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Nevilledog

(51,064 posts)
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:18 PM Feb 2022

You'll Never Believe It but Hillary Clinton Did Not, in Fact, Spy On Trump's White House



Tweet text:

Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
Trump & Fox are desperately spinning up a fake scandal to distract from his real ones. So it's a day that ends in Y.

The more his misdeeds are exposed, the more they lie.

For those interested in reality, here's a good debunking of their latest nonsense.

vanityfair.com
You’ll Never Believe It but Hillary Clinton Did Not, in Fact, Spy On Trump’s White House
In less breaking news, Donald Trump remains a moron.
12:48 PM · Feb 16, 2022


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-white-house-spying

No paywall
https://archive.fo/Dub0W

Imagine, if you will, that a special counsel appointed by the federal government declared in a court filing that he had evidence that a major political figure—let’s call her Hillary Clinton—had paid spies to infiltrate the White House and run surveillance on Donald Trump in order to frame him as a foreign asset. The whole thing would be a big flipping deal! One for which there would be major, major consequences and far-reaching fallout. The country, nay, the world would be gripped by the story, and for good reason—a former candidate for office spying on the president? In the White House? That would be crazy! And you’re right—it would be crazy if something like that had actually happened. Which it didn’t, though unfortunately for reason, logic, and the concept of the truth, Donald Trump, Fox News, and various other deranged conservatives cannot be convinced of that.

Yes, as you’ve probably heard, on Saturday the former president released a statement claiming “Special Counsel Robert Durham”—he meant to say “John Durham” but was apparently too angry to keep his Johns and his Roberts straight—had uncovered “indisputable evidence that my campaign and presidency were spied on by operatives paid by the Hillary Clinton Campaign in an effort to develop a completely fabricated connection to Russia,” a “scandal far greater in scope and magnitude than Watergate” for which Trump suggested those involved should be executed but would settle for criminal prosecution. The problem? Neither Robert Durham nor John Durham nor anyone else for that matter had actually provided evidence of any such crime, let alone even suggested it.

Per The New York Times:

When John H. Durham, the Trump-era special counsel investigating the inquiry into Russia’s 2016 election interference, filed a pretrial motion on Friday night, he slipped in a few extra sentences that set off a furor among right-wing outlets about purported spying on former President Donald J. Trump. But the entire narrative appeared to be mostly wrong or old news—the latest example of the challenge created by a barrage of similar conspiracy theories from Mr. Trump and his allies.

The latest example began with the motion Mr. Durham filed in a case he has brought against Michael A. Sussmann, a cybersecurity lawyer with links to the Democratic Party. The prosecutor has accused Mr. Sussmann of lying during a September 2016 meeting with an F.B.I. official about Mr. Trump’s possible links to Russia. The filing was ostensibly about potential conflicts of interest. But it also recounted a meeting at which Mr. Sussmann had presented other suspicions to the government. In February 2017, Mr. Sussmann told the C.I.A. about odd internet data suggesting that someone using a Russian-made smartphone may have been connecting to networks at Trump Tower and the White House, among other places.


According to the filing, Sussmann had gotten his information from technology executive Rodney Joffe, whose company, Neustar, had performed server-related work for the White House. In Durham’s estimation, Joffe and his colleagues had “exploited this arrangement by mining [certain records] for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump.” Fox News took this line from Durham’s filing and ran with it, claiming Durham had said he had found that the Clinton campaign had paid the technology company to “infiltrate” White House servers. The lack of similarly baseless claims from the mainstream media led Trump to declare “The press refuses to even mention the major crime that took place. This in itself is a scandal, the fact that a story so big, so powerful and so important for the future of our nation is getting zero coverage from LameStream, is being talked about all over the world.”

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You'll Never Believe It but Hillary Clinton Did Not, in Fact, Spy On Trump's White House (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2022 OP
Nope . . ... Lovie777 Feb 2022 #1
Flashback to March, 2017 Ponietz Feb 2022 #2
K&R, FAUX News will claim Clinton shot Abe Lincoln and 85% of MAGA will believe it without question uponit7771 Feb 2022 #3
K&R, FAUX News will claim Clinton killed Cleopratra .... not Cleo's suicide with a ASP. Trueblue1968 Feb 2022 #11
I knew she would come Cha Feb 2022 #4
The more outlandish they get BootinUp Feb 2022 #5
Turns out Rudy's spank bank consists of a double nothingburger Blue Owl Feb 2022 #6
Oh that's too funny.. I called it Cha Feb 2022 #8
Ha! Blue Owl Feb 2022 #15
Lol.! Cha Feb 2022 #18
One of TFCG's NOTHING Cha Feb 2022 #7
When they have to fall back to Hillary, you know We have them in panic mode. Tommymac Feb 2022 #9
THIS Talitha Feb 2022 #14
bad as air craft carrier's just after 1776 independence day ? monkeyman1 Feb 2022 #10
She sure is a busy, well connected, talented woman appleannie1 Feb 2022 #12
Too bad this isn't being read by the millions who have posted Boomerproud Feb 2022 #13
Well, I never trusted her after she adopted that alien's baby! struggle4progress Feb 2022 #16
Oh God ismnotwasm Feb 2022 #17
K&R. William769 Feb 2022 #19
Blaming democrats is such a knee-jerk reaction TlalocW Feb 2022 #20

Cha

(297,123 posts)
8. Oh that's too funny.. I called it
Thu Feb 17, 2022, 12:38 AM
Feb 2022

a NOTHING burger, too. before I read your reply.

That settles it.. it's a NOTHING burger.

