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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow will the "Baby Boom" generation be remembered?
Were they greedy a$$holes that took all the wealth? Did they think the world was their oyster?
Were they the cause of all the problems in the present world?
Or will they be remembered as the generation that gave women rights they had not had for thousands of years?
Will they be remembered for passing Civil Rights legislation and successfully promoting equality in our country?
Will they be remembered for the great technological advances, going to the moon, etc?
Baby Boomers will soon be gone. Will the "good" things they accomplished disappear and we will return to the "old" ways?
How do you think Boomers will be remembered?
OLDMDDEM
(3,170 posts)as a Boomer born in 1947, we will be remembered as having modernized the world from dial phones to cellphones, to propeller passenger planes to jets, to many advances in science as well as providing the best Democratic presidents in our nations history.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Baby boomer did advance some civil right. But in 1965, there were not that many in congress. In 1973 there were more obviously. They really came into their own from president Clinton on.
scarletlib
(3,568 posts)We can sort out generations and give them names but in the end we all just human. There are good ones and bad ones in every generation.
I would also point out that any one born before 1946 is technically a member of the Silent Generationthink Mitch McConnell, Grassley, etc. That particular group of people received the most generous of benefits from the nation and worked in a time when company pensions still existed, labor unions were strong, GI benefits were more expansive, etc.
The Silent Generation is the group of elected politicians along with the Greatest Generation that deconstructed those programs for Boomers and beyond.
Crunchy Frog
(28,264 posts)Especially considering that at that time they weren't even old enough to vote.
I'm a "Boomer" but was not doing much to advance civil rights, as I was only 2 at the time.
Walleye
(44,699 posts)The Supreme Court ordered the integration of schools but it was us kids that actually did it. I think there will never will be another baby boom quite the same unless there is another world war, god forbid. My father who was born in 1919 reminded me that he was also part of a baby boom. Also caused by a world war. As far as us boomers we expected to be blown up by atom bombs pretty much from the moment we started school. We didnt have active shooter drills we had air raid drills. And yet todays Russia crisis completely reminds me of the Cuban missile crisis. I think we will probably be remembered with resentment, the way we are judged today
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)It was silly.
DBoon
(24,962 posts)Their positive political and cultural changes will be erased from memory.
Richard Nixon will be given more credit for the environmental movement than the millions of college and high-school aged boomer who organized earth day. The accomplishments of this movement will be forgotten, and boomers will be blamed for not solving issues which were barely visible during the 1970s.
They will be blamed for electing Reagan when older generations were the right wing base. Their progressive politicians will be forgotten and every right wing reactionary elected since 1970 will be blamed on them.
To keep current generations apathetic, it is important to belittle the real accomplishments of prior generations
JT45242
(4,027 posts)First, they had little to do with any of the positive things listed.
Civil rights... The leaders, both white and black, all born long before the boomers. The congressional sponsors, LBJ, etc. All born long before WW2.
Yes, many boomers in their youth protested against the Vietnam war.
Then they overwhelmingly voted for Reagan, Bush, Trump and all manner of crap.
They brought racism back by supporting Reagan when he opened his campaign in the heart of the KKK.
They gave tax breaks to the rich and trillions in corporate welfare and then demonized working parents paid a sub living wage who needed food stamps because the corporate welfare cheats refused to pay their workers fairly.
They benefited from the GI bill and the unions that their parents were a part of them dismantled both.
They may have marched in the late 60s but they did nothing about redlining, racial gerrymandering, or any other systemic racism issue.
They ruined our country. Plain and simple. No better example would be TDFG.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)yorkster
(3,814 posts)born before 1946, ie not boomers. You paint with a mighty wide brush.
maxrandb
(17,415 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)worked hard for Hillary except me all the GOTV folks were BB in my 2016 group. No only that but we fought fucking hard for Roe and that is likely gone. so spare me. No but her email crowd was mostly younger and they own this.
Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)Clinton won all the demographics younger than that.
