Devastating new poll for Trump. Repubs who side with Pence on 2020 election: 52% With Trump: 36%

[Doodley]

This poll signals that the Trump bubble has burst.


A Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday found that 72 percent of all Americans, including a 52 percent majority of Republicans, said that Pence's view on the topic was closer to their "line of thinking."

"Could Pence have overturned the election as ordered by Trump?" Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy asked in a statement. "Pence said no, and a large majority of voters agree, including 52 percent of Republicans, exhibiting a rare break in the GOP lockstep with Trump."

While most Republicans said they sided with Pence, 36 percent said they agreed with Trump, and another 12 percent were undecided. The poll was conducted among 1,321 U.S. adults between February 10 and February 14 and had a 2.7 percent margin of error.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/more-republicans-side-with-pence-than-trump-in-2020-election-dispute-poll/ar-AATY5OH?ocid=msedgntp

[riversedge]

1. umm...Trump still has about-- that reliable 35% base intact-per this poll.

[hlthe2b]

9. Actually, not necessarily. 36% of REPUBLICANS polled (single poll fallacy notwithstanding)

sided with Trump. So, that does reflect some movement within the self-defined R's. It will be interesting to see if any other polls show similar trends.

[Silver Gaia]

11. Thank you. I was just about to post the same thing.

And we don't know the ratio of D to R in this poll, so we can't know what percentage this is of the whole. I also hope to see subsequent polls that support this finding. My "finger in the wind" feels it's about right, though.

[lagomorph777]

15. Very few non-Reptilians believe the Big Lie, so Trump is really sinking.

Assuming this poll is nearly accurate.

[Silver Gaia]

17. Yup. My take is the same.

[riversedge]

13. oops. Thanks for the very important correction

[uponit7771]

33. +1, he only needs about 20% to affect the voting in every county in America. The GQP is stuck

... with this sociopath

[exboyfil]

2. They should have also asked if Gore

could have rejected the Florida slate of electors as being tainted and not counted them at all thus achieving an electoral majority. I mean best case scenario for election integrity would have been a redo in Florida with no butterfly ballots, punch ballots not being fully punched because of faulty equipment or voters not using it properly, and election workers filling in the bubbles of no votes in the pan handle. Gore electors could also have sent their own slate of votes.

Gore could have stirred up a mob to convince the SC Justices to allow for a revote. Clinton could have sat on his hands and let the situation play out at the SC building.

[Duppers]

3. Good point!

[SergeStorms]

4. Democrats believe in democracy.

We're not like them, thank Dog. I would never want to stoop as low as them.

Gore got shafted, no doubt, but let's not mimic the fascist bastards intent on making our country a dictatorship.

[exboyfil]

5. Just making a point by contrasting behaviors

Gore was f___ked. It is pretty likely that Kerry was f___ked in Ohio. Stein put up more of a fight in the count than Hillary Clinton did on 2016. I still remember watching a scene in which Wisconsin election officials refused to do a recount a group of votes - contrast with the crap that the Trump campaign pulled.

I agree I don't want my party acting that way, but at what cost?

[SergeStorms]

6. Yeah, I know.

It's difficult to keep getting the shitty end of the stick, but sooner or later the pendulum must swing back to the side of democracy and equal rights for all.

The hardest part is staying vigilant and being patient. The patience part is the most difficult for younger Democrats. Hell, its the most difficult part for everyone. We all want change, and we want it now. Life seldom works that way though.

We'll get there. People are slowly turning away from the politics of division and hate. It takes way too much energy to sustain that level of hate, and no Alex Jones power bar is going to give them enough energy for that.

We have to push the haters back under the rocks from whence they came. Trump brought them all into the light, but evil like that can't stay in the light too long. We'll get there. Be patient.

[questionseverything]

22. If the state of Florida would of been hand counted for voter intent

(Which was the law there at that time)
Gore would of won. There were 175,000 overvotes the machines wouldn’t count, 2/3 of them were for gore. Gore’s name was punched and then also chosen as a write in vote, so obviously these voters picked gore. Lance de haven smith brought it up first but newspapers confirmed gore’s win after the fact.

We need to stop letting them steal elections because we are too polite.

Every federal election needs hand counted paper ballots, counted openly, transparently and with a tight chain of custody.

