It seems hypocritical for the US to criticize Putin for doing the same

[raccoon]

thing that the Bush gang did in 2003.

I was totally against the invasion of Iraq and I’m totally against invasion of Ukraine now. But it would be a lot easier to sit in judgment on Putin if the US hadn’t done the same damn thing. On a trumped-up charge.

[comradebillyboy]

1. The US isn't threatening to invade Ukraine, the Russians are.

The Russians already have annexed Crimea and occupy the Donbass region. But you seem to think Putin and Russia are the victims.

[unweird]

2. War Crimes Have Consequences

From care for vets that participated to diplomacy hamstrung in hypocrisy.

[Budi]

3. Bush isn't our President & Biden's not invading anybody.

Oh ya, #Free Alexei Navalny
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/alexei-navalny-faces-10-more-years-prison-focus-ukraine-crisis-russia
Alexei Navalny faces 15 more years in prison as new trial starts
Russian opposition leader in fresh trial at penal colony far from support base on charge of embezzlement

FEB 15, 2022

[PortTack]

8. Oh gosh..he looks terrible. I feel so bad for him and his family

[Budi]

16. Navalny. Documentary on Novicek Poisioning /Sundance Fest

Preview clip.
https://www.sundance.org/blogs/2022-sundance-film-festival-announces-world-premiere-of-documentary-thriller-navalny/

Sundance Film Festival documentary Navalny, a surprise film that debuted on January 25, 2022, you are surely as eager as us to check it out. The film about the Russian novichok poisoning scandal, which was made in secret, could not come at a better time as tensions rise between the U.S and its allies and Russia due to the ongoing Ukraine conflict.

(The entire Doc can be viewed for free online, I just can't find it.
I believe it can be seen on HBO/MAX/Streaming etc since it's debut Jan 25.)

This should answer anyone who claims "leave Putin alone! & We should stay out of Ukraine! Sanctions are Off the Table!"

Putin is a psychotic killer of his own people. A KGB mobster tyrant & should be sanctioned back into a tiny hole in the farthest corner of Russia.
The Russian people should follow Alexei Navalney's lead & rise against Putin & the old Oligarchy Mob Guard of Semion Mogolevich.

No one should be choosing Putin over the free world.

[Ocelot II]

4. One is not like the other.

I agree that the invasion of Iraq was a disaster and it should not have happened, but it was not analogous in any way to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. The US was not trying to annex Iraq and claim it as its own territory.

[qazplm135]

5. Name a major power

That hasn't invaded someone in the last 100 years.

It's a short list.

So your proposal is what, the US should just forever remain silent because it once did something bad?

Sit down Germany, UK, you can't talk either?

I was against Iraq too, and it's real easy to be against Ukraine now.

[dalton99a]

10. +1. Heck, look at what Andrew Jackson did to Native Americans - in America

[Tommy Carcetti]

6. If this was 2003 and this was the Bush administration, sure.

It’s 19 years later though, three administrations removed, hindsight gained, so…what the hell of it?

[mathematic]

7. Gosh, wouldn't want hypocrisy to get in the way of a good annexation

If I have to hear one more appeal to hypocrisy that shifts attention from deplorable action I'm going to lose my mind.

On what planet is ideological consistency an equal virtue to NOT ANNEXING YOUR NEIGHBORS BY FORCE?

[Ocelot II]

9. Hypocrisy would be the US criticizing Putin for invading and trying to annex Ukraine

if the US had previously invaded and annexed Canada. The Iraq invasion, as ill-conceived and dishonestly justified as it was, wasn't anything like that.

[uponit7771]

39. RIGHT !!!

[Hortensis]

12. :) Agree, except for letting your spring be sprung.

Just imagine what it says about this poster that he's sincerely unable to "sit in judgement" of, well, presumably all other invasions by other nations, because, you know -- Iraq. Bless his heart.

Russia wants to take over nearly a couple dozen of them; but, if not Raccoon ,others (LOTS of others) will no doubt always show up to remind us we have no right to criticize.

[betsuni]

35. +1

[uponit7771]

38. +1

[marie999]

11. What I think it shows is Russia cannot trust the US any more than the US can trust Russia.

[Hortensis]

14. Equalizing us? Cuba and Venezuela must be expecting

to be invaded by the U.S. any day.

