Hekate

(90,479 posts)
11. In a hospital? Why not? When I had my surgery 2 years ago my diet was closely regulated...
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:29 AM
Feb 2022

… to an extent that kind of surprised me. And it was all tasty, too.

When I had an emergency appendectomy 25 years ago and was deathly ill, I understood the jello and broth the first 2 days, but after that it was really bad — like slap two slices of white bread on the tray with a macaroni meal kind of bad.

As for what “we” are focusing on — what “we” is this? It’s not the US House and Senate, am I right? It’s the City of Washington DC, or did I read that wrong?



JHB

(37,148 posts)
26. The issue is lawmakers interjecting themselves in medical matters and micromanaging
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:04 AM
Feb 2022

Nobody has a problem with the hospital or hospice determining their nutritional guidelines.

But this is legislation submitted to a city council. Why does the hospital need their input (or, if it passes, requirements). And what precedents does it set for other medical matters?

Disaffected

(4,535 posts)
13. Makes sense to me.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 02:10 AM
Feb 2022

I spent time in hospital getting a stent - had side effects from the meds (probably the Lipitor) so spent two weeks there. The food was "healthy" I guess but I'm willing to bet there was not a single molecule of sodium chloride in the entire ward and finding fat in the food would also be a challenge. As a result, the food was flat, bland and favourless. About the only things that tasted any good at all were ketchup in the packets and custard in the prepackaged cups. White bread and butter were also verboten and absent.

So, on my last night there, I asked if it would be OK to order something in from Uber Eats and to my surprise the nurse said OK. I ordered a Big Mac and 20 minutes later it was delivered right to my bed side! Nobody said anything about it but I cannot help but think what the nurses might have been thinking.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
14. They should if the care about health
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 02:13 AM
Feb 2022

pork is not healthy it's one of the worst, meat is not healthy in general.

malaise

(268,539 posts)
19. I don't eat red meat or pork but that's a personal choice
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:06 AM
Feb 2022

That said, isn’t bacon full of salt - and how is that good for sick people?

denbot

(9,897 posts)
15. I guess some feel it's justification for the R's to take D.C. self rule away if they win.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 02:30 AM
Feb 2022

That would be handy in the next Inserection. I'm sure the OP has other reasons to pump that meme here though..

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
20. Are you a resident of the District of Columbia?
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:07 AM
Feb 2022

and if so, are you planning on being in hospital, anytime soon?

If the answer to both of those questions is "no", then I am at a loss as to why you care about this.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
22. I am glad you feel that way.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:32 AM
Feb 2022

Some places have banned plastic bags and that works for them. Where I live you can get them at the grocery store; which I love as I need a large collection of them for dog messes.

It might work in those places, but not here. I am so glad I won’t hear you complaining I can still have a plastic bag; as you won’t be planning on living in my area anyway.

I like your view of:

“Don’t live there? Then not your problem.”

Scrivener7

(50,889 posts)
24. They sell biodegradable bags for dog messes. Not very expensive at all and they
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 08:48 AM
Feb 2022

won't still be polluting the earth in a thousand years in the form of microplastics that make their way into every food and water source.


 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
31. You don't need to bag shit for 300 years.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:59 AM
Feb 2022

Seriously. Someday there is going to be an alien life form that is going to visit us after we destroy ourselves and they are going to wonder why we preserved dog shit in bags for hundreds of years.


Biodegradable bags.

eShirl

(18,477 posts)
21. Our local hospital uses a catering service and the food is quite good (fresh) for a hospital.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:18 AM
Feb 2022

My late husband would always get the lobster roll once a day during his stays.

DFW

(54,253 posts)
28. Although I love lobster rolls
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:29 AM
Feb 2022

i think if my cardiologists saw me eating one after either of my heart "incidents," they would have handed me a pistol, and said, "here, try this. It's quicker."

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
30. Well this is the rub of course.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:53 AM
Feb 2022

As I said, I have no issues with hospitals passing such rules for themselves.

But what possible business is it of the city if the sweet roll is vegan or the salt content of the mashed potatoes.

Amishman

(5,551 posts)
34. or simply if your medical issue is not diet related
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:10 AM
Feb 2022

If I'm in for back surgery, if I want a piece or two of bacon for breakfast or in a sandwich, that shouldn't be a problem. It is absolutely possible to include a small amount of bacon as part of an overall healthy meal. My lunch from a few days ago was a good example; smoked chicken lunch meat with two pieces of bacon and some pepperjack cheese and a dash of chipotle hot sauce, on a wheat roll. I had home made apple chips with it.

This is a load of crap and a waste of time and resources.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
45. It's also the kind of shit they mock us for
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:02 PM
Feb 2022

And they are kind of right to do it. I already have a mom, I don’t need someone else acting in her stead

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
32. Why do we pick loser issues like this?
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:01 AM
Feb 2022

Seriously. Let the hospitals set their guidelines. Why do we give them talking points like this?

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
33. Because some of us cannot help themselves.
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:05 AM
Feb 2022

It is really one of the biggest issues progressives have. See also the San Francisco school board recall. Different issues, same attitude.,

Renew Deal

(81,835 posts)
44. People are dying and they can't have bacon?
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:18 AM
Feb 2022

No bacon might kill them sooner from draining the remaining joy from life.

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