To all of the seniors that live off Social Security and Medicare and your a republican....

[turbinetree]

GOP plans to undermine Social Security and Medicare if it wins back House majority



By Josh Israel -February 16, 2022 11:32 AM

Republicans are scheming to revive the dangerous balanced budget amendment in 2023.

House Republicans are already scheming about what they will do if they regain a majority in the 2022 midterm elections. These plans apparently include a constitutional amendment that could force massive cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and other safety net programs.

The Hill reported Wednesday that the GOP's so-called "fiscal hawks" want to push a balanced budget amendment, a proposal to amend the Constitution to require that spending not exceed revenue in any single year unless a large majority of members of Congress — typically three-fifths — agrees to it.

"We're heading for a fiscal crisis if we don't get a grip on spending,” Virginia Rep. Bob Good told the outlet.

Published with permission of The American Independent Foundation.

https://americanindependent.com/house-gop-balanced-budget-amendment-social-security-medicare-medicaid-newt-gingrich/

There fucking 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut which is driving this debt BS......do you fucking republican seniors understand.....because of that republican tax cut created a 30 trillion dollar problem, and some corporation don't pay enough taxes..... do you fucking understand...because they want to take your money you put in this social safety net to fuck you over by taking it away from you.........

[Glorfindel]

1. The rePuke plan for old age: Hurry Up And Die!

[txwhitedove]

19. Excuse please, they killed off at least 500,000 of us oldies with Covid. I figured

that saved a lot of money. Geez, never enough.

[Diamond_Dog]

2. Where was all this concern about a balanced budget

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when the orange jackass was in the WH?

[Caliman73]

9. They have NEVER been concerned about a "balanced budget" just about social spending.

This small government, fiscal responsibility bullshit that is associated by rote, to Republicans is ridiculous. You NEVER, EVER hear them talking about cutting Military spending. It goes up almost every damn year. Social Security is supposed to be paid for with the taxes collected. It was designed to be self sustaining until Reagan started taking IOUs out on it.

It isn't how much is spent, it is WHAT it is spent on. Trillions in tax cuts for the wealthy? SURE. Hundreds of billions for weapon systems the military isn't even asking for? YOU BET. A hundred million to feed hungry children? FUCK NO! You want to bankrupt the County? Communist. A small tax on high speed financial trades that can help pay for college and trade school for people who want it? ARE YOU SERIOUS, might as well be forcing everyone to read Mao's little red book!!

They do not care AT ALL about the size and expense of government. They just do not want any money spent on the average person. They want everything spent on protecting the established social and economic order. The rich deserve their protection while the rest of us just need to stop being lazy and whiny.

[modrepub]

3. Fine

split the federal bill up by department, send bills out to folks and companies and have everyone pay their fair share. (People have no clue how much of their taxes go to the Military). No more states getting more than they put in.

And while you're at it, make the government pay back all of the excess money it collected from Social Security. Figure out where that excess tax collection went and have different government departments who took it over the years pay it back. We've been over taxed on our SS taxes since Saint Ronny. Make Social Security a pay as you go system so politicians can't transfer tax surpluses to their own pet projects. Keep or better yet lower the SS withholding and remove the income cap.

2 can play this BS game.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

4. If they fuck with

Social security and disability I am as good as homeless and dead.

We need to tear down these monsters and block thier fucking plans.

Forever.

[PortTack]

5. It's not Medicare and SS..it's been proven time and time again

[Hortensis]

6. Even worse, the court is stacked to declare them unconstitutional.

All these programs are based on liberal interpretations and constructs taken from parts of the constitution. Nowhere is the right of the federal government to operate progressive programs explicitly stated.

I beileve it would have happened the first term possible IF it wouldn't have caused massive rebellion among the people. They have to build up to a point where they can get away with it. Probably cutting away until enough people no longer support them because they don't work adequately.

tRump's election was in part a populist rebellion by RWers against RW leaders targeting their programs. If they'd supported eliminating Social Security...

