Russian state media reporting "major" explosion near a government building in the centre of Donetsk

[yaesu]

Per the Guardian just now, false flag incidents are escalating

Also

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Nance is referring to this

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Per the Guardian: Here’s more on the reports that an explosion took place in central Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.

According to the Tass news agency, the large explosion occurred near a government building in the separatist-held city.

Separatist authorities in east Ukraine say a car was blown up in the centre of Donetsk, Tass news agency said.

Russia’s Interfax news agency reports no one was hurt by the explosion.

[cilla4progress]

1. Russians are going to have another forever war on their hands

in the heart of Europe.

The Ukrainians will not roll over for them.

Pray for Ukraine.

[maxsolomon]

2. If Putin's intent is to carve out a "Russian" eastern Ukraine

and stop short of the Dneiper and occupying Kyiv, it may not be a forever war.

"Finlandization" may be Ukraine's best option. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/world/europe/ukraine-russia-finlandization.html

[cilla4progress]

3. That's such bullshit.

A truly free Ukraine has the right to join NATO! Maybe it will buy time till Putin is dead.

[maxsolomon]

4. That's the deal Finland thought it had to make

to stay out of the Eastern Block.

Have you read about the NATO anti-missile missile bases coming on-line in Poland and Romania? That may be what this is all about - Putin wants those gone.

[cilla4progress]

6. Yes, I heard someone talk about them last night -

that they are aimed at Iran, not Russia.

I can hardly stand it - that a species would do this to one another.

Humans are disgusting.

[Tommy Carcetti]

5. Why does Ukraine have to Finlandize?

Finland doesn't even want to Finlandize.

[maxsolomon]

18. To remain an independent country?

I'm not saying they SHOULD Finlandize; Macron said that's on the table as a way to avert invasion.

Another term for it is just Realpolitik.

[multigraincracker]

7. Putins 200,000 troops vs 43 million Ukraine population.

Almost like our invasion of VN. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin?
Good luck with that.

[sarisataka]

8. How many of those 43 million

Can/will fight. How many of those have weapons? How many of those have training to survive their first combat?

Do you recall what has been said about what would happen if RW gun owners were to rise up in the US?

[multigraincracker]

9. A large indigenous population

has alway been a hard fight for invaders. Didn't the Ukraine successfully resist Russian once already?

[sarisataka]

10. Not really

There was resistance under Stalin but he was ruthless in maintaining control. They regained independence when the Soviet Union dissolved.

[Mysterian]

15. Assuming an invasion: Whatever resistance forces organize,

they will receive massive assistance from the West.

[multigraincracker]

22. Just go back to 2012 to 2014 and take a look

at Russias attempt to take over Eastern Ukraine. Much like what is going on today. Putin backed off when other countries threatened to get involve.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26248275

snip

March 2014

28 March: US President Barack Obama urges Moscow to "move back its troops" and lower tensions.

18 March: President Putin signs a bill to absorb Crimea into the Russian Federation.

17 March: The EU and US impose travel bans and asset freezes on several officials from Russia and Ukraine over the Crimea referendum.

16 March: Crimea's secession referendum on joining Russia is backed by 97% of voters, organisers say, but vote condemned by West as a sham.

Fear and unease in Novo-Ozyorne

1 March: Russia's parliament approves President Vladimir Putin's request to use force in Ukraine to protect Russian interests.

much more at the link.

[sarisataka]

23. Are you trying to say

Russia is not in de facto control of Crimea? Are not pro-Russian force in control of Donetsk and Luhansk?

For backing off, Putin ended up with more than he started.

Maybe if everyone stands up for Ukraine they will only lose control of three more regions, this time.

[multigraincracker]

24. I'm talking about the draw back of

Russian supported Ukrainians giving up in Eastern Ukraine. No doubt at all they were under Putins direction at the time.

[sarisataka]

25. It's easy to drawback

When your objective has been achieved.

He gained some territory then, he wants more now.

[cilla4progress]

17. This from a couple days ago

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-grandmother-children-guns-b2014816.html


Ukraine citizens from 79 year-old great grandmother to children take up arms as Russia war fears grow
‘I will defend my home, my city, my children’, says one great-grandmother

[sarisataka]

19. I saw that

Makes for good press but honestly how much will babushka be able to contribute?

[cilla4progress]

20. I know...

Thank goddess for all the journalists there making sure this aggression doesn't go unnoticed.

I just don't think most of the civilized world will tolerate this. Of course, that eliminates MAGATs.

[sarisataka]

21. I truly hope I am wrong

But I think Putin will bet he can ride out any sanctions

[bahboo]

11. expose the living hell out of all these....

gotta combat their disinformation....

[cilla4progress]

12. McFaul now on Twitter

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Damn if I can unroll!

[cilla4progress]

13. Post 2 (McFaul)

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[cilla4progress]

16. And 3 /final

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