( even if scanners are used the software should be open sourced, not proprietary, and make double checking it easy)

[bucolic_frolic]

12. You raise good points. I always thought FL2000 was about not counting the votes

and no one was willing to go there. No one, not even the SCOTUS, said "count the votes!".

But counting was fluid for the reasons you mention. It would have been litigated for months and months. That was a situation where election integrity in a critically close election was uncertain.

[amaico]

7. Misleading

There's no indication that Pence would remotely beat Trump In a primary. The poll is about one single question.
Anyone reading your title would falsely assume that Pence is leading a Trump in a primary.

[Kaleva]

8. How did you get that op was about Pence beating TFG in a primary?

There's no mention of that in the title or body. The title makes clear that this is about the 2020 election.

[amaico]

23. So you knew right away that it isn't "devastating"

So did I

[cadoman]

29. polls are usually used to measure and compare candidates prospects -- not eval past decisions

People also skim titles, and so read the OP post as follows:

devastating/poll/trump/pence

And figured since tfg would be the presumed frontrunner that it was a poll that cast him in a bad light vs Pence in some context.

Yeah that is not literally what was written, but this is how people have to read when they are bombarded by info 24x7. Details get lost.

A title less inclined to misinterpretation would read something like:

"Poll finds majority of Republicans support Pence's decisions not to intervene in electoral college results."

It's misleading to even have tfg's name in there because it was the VP's defined role to count the votes. It was purely a Pence decision and there is no need to even mention or compare w/tfg.

[Silver Gaia]

10. I didn't think that at all. I thought it was about exactly what it said it was, the 2020 election.

The poll being about a primary never occurred to me, probably because the thread title said it was about the 2020 election and didn't even mention a primary.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Not To Me, It Isn't

I know EXACTLY what is being said.
Your inference appears to be your's alone.

[amaico]

24. Your "devastating" exaggeration is yours alone

And of anyone who simply wishes it were "devastating".
It's so not devastating that you had to omit a key detail in other to claim that it was "devastating".

[ProfessorGAC]

30. Do You Do Stand-Up?

You really should.
You're hilarious.

[Roc2020]

14. Trump would win the GOP

nomination if he ran. I don't think there is a question there. Trump should not be allowed to run. period.

[LiberalFighter]

16. I would disagree. Sure maybe now. But not in 2024.

The baggage with TFG is increasing.

[Silver Gaia]

18. I tend to agree. n/t

[Cha]

28. I HOPE SO! trump's

an Insane Time Bomb-DICtator wannabe.

[lagomorph777]

20. 14th Amendment applies.

If DOJ ever gets around to prosecuting him.

[maxsolomon]

21. Drip... drip... drip... drip

McConnell's strategy for putting Trump out to pasture proceeds apace.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. Could be! But does he really think pence could win and be prez?

Or is Mitch just shooting for blocking FG with Dipshit II, as a sacrificial lamb?

[maxsolomon]

31. McConnell probably wants someone else entirely.

He knows they have to move on from TFG or they'll lose.

They're going to lose. They've only won once since 1988.

[Cha]

25. HaHa.. Who knew..

Pence VS trump

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. AH..no wonder pence thinks he can win nomination!

[Silent3]

32. If the poll singled out likely Republican primary voters...

...I think you'd see those numbers swing a lot more toward Trump.

The problem with the rest of the Republicans, and many "independents" is they don't pay much attention to, or don't care, what whackos the foaming-at-the-mouth primary voters choose.

Republicans of all sorts simply won't vote for a Democrat no matter what.

"Independents" will vote for or against the party of the President based on a fuzzy mix of how they feel and garbage data.

[uponit7771]

34. RIGHT !! This poll is of GQP and not likely voters or primary voters. In the US they are different

... polls all together

[Cosmocat]

35. Trump was polling in the single digits prior to coming down the escalator

I said he was not joke, and a real threat to win the nomination, and even greater threat to win POTUS If he won it.

The same dynamics are in play, except his starting point is even stronger.

You will have dozens of other Rs running for POTUS that will wash each other out.

He will bully and intimidate the candidates, who will fold to him while the base once again coaleces around him because LIBERALS!

Not a single one of these Rs who have been polled will give the first shit about January 6th, either way, once he is lined up with a D.