Populist movements, both left and right, tend to be dominated by people who combine social conservatism with economic progressivism, in various mixtures. LW populists average more economically liberal than socially conservative, RW more socially conservative, and all not very committed to any specific ideology. Just get them all worked up against "the establishment" and give them a mob to join...

[GoodRaisin]

7. It will fail. It won't even get out of the House.

They don’t have the 2/3 vote required for a constitutional amendment.

[babylonsister]

8. It still behooves us to make this a BFD and place blame

squarely on the rethugs, loudly and often.

[GoodRaisin]

25. No doubt. We campaigned on strengthening SS and Medicare

It would be great to advance a bill to do just that in this election year and force Republicans to show their hands right before the voting starts.

[gab13by13]

10. Medicare Advantage plans are already cutting into Medicare.

[left-of-center2012]

11. How does this affect social security and Medicare?

[Traildogbob]

17. The Advantage scam plans

Take money out of Medicare. They will not cover you when needed. People signing with them do not contribute to Medicare. Planned to destroy and privatize. I can tell ya a long story about them scamming me and my VA benefits. Fuck Joe Namath and Dy-No-Mite idiot. It’s a Coroerste GQP plan to end Medicare. Crash and burn it to the ground. For one second think how much they spend to get you in. Gotta be a hell of a return from premiums. Nothing gets more air time and mail space to sell you.

[MarcA]

18. Republicans for Decades have tried to destroy, cut, privatize

Social Security, Medicare and any other programs that keep the
Unrich out of debt. Can't control people who are not burdened
with overwhelming,unending debt. If they can't do it with a
Constitutional Amendment, they are still signaling their attacks
by other means. Yet, some, even here on DU, feign ignorance.

[c-rational]

22. Bingo - Well said and agreed.

[left-of-center2012]

29. You view the Medicare Advantage plans to be a scam?

I've been on one for 10 years and disagree with your view/opinion 110%.

[Traildogbob]

31. Well,

They lied me into signing, and the VA said if I wanted to keep coverage with them I would need to drop the scam and go to real Medicare. For me, veterans disability and Medicare (The Real One) takes great care. Any company scamming Veteran's can go suck it. Days all ya need to know about em. Just me. The Scammers would cover very little so the VA was being screwed. It took months to get out and go to Medicare. Hope you never need them to cover serious issues. What they are up to is factual. Thom Hartmann exposes them once a week minimum. They are for prophet private. When has that been a success. But Bless your heart, have a sweet tea on me. 🤨

[left-of-center2012]

33. "Hope you never need them to cover serious issues"

I had major abdominal surgery and was in the hospital 10 days.
They paid every cent.

But hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

[Emile]

34. I was on a advantage plan the first year of retirement. I got off of it the

next year. I heard horror stories of people who traveled and were denied coverage in other states.

[Traildogbob]

35. Yep

Guess they just scammed me out of millions of customers, and the VA was lying. Not opinion, actual facts that was obvious in billing. After return to Medicare. My share of VA coverage has been zero. Under Advantage, I paid many thousands out of pocket over 8 years. My bank account does not deal in opinions. Maybe you will enjoy privatized Social Security as well. Many many people have experienced my “Opinion”
As well.

[left-of-center2012]

36. Well, okie dokie smokie

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

12. And meanwhile, they cut and cut and cut taxes on the wealthy and the corporations.

[WarGamer]

13. My balanced budget amendment idea would work...

Each year... after paying healthy COLA increases to seniors...

If the budget is in the RED... cut military spending until it's black.

Easy

[ancianita]

14. YES. Know this, Republicans. Your party doesn't give a fuck about you, and they WILL fuck you over.

Your enemy, Republicans, are your party's corporate fascist donor owners.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

15. When are they going after VA medical benefits?

After all, veterans a being paid but they're not working. It seems this is a waste of taxpayer money that could be transferred to the rich.