Sorry, but that's how that went.
It's usually how that goes in most Republican vs Democrat things. Older voters vote Republican.
Boomers are the older voters.
CousinIT
(12,515 posts)Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)I'm just pointing out the objective facts. Voters over 50 as a group went for Trump, while those under 50 did not as a group.
raccoon
(32,381 posts)snowybirdie
(6,677 posts)We all aren't right wing idiots. In fact, I have an entire family in Georgia who fell for the crazy!
Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)I said that demographic. As in, the majority of that group.
And I'm responding to a post trying to lay it at the feet of younger voters and saying it's not the fault of Boomers.
Well, a majority of Boomers voted for Trump.
I don't see the point in getting defensive at me, when I'm just responding to someone else who is throwing blame bombs at younger voters in an attempt at exculpation.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)aren't Boomers. Not by a long shot.
Mariana
(15,623 posts)Pretending that isn't true won't solve anything.
temporary311
(960 posts)But a majority are. Unfortunately Gen X was too small a cohort to outvote boomers, and millenials/z were too young before the damage became catastrophic.
Bettie
(19,655 posts)They are perfect in every way, they did everything good that has ever happened in this country and have never, as a group, done anything less than perfect.
Those generations that came afterward suck and can never reach the perfection of the sainted and peerless boomers, because they are the worst people simply because they are not boomers.
Look at the replies, they assume that anything said about boomers (like the statistic you used) is personally aimed at them.
Then again, I'm GenX. I don't even exist and I raised myself, so what do I know?
Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)Look at the student loan topic. Man, those "Bootstraps!" replies, from people who had incredibly cheap and affordable access to education.
How young people got blamed for Trump. Just, what? That is completely, objectively wrong.
I mean, the demographic here is median Boomer, so I get it. But, there was some good and some bad. All generations will have it.
But looking at the last forty years that span my lifetime, things have gotten a lot worse in many ways, particularly economically. How that happened isn't some amorphous "Everyone except us did it!"
Hard to find solutions when we can't acknowledge how problems began.
Bettie
(19,655 posts)and it is like slamming your head against a brick wall.
Generally speaking, Boomers seem super sensitive about even the suggestion that they aren't all perfect in every way.
Crunchy Frog
(28,264 posts)I haven't seen anyone on this board who thinks that they're perfect in every way, but people also don't like to be blamed or demonized for things that they didn't actually do.
The pitting of different demographics against each other, and encouragement to scapegoating strikes me as counterproductive at best, and reminiscent of Republican tactics.
eShirl
(20,223 posts)Come now, the truth is in between those.
raccoon
(32,381 posts)appalachiablue
(43,996 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Mostly the young.
Had a lot of arguments with them.
It was Bernie or bust.
Tried to tell them that Bernie could be a powerful Senator with President Clinton in the White House.
hlthe2b
(113,824 posts)cohorts that were very different in viewpoints, politics, experiences. I find this conflation to be a mere excuse to lay blame for our societal and political woes at the feet of those often not even remotely responsible. There is no way in the world that those born at the tail ends of that time period were sufficiently similar to lump together.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)phylny
(8,818 posts)and I can be considered part of Generation Jones.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)The post war crowd, the 1950's crowd, and the 60's crowd.
I had nothing in common with my older siblings born I the 40's.
My older brothers had the draft and Vietnam.
They had Elvis.
I had The Monkees.
We were a big generation.
electric_blue68
(26,820 posts)saying that exact same thing about dividing Boomers (I am one) into thirds as sub groups.
I'd say I'm more 60's... while I was born in '53 I was not quite 11 when the Beatles hit Ed Sullivan, and became a Monkees fan as well both as a teenie bopper screamer at their concerts. 😄 Those two only.
The rest of my life as Rock music fan and concert goer I yelled, cheered and sang at shows. 👍
I consider "The 60's" started with The Beatles, the British Invasion, and the American bands that took off concurrently, or after the first wave of Brit Bands. I imagine the majority of people would concur. Then San Fransisco hippies etc. Woodstock.
