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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 01:54 AM Feb 2022

If Biden in 2024, who do we most want him to run against?

And why?


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pence
4 (44%)
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If Biden in 2024, who do we most want him to run against? (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 OP
Anyone. nt MerryHolidays Feb 2022 #1
Exactly. Kid Berwyn Feb 2022 #33
Biggest risk, biggest reward is TFG, so it depends on how strong your stomach is... RockRaven Feb 2022 #2
Let's just say it ends up being fg. It would mean that Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #3
Biden beats Trump again in current polls. He also beats DeSantis and gldstwmn Feb 2022 #25
The polls I have seen have a different result. former9thward Feb 2022 #27
They are here: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/ gldstwmn Feb 2022 #30
Pence would be a stronger candidate than any Trumpian like Desantis, everyonematters Feb 2022 #4
Guessing. Too tied to Trump's crimes PLUS trump base Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #5
Pence alienated the Trumpy base, which they cannot win without Amishman Feb 2022 #6
Zero chance? Polybius Feb 2022 #9
+1 Celerity Feb 2022 #11
Have you ever seen numbers that show trump's Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #21
I really can't take another round of TFG. Not even as a candidate. smirkymonkey Feb 2022 #7
Who's "nimrata?" Polybius Feb 2022 #8
Nikki Haley. nt PunkinPi Feb 2022 #10
Reminds me of nimrod. Bet she'll be someone's VP Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #15
We get to see GOPers go through the mental splitting of justifying anchor babies & chain migration. TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #16
Pence has most of tRump's weaknesses without TFG's evil cult mania. Hortensis Feb 2022 #12
Hey! So true. I had never seen this before until yesterday. So oddly unnerving Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #13
That's hilarious! And would make a great political ad. I bet one of the Hortensis Feb 2022 #17
Yes. And I think what's even more disturbing is how they talk about Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #22
Interesting point, Laura. I wonder if psychologists recognize it as Hortensis Feb 2022 #24
You reminded me of that portrait of himself that he bought Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #26
Lol, hope you got to sleep before long. Imagine we all know Hortensis Feb 2022 #28
Pictures please! JonAndKatePlusABird Feb 2022 #31
They're absolutely gorgeous, JonAnd. "Mess? Please." Hortensis Feb 2022 #32
Beating him again would be very satisfying, but.. mvd Feb 2022 #14
Is no one an option? maxsolomon Feb 2022 #18
It would be very interesting to hear what " normal" mod republicans Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #23
Anyone but Trump karynnj Feb 2022 #19
It won't matter DFW Feb 2022 #20
Too early to think about it. Emile Feb 2022 #29
Maybe not. Don't they start 2 years before? So Nov '22 Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #34
Who's fg? nt Quixote1818 Feb 2022 #35
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
3. Let's just say it ends up being fg. It would mean that
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 02:21 AM
Feb 2022

He really bloodied up pence and desantis to win nomination. And he probably would have cheated/finagled nom process in some way. All this should diminish his overall support. That is in a just world

You are right .. most risk most reward.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
30. They are here: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 04:02 PM
Feb 2022

Biden leading Trump, DeSantis by similar margins in new poll
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/591590-biden-leading-trump-desantis-by-similar-margins-in-new-poll
Apologies for the source.

Susquehanna has both Biden and Harris beating Trump. You can see that poll on 538.

everyonematters

(3,433 posts)
4. Pence would be a stronger candidate than any Trumpian like Desantis,
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 02:27 AM
Feb 2022

but I don't think he much of a chance to win the nomination. It will be Trump or another Trumpian candidate. Why do people want him to run against Pence?

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
6. Pence alienated the Trumpy base, which they cannot win without
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 07:38 AM
Feb 2022

But, he's more dangerous than Trump because there is a small chance that through the campaign he could mend the rift between the 'normal' republicans and the Trumpists.

Trump himself on the other hand would never be able to unify their electorate again and only drive them further apart. He'd be my pick, zero chance of winning and likely to do long term damage to them as well.

Polybius

(15,407 posts)
9. Zero chance?
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 09:56 AM
Feb 2022

Never say zero. If Biden is polling bad and no voting rights are passed, then he could win.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
21. Have you ever seen numbers that show trump's
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:08 PM
Feb 2022

supporters? Like any demographic growth? I have not. But just thinking about it... He lost in 2020. And that was before 1-6 horror. Since then his acct got indicted and investigations on rise. He is acting battier than ever.

So I agree how could he possibly win? Can't see suburbs thinking " one second thought, love this guy" Nothing good for him has happened, only bad things. Unless he seriously cheats is the only way or if our candidate weakens considerably. But by mid 2023 inflation will have diminished. Covid will be horrible memory I hope.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. I really can't take another round of TFG. Not even as a candidate.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 07:41 AM
Feb 2022

I just can't effing put up with him anymore.

TheBlackAdder

(28,192 posts)
16. We get to see GOPers go through the mental splitting of justifying anchor babies & chain migration.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:49 AM
Feb 2022

.