A balanced budget amendment is something the GQP always tries to do when they're in charge, along with exorbitant tax cuts for the rich and corporations. They didn't say a word when TFG was in office and they held both houses of Congress. The instant Biden finished his oath of office -- "so help me God" -- the Repugs started yelling about the national debt. They are so predictable and boring.

[wryter2000]

16. It's a sham

They'd never get it through Congress, let alone the states. This is supposed to Dems look irresponsible.

[SouthBayDem]

20. How many of them need to understand

this isn't Dwight Eisenhower's Republican Party of their childhoods anymore?

Eisenhower famously said that a few Texas oil billionaires opposed Social Security.

[FoxNewsSucks]

21. If we don't keep giving them tax cuts,

how will billionaires like Dan Snyder afford $48 million mansions?

[duforsure]

23. They also will allow big pharma to drive prescription prices sky high,

And allow insurance companies to increase their prices much higher too. Republican seniors should wake up , this is their agenda, plus take health care away from millions, like TFG did, and tried to eliminate the ACA.

[Lonestarblue]

24. The media and Republicans have defined the Democratic Party as moderates and leftists.

But what is moderate today is the equivalent of Republican BS about people refusing to work if they can take advantage of safety net programs. To me, that is a Republican stance, not a Democratic stance. And most often we see the media describing the left as the radical left. I’m sure it must have happened at some point, but I have rarely seen the media describe Republicans of any stripe—from white supremacists to insurrections to fake Trumps like DeSantis and Youngkin—as radical. Yet it is the Republicans who are truly radical with their attempts to undermine education, to take away healthcare, to privatize government services (as they’ve successfully done with prisons and will do with Social Security so that Wall Street can charge high fees to “manage” it), to allow very wealthy people to pay no federal taxes, and on and on.

What exactly is radical on the left that wants access to healthcare for all people, affordable drug costs, and investments in the future of the country through improved infrastructure and better education? Democrats are not radical, they are simply looking put for the future while Republicans are trying to turn the country into “Leave It to Beaver.”

[Aviation91]

26. Somebody better...

School these dumbass rural Republicans that are planning to vote for them in the midterms!

[LaMouffette]

27. If it weren't for the horrific pain this would cause those on SS and Medicare, I would say LET them!

Let the Republicans make drastic cuts to Social Security and Medicare so that maybe, just maybe, Republican seniors would FINALLY get a clue that the Republican Party does not give a rat's ass about them and, in fact, would actually, prefer it if old people would just die and quit using up good tax money that would be better spent on tax cuts to the Republicans' wealthy donors.

Can you imagine an army of pissed-off seniors, many using walkers, others in wheelchairs, descending on the Capitol if the Repubes made major cuts to SS and Medicare? It would be just like in 2018 when 181 people with disabilities showed up to protest damaging changes to the Americans with Disabilities Act. Seeing these folks being dragged from their wheelchairs to be arrested was not a good look. The same thing would happen if they cut SS and Medicare benefits and would put on display Republican politicians' true, cruel colors.

[aggiesal]

28. (R)'s didn't have a platform for the 2020 Presidential Election ...

and McTurtle just announced that they will not have a plan the 2022 midterms.

I guess now we know why.
This is their plan and we and the (D) Representative candidates should reference this
plan at every campaign stop and all debates they're involved in.

With Biden in office, he will just veto and I don't believe either party will have veto proof majority,
but let's use this against them during the campaign.

[gristy]

30. a black trial balloon, that's what this is

The Hill reported Wednesday that the GOP's so-called "fiscal hawks" want to push a balanced budget amendment, a proposal to amend the Constitution to require that spending not exceed revenue in any single year unless a large majority of members of Congress — typically three-fifths — agrees to it.

Can you imagine trying to run a country, any country, with this in its constitution? Effectively ANY spending would require a 3/5 majority to agree to.

[Emile]

32. All they care about is tax cuts for tax evading billionaires.

Seriously!