I always tried to volunteer for candidates (mid '60s) before I could even vote that had a very liberal bent especially on social issues. That included getting African Americans to first class citizenship they should have been given as free people waaaay back, or once freed from slavery depending where they lived back then.
I remain liberal to progressive. Never turned conservative - as the saying goes as you get older, nor libertarian. Almost all my friends are on the liberal + side. My extended family's a bit of a mix. My parents were liberal in general, as is my sibling.
I was marching for renewable energy in the '80s. Marched for Labor after Ray-gun was elected. Choice marches later etc. Always been some kind of semi activist.
So let's NOT paint Boomers with such a wide brush. 👍
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)I remember the Beatles on Ed Sullivan.
I was to young for them.
We are the same age.
I went a Monkees concert.
Just became a teenager.
The Beatles did make a change in rock music.
My older siblings were born from 1945 to 1948, my Mother was busy.
My older siblings listened to totally different music from me.
My brothers were in Viet Nam when I was in elementary school.
By the time I reached Jr high I was the only kid at home.
We were like sub generations.
The people born from 60 to 64 were different from us.
I was total Man From UNCLE fan.
Had all the UNCLE merchandise I could talk my Father into. All the toys. Played UNCLE on our bikes.
I never did really relate to my older siblings.
Crunchy Frog
(28,264 posts)MineralMan
(151,187 posts)Yup. That was us, too. Took my first computer programming class in 1963 at college. Owned my own tiny little software company in the late 1980-90s. Was a dope-smoking hippie in the late 60s.
Participated in the Civil Rights and anti-Vietnam war movements in the 60s and 70s. Escorted women into Planned Parenthood clinics for many years.
I'm a boomer. I'm far from wealthy. I don't think I played a role in causing today's problems at all.
And here I still am.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)we lots of good...every generation is mixed-good things and bad things. But I tire of the BS about boomers...my husband is a boomer a better guy you would never find.
Greybnk48
(10,718 posts)The Clean Drinking Water Act, and Environmental Ethics (most of these thanks to Senators from Wisconsin and world-wide boomer activism). Add to this animal protections, the Endangered Species Act. All of the these passed in the 70's.
We couldn't close on the ERA in the USA, but we came close.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Nixon was no baby boomer. Bush 1 w as no baby boomer.
Me, a baby boomer is suffering from their greed as any other labeled generation.
Now it is Boebert, MTG and Hawley. They aint no baby boomers.
Edit: I think religion has caused all the problems in the world.
Edit: obviously this hits a nerve
Bill Clinton is (barely) a baby boomer
Obama is a baby boomer. The werent role models of greed and corruption.
bucolic_frolic
(55,035 posts)I think they will be remembered as a permissive, undisciplined, self-centered, entitlement generation who talked a good game but lived for themselves, for the present time, like every other generation. They fought corporate greed in their 20s and bought luxury SUVs once they reached 50. They went to DisneyWorld, took cruises, borrowed to build, buy, maintain McMansions. Only a small percentage lived according to their creed, and I suspect even they raised spoiled kids and bought too much plastic junk.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,827 posts)Greybnk48
(10,718 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)greatest generation parents, I did WORK at Disneyworld once, never raised any kids, only saved rescue animals, dont have a McMansion - bought my own home with cash. Not sure about the plastic junk
most of my possessions are wood and passed down from the parents.
I do own a bike and a rowing machine. I raise chickens and grow vegetables.
sanatanadharma
(4,089 posts)The future will look back upon the second half of the 20th century as the good old days, when women weren't chattel, the streets were not filled with unwanted once-fetuses, and there were people who actually thought 'peace' was possible.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,296 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Nope.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)...and Yuppies mostly. I mean the Voting Rights Act of 1964/1965 to start with. I will give credit for being a good music generation. The term "self centered" probably fits the best. For all of the early liberalism they ultimately swayed right.