Oh, it would be her turn to justify why at times she claims to be White and other times a minority.

.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Pence has most of tRump's weaknesses without TFG's evil cult mania.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:16 AM
Feb 2022

We saw how amazingly easily they could be turned on Pence, and I feel quite sure tRump would loathe the very idea of Pence becoming president... He'd never be able to maintain even a pretense of support for a year.


Definitely Pence.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. That's hilarious! And would make a great political ad. I bet one of the
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 12:26 PM
Feb 2022

late shows did a whole montage of the imitative behaviors he was famous for. That or those'd turn up again.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
22. Yes. And I think what's even more disturbing is how they talk about
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:16 PM
Feb 2022

trump's obsession with moving things away from in front of him. Strikes me as a very strange mental behavior. And much more than worrying about a photo op. What do you think? Think related to his narcissism? Like I am so incredibly brilliant that I don't need anything whatsoever in front of me to help me whatever the situation is? Uber human - don't even need water?

Maybe same thing with him destroying documents? I mean over and above not wanting to have a paper trail. Its like I am so smart I don't need notes?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Interesting point, Laura. I wonder if psychologists recognize it as
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:52 PM
Feb 2022

possibly characteristic of something or other.

I've read that clinical narcissists are obsessed with their appearance to others, so perhaps he's constantly trying to keep the foreground worthy of his magnificent visage?

Speaking of, a real hoot and wowser, btw, is something I read about how they tend to fantasize. Hadn't thought about this for a long time. Most of us do stories involving ourselves in some pleasing way. Many narcissists instead seemingly fantasize an idealized image of themselves and just...sit and admire it. The favorite image may go decades with little change, and their hairstyles and so on in their image were often originally copied from someone admired when they were young.

It occurred to me when I read that that Troy Donahue and Elvis would have been romantic movie stars about the right time. Of course, there was also Mother...

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. You reminded me of that portrait of himself that he bought
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:35 PM
Feb 2022

with foundation $. And unfortunately I made myself mad too close to going to sleep LOL

How did the foundation get away with all the shenanigans? Foundation was dissolved but was that it? No payback? Well gave myself something new to look up

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2019/02/27/trump-spent-dollar60000-in-foundation-money-to-buy-vanity-portrait-michael-cohen-reveals-in-testimony

Trump spent $60,000 in foundation money to buy vanity portrait, Michael Cohen reveals in testimony

Cohen stated that Trump set up a fake buyer to bid on his portrait by the artist William Quigley at the Art Hamptons auction so that it would garner the highest price among all of the works in the sale. As the last lot, the portrait ultimately went for $60,000, and the Trump Foundation then repaid the straw bidder. Cohen also testified that the portrait is now displayed in a country club owned by Trump.

The defunct foundation’s other questionable spending includes buying another portrait of Trump at a 2014 auction for $10,000 after no bids were placed on the work, and using $20,000 in charity funds to buy a painting of a firefighter from an auction at Mar-a-Lago in 2007.





Ha on emulating someone like Elvis with his hair. So many things now that you think about in retrospect should have been serious red flags huh.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Lol, hope you got to sleep before long. Imagine we all know
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:43 AM
Feb 2022

the hazards of social media at bedtime. How amazing to donate a portrait of yourself. Maybe just to have it shown.

It's going to be a pretty day, which means yard work put off while I snuggled inside. A neighbor's little flock of chickens is very cute but also very hard on the plantings.

31. Pictures please!
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 03:54 AM
Feb 2022

Would love to see a pic of the neighbors’ chicks!

As collateral, here’s my furry family. Would NOT trust either around any birds unfortunately, all they’d do is make a mess…

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. They're absolutely gorgeous, JonAnd. "Mess? Please."
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 10:02 AM
Feb 2022

There are cats around, feral and domestic, but they don't seem to take on the chickens. You remind me that I haven't gotten a decent pic of them yet (sorry) and should try harder. They're all as full of themselves as your cats no doubt are, but the personality of one like this (but "ours" prefers her hat with the feathers curled) is even more standout than her very absurd looks. She's taken a fancy to my husband and his workshop and doesn't take no for an answer.



mvd

(65,173 posts)
14. Beating him again would be very satisfying, but..
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:29 AM
Feb 2022

I don’t ever want to think about TFG again. Just as long as we win, I don’t care who it is.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. It would be very interesting to hear what " normal" mod republicans
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:28 PM
Feb 2022

think. Surely there are some that don't want FGI or FGII. Although they may not care who it is, as long as the person cares about keeping the rich rich.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
19. Anyone but Trump
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 01:37 PM
Feb 2022

Even if we are convinced he would lose in the general, the signal to the world that after everything the Republicans still choose him sends a devastating signal to the world.

DFW

(54,372 posts)
20. It won't matter
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 01:57 PM
Feb 2022

The Republicans could put up Punxsutawney Phil for President, and they'd get just as many votes as they would with a bi-ped.

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