Or not.

[marie999]

17. The US may not be planning to invade another country right now,

but its history over the last 70 years shows it will invade countries.

[Hortensis]

20. Why AREN'T we planning on invading those nations, Marire?

Russia's excuse for invading Ukraine is 100% false. Ukraine's incredibly weaker an d poses no threat to Russia.

If Russia does deploy the military weaponry and personnel to Cuba and/or Venezuela that it's been negotiating, it would be for the specific purpose of threatening the U.S. And become a genuine threat.

You mention 70 years' history. Over those 70 years, almost all the nations of this planet came to depend on the U.S. to secure their stability and enable advances in wellbeing. To protect them against dangerous, predatory nations, including Russia.

Yes, we betrayed that trust and endangered the entire planet when we elected tRump. The differences between the U.S. and Russia are still beyond enormous.

That's why most of the leaders of the world are tremendously relieved to have the U.S. back and returning to its role of the past 70 years.

And meanwhile, we expect a Russian invasion of a sovereign state any hour.

[Demsrule86]

23. I don't want to hear what aboutism which is in effect a defense of mass murderer Putin.

So, I suppose Putin is justified somehow because we have not always been perfect... makes no sense.

[Hortensis]

33. Defending the indefensible is warped, but

some really do seem to imagine we're the worst, or just as bad, and that requires some real twisting.

How can anyone not know the good parts our nation has played ever since WWII in advancing nations around the planet and helping keep peace? How sad to only feel guilt where we've fallen short and no pride for the good we've helped accomplish for billions of people.

How dangerous to not know what to protect.

[Demsrule86]

24. I can't believe you are serious.

[marie999]

29. I am very serious in that I believe Putin doesn't trust NATO.

Read the article by National Security
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard

[sarisataka]

13. So should the US (Biden) STFU

And let this 'European problem' sort itself out?

[Caliman73]

15. And the US shouldn't criticize China for human rights abuses because you know...

It may well be hypocritical, but someone has to call out Russia and we are the most powerful nation on the planet right now, so may as well be us.

The most hypocritical thing, in American History is not admitting to our problems, mistakes, and the atrocities we have committed. If we did that, then we'd have less hypocrisy and more wisdom.

Still, as I said, someone has to do it and we chose to do so.

[W_HAMILTON]

18. This is straight up Russian propaganda.

"And you are lynching Negroes" -- look it up.

You are preaching to the choir around here. Do you think there are many Democrats here at DU that supported the Iraq War?

All you are doing with this message is providing cover for Putin's actions. Shame on you.

[William769]

19. It's called Democracy

Shesh.

[emulatorloo]

21. 'Whataboutism' at its worst. Look it up, whataboutism is a well known Russian propaganda technique

I’m sure you didn't mean to engage in whataboutism, but maybe consider self-deleting.

[Demsrule86]

22. Not even close to being the same.

[Cha]

25. NO IT Doesn't. We Fucking

"Criticized" bush gang for It.

I know.. I was there.

[emulatorloo]

26. ...

[Cha]

36. Aloha, emulastorloo!

[uponit7771]

40. +1

[malaise]

27. +1,000

Truth matters - what's worse is the breath-taking hypocrisy from M$Greedia and the MIC posse.

[FreepFryer]

30. Okey doke (Nt)

[JI7]

31. This is such BS argument. We should never call out wrongdoing then

And Russia also opposed the iraq invasion even though they have a history of invading and did so in Ukraine recently.

[JI7]

32. Then We shouldn't have gotten involved in WW2 either

[leftstreet]

34. DURec

[uponit7771]

37. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!

[Shellback Squid]

41. wut?...oh, I forgot Saddam, Don jr and Eric were great people, no we should have not invaded

but what you are saying is that Putin should, because we invaded Iraq, and you are against it

[prodigitalson]

42. And just as in the war of aggression that Bush waged

the aggressor will defeat the victims in the initial conventional fighting in the first phase. Putin will think Mission accomplished. Then the real war will begin in the form of a relentless insurgency that might mean the end of Putin´s power and possibly his very life.

[iemanja]

43. Are you suggesting that Biden is the same as Bush?