Highest divorce rate ever giving rise to us Xers who probably trend 60/40 on disliking them on a personal lever.
Then they were Trump voters in 2016 and 2020 as were Xer's which was just the poison dripping down a generation.
My hope is with Millennials and whatever the next cohort is.
Oh and lets not forget Gen Jones which are the late Boomers who really did not have the Old Boomer advantages and the Summer of Love or anything else as they were more Xer screwed. The Old Boomers did get Vietnam but for the Boomer males in my family that meant domestic Air Bases for 3 years and college and houses paid for. Mid to Upper Middle Class types who did not go tramping through jungles getting shot at 24/7. Their biggest trial/gripe was anger over the regimentetedness of clothing and the feeling that they were smarter than their commanding officers.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)Most of the landmark civil rights events and legislation happened between the late 40s and early 60s, when the Boomers were children. They may have been overall sympathetic to civil rights causes, but the people that actually got shit done were Greatest/Silent.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)I was not given a paycheck.
I have had one new car my whole life, the rest used.
I lived below my means.
That blame boomers for everything gets old.
I made good money but didn't spent every penny.
I do not need the newest cellphone that cost hundreds of dollars.
Enough of blaming boomers for everything wrong with the country.
There are generations older and younger causing problems.
Mariana
(15,623 posts)and continue to support Republicans in general. It's not helpful to pretend that isn't true.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Plenty of them vote Republican.
The proud boys and the other Nazi types.
The tiki torch crowd marching thru Charlottesville a few years ago.
They do not represent their generation.
Yeah there are boomers who vote republican but there are younger people who republican also.
I was one of the first women into a union a apprenticeship program only open to white men before me.
Believe me it was no picnic.
This was from 1973 to 1976.
Older people unlocked the door but we young women kicked it open.
We had to be better then the men to stay in the program.
Y'all take the rights you have for granted.
When I retired there were lots of women in the union crafts. My generation made it happen.
Do not put down a whole generation because of some of them.
I could do the same thing with your generation.
All those young Nazi types.
But that would not be fair.
Mariana
(15,623 posts)Old Republicans are the majority of old voters. In 2016, 53% of voters aged 45 and over cast their ballots for Trump. 53% is a majority. They should not be deprived of their fair share of the credit for Trump's disastrous presidency.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37922587
budkin
(6,849 posts)That will overshadow everything
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)I see a lot of pro young Trump voters.
Look at all the young Nazi types marching around.
We are just a big group easy to pick on.
budkin
(6,849 posts)So many MAGA Boomers.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Look at Trump's followers.
All ages.
raccoon
(32,381 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Yep.
I used run voter registration drives.
It was hard to get younger people to vote.
Many were not interested.
Mariana
(15,623 posts)that young people resist voting, when it has been going on for ages.
Of course, if the majority of older people didn't tend to vote Republican, it wouldn't matter so much whether the young people turn out. But the majority of older people do vote Republican, so here we are.
If younger people did not vote it their fault.
Do not complain about people voted into office if you do not vote.
I have never voted republican ever.
The voting power was there to change things but it was not used.
And there are a lot young republicans.
Mariana
(15,623 posts)but there are a lot more old Republicans.
FTR, I'm well over 50 and I've always voted. It's a shame we have to depend on the young people to offset their elders' Republican votes, since as you've pointed out, they have always been less likely to vote.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)It is blaming the whole generation for actions of some.
But it isn't boomers in the proud boys.
Or that Charlottesville crowd.
Like I said the voting age was 18 for a long time.
The first group could have voted in 1983.
Could of maybe changed things if they had voted.
The post baby boom crowd could have helped in keeping the Bush family out of the white house.
If you do not vote do not complain because others will be voting.