I've never said that about anything.. though I've read it here about other things.. but I thought of trump and his damn hamberders he served to the Clemson Tigers in Jan 2019.

Blue Owl

(50,347 posts)
15. Ha!
Thu Feb 17, 2022, 02:30 AM
Feb 2022

I never use that ‘nothingburger’ term either — but clearly it fits the bill for ‘ol Rudy!



Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
9. When they have to fall back to Hillary, you know We have them in panic mode.
Thu Feb 17, 2022, 12:40 AM
Feb 2022

TFG's accounting firm pulling out is HUGE.

Maybe this event caught them with their pants down so all they had left in the maskarova barrel was the old tired standby 'But Hillary' once again.



appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
12. She sure is a busy, well connected, talented woman
Thu Feb 17, 2022, 01:17 AM
Feb 2022

1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.
2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.
4. She’s a lesbian.
5. Chelsea isn’t Bill Clinton’s child.
6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.
7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.
8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.
9. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state’s top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.
10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.
11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.
12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.
13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.
14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.
15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren’t classified at the time.
16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by “technically” complying with it.
17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.
18. Donald Trump says she “should be in jail,” and he’s a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.
19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his “law-enforcement sources” tell him she is “about to be indicted” — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn’t have good law-enforcement sources, who does?
20. She’s a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.
21. She’s a conservative “mousewife” who refused to break up her own family.
22. She’s in favor of single moms.
23. She refused to be a single mom.
24. When she was first lady of Arkansas, she pandered to conservative voters by dyeing her hair.
25. Before that, she totally insulted them by refusing to.
26. She’s a frump.
27. She spends too much money on designer dresses.
28. She has “cankles.”
29. She has a grating voice.
30. She yells into the microphone.
31. She spent 18 years in Arkansas and some of the people she knew turned out to be crazy rednecks and crooks.
32. She’s in the pay of the mafia.
33. She’s in the pay of the Chinese government.
34. She’s in the pay of the Wall Street banks.
35. In order to suppress the billing records from her time at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, she cleverly packed them up and took them to the White House rather than shredding them.
36. When she handed over the documents to public officials, they couldn’t find any evidence she’d committed any crimes, so she must have doctored them.
37. Congress spent tens of millions of dollars and six years investigating her investment in the Whitewater real-estate project, and, while they didn’t actually find anything, they wouldn’t have spent all that money if there weren’t something there.
38. By cleverly hiding all evidence of her crimes in the Whitewater affair, she caused Congress to waste all that taxpayers’ money.
39. When she ran for senator of New York, she was still a fan of the Chicago Cubs.
40. She once said the Clintons were thinking of adopting a child, and they didn’t follow through.
41. She was photographed holding her hand near her mouth during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
42. She’s got brain damage.
43. She’s old.
44. She’s really ambitious and calculating, unlike all the other people running for president.
45. She secretly supported Palestinian terrorists, Puerto Rican terrorists and Guatemalan terrorists.
46. She secretly supported a group that wants to give Maine back to the Indians.
47. She’s a secret follower of “radical prophet” Saul Alinsky.
48. She did her law degree at Yale, and it’s a well-known “socialist finishing school.”
49. When she was young, she did things to build up her résumé rather than just for their own good.
50. When Bill was president, she “allowed” him to keep people waiting.
51. She’s married to a sex addict.
52. She’s an enemy of traditional marriage.
53. She didn’t divorce her husband.
54. His philandering is her fault because she is too strong, and too weak, and too frumpy, and too fat, and too cold.
55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband.
56. A divorced taxi driver in Florida told me that if Hillary is elected president, “women will take over everything.”
57. She insulted Tammy Wynette.
58. When they left the White House, she and Bill bought a big house in New York that they couldn’t afford.
59. She sometimes calls her staff during dinner, even when they’re out at a restaurant.
60. She claimed there was a “vast right-wing conspiracy” against her husband, and it turned out there was nothing but a bunch of tycoons financing private investigators, and some fake think tanks and books and news sites and stuff.
61. When she got married, she didn’t “stay at home and bake cookies.”
62. She supported the Iraq war because she’s a secret foreign-policy conservative.
63. She’s a secret foreign-policy radical with a plan to impose worldwide “radical social experimentation” through the World Bank.
64. She is secretly plotting to let children sue their parents for making them take out the garbage.
65. She looked bored during the Benghazi hearings.
66. Oh, yeah — and she totally has a vagina.
It’s clear: Hillary must be stopped. Hearings now!
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/all-the-terrible-things-hillary-clinton-has-done-in-one-big-list-2016-02-04

Boomerproud

(7,951 posts)
13. Too bad this isn't being read by the millions who have posted
Thu Feb 17, 2022, 01:48 AM
Feb 2022

this garbage in comments sections or on talk radio or wherever. She's listed in every conspiracy theory . The consequences have been real and tragic.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
17. Oh God
Thu Feb 17, 2022, 01:52 PM
Feb 2022

I was in a patients room. This particular patient has fairly severe mental disease but is mostly functional. They had Fox News on. Went into a long, paranoid diatribe about Hillary Clinton and her massive spying campaign as well as other sundry Hillary disarrangement syndrome bullshit.

I swear I had a post traumatic flashback from 2016.

Good news is that they “didn’t think Trump should be president”



TlalocW

(15,379 posts)
20. Blaming democrats is such a knee-jerk reaction
Thu Feb 17, 2022, 03:23 PM
Feb 2022

I remember living in Tulsa when one of Oklahoma's senators tried to blame Ruby Ridge on Clinton. I actually wrote a letter to the editor pointing out his mistake, and I got a care package from a local white supremacy group in response.

Then there's this classic



TlalocW
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