Buckeyeblue
(6,349 posts)In general, they really lack emotional intelligence. They divorced quickly and probably remarried too quickly as well. They are tone deaf on racial issues. They did a poor job of managing their finances. They were a mix bag as parents. I think, more than their parents, they tried to make their children feel loved and showed more affection. Fathers were more involved with their kids. But because many families couldn't make ends meet or because of divorce, both parents worked and left their children to fend for themselves. The good part is that genxers are typically independently minded individuals. The bad news is that as a generation we aren't as empathetic as we could be.
temporary311
(960 posts)saturnism. Boomers were basically the only generation that went from birth to adulthood breathing in large amounts of atmospheric lead from autos. While lead had been added to fuel in the mid-late '20s, car ownership along with suburban growth, which lead to much more driving, really took off post-war and they suffered the most from that.
As for Gen X, they're simply too small of a generational cohort to have much impact. They're around 30% smaller than either boomers or millenials.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)neither was going to the moon.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)They got unlocked but we had to deal with a lot of angry white men.
They did not like change.
They did not women working in these crafts.
To bad because we were not going away.
Civil rights unlocked the doors but we young women fought the wars.
The 70's was the time of change.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)nini
(16,827 posts)It's so odd to blame or praise any generation for how things are during their lives. Blame the people on the wrong side of issues.
A generation is not an all-size fits all group.
DeeNice
(579 posts)Sancho
(9,203 posts)The 1960s had so many turning points; both good and bad.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)What a time.
Crunchy Frog
(28,264 posts)Nursery school and kindergarten were a pretty big deal for me.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Women had less children.
In my neighborhood every family had 4 kids or more.
Crunchy Frog
(28,264 posts)There were 3 of us over a 7 1/2 year period. She got her tubes tied after the third.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Went to the neighborhood drug store to pick them up.
It was a neighborhood type drug store with a soda fountain.
We would go there after school.
More then then once I was given a bag of pills to.take home.
The drug store was across from the school.
I would take home a white bag, inside were the pills.
I never knew until my mother told me later.
Funny now.
Another time.
Maeve
(43,455 posts)Because we are both and neither, depending. We are blamed and credited with things that really belong to the so-called "silent" generation (amazing how many of the "heroes" of our youth were actually the same age as our parents!)
The media have been lazy and lumped together a bunch of people who were born over a 20 year period as if we all had the same experiences. My brother and I shared a home and had only three years between us--we couldn't get a whole lot different if we tried. FTS
William769
(59,147 posts)Baby Boomers have done so much more than what you listed (I know you couldn't list it all).
IMHO Baby Boomers will ever be remembered by being spawned from a World War and changing the world. Some will say for good & some won't, but Baby Boomers will never be forgotten.
kentuck
(115,393 posts)The energy for change is always with the young. If the old people are not doing what they would like, it is up to them to change it.
It was not the old people, the WWII greatest generation, that changed the world in the 1960's. It was the young people. It was the Black Panthers. It was the Vietnam protesters. It was the young women. It was the Woodstock generation. But change is not permanent. Each generation has to fight for it.
If young people are not happy with the costs of education or whatever, it is up to them to change it. Young people of the 1960's are old people now. They do not have the energy for change.
Each generation must make the change they want.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...but seem to frequently fail by ignoring political reality.
The young in the 60s thought Humphrey wasn't progressive enough, so we got Nixon.
The young in the 70s thought Carter wasn't progressive enough, so we got Reagan.
The young in the 90s thought Gore wasn't progressive enough, so we got Bush.
The young in the 2010s thought Clinton wasn't progressive enough, so we got Trump.
kentuck
(115,393 posts)Their energy was in the streets, in marching, in protesting, in creating social unrest, not in voting.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)kentuck
(115,393 posts)...but I do not think we would have gotten the Civil Rights advances in the 1960's if not for the Black Panthers. Just my opinion.
Haven't the slightest clue about the black panthers. Who they were, what they did or how they came to be etc.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Maybe now.
If they can vote.
kentuck
(115,393 posts)They vote. The young generation will need to vote if they want change. But many would prefer to blame the Baby Boomers who are dying off. If the young do not strike the iron while it is hot, they are victims to the wishes of the old. It is they that change the world.
We were trying to register young Democrats in the 80's.
No go.
The old do vote.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)trend Republican. And before you go all defensive and freak out, I'm well aware there are some who don't, however, you need to wake up and realize MOST do. I watched boomers from my own family, immediate and extended go from the 60's peace loving, everyone matters, community oriented love everyone and we're all in this together to everyone is not my problem, fuck the community I look out for ME and why should I pay for all the slackers. Happened before my very eyes. The we got ours generation (cheap college, reasonable housing, one income could support a family, SS at 62 and pensions) now proclaims you're shit out luck, even if you are our own blood. They have the gaul to run around proclaiming they weren't given anything they worked hard for everything and the younger generations are just whiny moochers. Well forgive the fuck out of me and everyone else that came after the self righteous boomers for wanting the SAME opportunities YOU were GIVEN and failed to ensure that those after got the same deal.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)I understand the power of the vote.
I never understood the hatred of Humphrey.
He would have a fine president.
The young want everything in a instant.
Does not work that way.
Vinca
(53,934 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Look at some of the younger republican types now in office.
What creatures.
Every generation has them.
Politicub
(12,327 posts)that will follow them -- their children and grandchildren -- to inherit a dead planet and a life full of misery. Boomers just don't seem to give a collective damn about anything unless it has something to do with Medicare or Social Security or hurting someone who is different from them. But to be fair, my generation (X), seems to be living up to its reputation of wallowing in apathy and nihilism, too.
I'm glad there were some visionary and amazing boomer leaders. But they're in the minority and overshadowed by the greedy mob.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)You know better.
A lot of us busted our asses over the years.
The younger voters did not turn out to vote until President Obama ran.
1983 was a long time ago.
A lot post baby boomers did not vote or get involved.
The blame is on you guys.
Every generation has to step up.
I am 68 now and done my time.
Retired.
My parents before me.
Torchlight
(6,779 posts)I tend to think our collective memory of any particular in history is only as good as the latest super bowl commercial or block-buster movie currently referring to that particular implies to us.
If it's in HD-color and we can stream and watch from our theater-chairs, it will be remembered in such a way as Coke or Wells Fargo or our local car dealership wants to frame it-- in order to increase sales and revenue.
So very few speak of or remember the Lost Generation or the Silent Generation-- far too few to memorialize it for good or ill, or even sake of argument. Every named generation will eventually receive the same as well.
Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)
kskiska
(27,165 posts)All the accomplishments before the 60s were due to the war ending. We had the beginnings of TV in the late 1920s and 1930s, but everything stopped because everything had to go toward the war effort. Once the war was over, I remember how all sorts of new things came out - household appliances, television, hi-fi, Cinemascope, 3-D movies. My mother won an electric mixer in a raffle and that was right when cake mixes came out, so we ate cake regularly. The Boomers were children throughout the 50s. My dad worked for a company contracted to work on secret projects toward the moon shot and later the Hubbell Telescope. He was a WWII vet and no Boomer.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Is wasn't all peaches and cream.
I barely remember black people riding in the back of the bus.
Or separate restrooms.
I couldn't play Little League baseball and I was better then the boys.
Equal job opportunities were not available.
No it was not great for everyone.
I was lucky to become a young woman when I did.
The early 70's started change this.
My older sister did not have job opportunities I had.
Remember when there were only white male news anchors on tv. Maybe a weather girl. I do.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)
with a broad brush.
My youngest brother was born at the end of the Baby Boom you know what some jerk at work called COVID-19 back at the beginning? Boomer Remover. At this point he can hardly wait to retire but hes got one kid in college and two more still at home, and a not-Social Security age wife whose health problems cut her own career short.
Boomer Remover. Just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Emile
(42,173 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Only straight leg for me.
Not even flare.
Emile
(42,173 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)I still have my father's WW2 wool dark blue uniform.
He was one skinny guy.
ForgedCrank
(3,091 posts)