Why Trump will never be locked up.

[Chainfire]

The American Oligarchs, the famous, the rich, and the powerful can not allow Trump to be jailed. As the justice system stands now, they are basically immune from laws that govern the rest of us. If Trump, the former President, can go to jail for crimes committed, that that means that they are also in jeopardy of the people's justice. They can never allow that to happen. Trump has know that all along, thus his statement about shooting someone on 5th Ave. The rest of the wealthy know the same thing, they are just too polite to say it in public.

We are getting all of this "feel good" news about poor old Trump's legal problems. He will never face a problem that he can not pay his way out of. If he can't afford to buy his way out of trouble, someone else will as a matter of self preservation. This country is all pay to pay. People get all the justice that they can afford. It is our system. It will remain our system as long as elections are bought and sold by big money.

[WarGamer]

1. Fairness dictates Trump MUST be prosecuted.

I have only ONE misgiving.

I think it will open the door for vengeful "Witch Hunts" in the future.

Will a future Congress (2023, 2025?) open Congressional hearings on Hillary, or Hunter or Obama or Joe or Lord knows what?? After all... former POTUS papers can be released by the next administration, right?

Justice is waiting for Trump... but it's going to set an ugly precedent.

Having said that... I'm still in favor of prosecution if a fool-proof case can be made to a Jury of Trump's peers which probably means a Jury consultant getting 6 Trump voters on a Jury.

[Chainfire]

3. I did not say that he would not be prosecuted. I said that he would never be locked up. (jailed)

[WarGamer]

5. Fair point.

[SoCalDavidS]

19. I Seriously Doubt He Will Even Be Prosecuted

He is going to escape ALL accountability. Even the appearance of accountability, meaning any sort of legitimate prosecution.

[area51]

63. +1 n/t

[Haggard Celine]

2. Another reason is that as a former President,

he is entitled to Secret Service protect for the rest of his life. I can see him put under house arrest, where he can be easily looked after, but it would be difficult to guard him in prison all of the time. I would.be satisfied if he were confined to Maga Lardo and prohibited from golfing.

[WarGamer]

4. You're forgetting about the conviction part.

Convincing 12 of Trump's peers that he's guilty.

You think the Jury consultant won't get 6 Trump voters on the Jury?

[Chainfire]

6. Jurors can be bought and sold just like Senators.

Trump may end up having to pay a pile of fines, but that will be the limit of his "punishment" for the crimes he has committed.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. As a percentage, more Senators have been caught grifting than jurors. . . . nt

[Irish_Dem]

7. If it is a jury trial, hard to imagine he will be found guilty.

Too many white supremacy, racist people in the US.

[WarGamer]

8. Yeah...

We're in this weird cultural scenario like a neighborhood in Jersey where half the street wears Yankee jerseys and the other half wears Mets jerseys... completely bifurcated.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Internal psy-ops warfare.

Just like the GOP wants.

[electric_blue68]

58. off topic but...

that sounds funny (that NJ town)!

As a Very Northern Mahattanite we were pretty close to Yankee Stadium. My closest to us Uncle was a Yankees fan. So I was a Yankees fan bc I like/d sports.

But over several years of Mad Magazine making
merciless fun of Casey Stengle, and The Mets I became a Mets fan. I retain fondness for the Yanks (but not the steroid cheaters).

I'm happy when either team makes it to the Play offs, and WS
But for the At Home Subway Series I cheer for The Mets.
👍

When I lived in Brooklyn I happened upon (as I heading some where) a plaque denoting where The Brooklyn Dodgers played. ( before my time)

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. He can have his own wing at Club Fed with his daughter and sons. Cozy. Easy to secure

They would just love being together for some extended quality time, right?

[electric_blue68]

56. If he actually gets to Club Fed say for 15+ yrs...

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Yeah, it's a semi cushy prison as prisons go.

But for me not being able to go anywhere else would drive me half batty, or more! Gaaaaaah! 😄
And it's not the luxury he's been used to living.

Is there a putting green at CF?

[Irish_Dem]

10. The plan is probably to convict as many higher ups as they can.

To send a message to future aiders and abetters to POTUS crimes.

To hopefully avoid such a wide spread and deep group of POTUS co-conspirators.

[Emile]

13. Trump is the first President to be impeached twice. Maybe he'll be the first

President to serve a prison term.

[jimfields33]

21. We must keep the house in November! It's imperative!

[Emile]

24. What does that even mean? If we don't get justice by sending TFG

to prison we will lose the house?

[MyOwnPeace]

35. No, it means that if.....

we don't keep the House there's a very likely chance that all inquiry and committee action re: Jan. 6 will stop. You KNOW the republiQans don't want to investigate themselves........

[Kingofalldems]

38. Good question.

[jimfields33]

65. No. If you read the post I was referring to, you'd get it.

Try again please.

[dem4decades]

14. Where's Garland? That's all I want to know; he's leaving the heavy lifting to others.

I'm so sick of his lack of action I can spit.

[ificandream]

17. I think things are happening ...

... and I think Garland is playing it low until he's ready to strike. Not that that might influence him, but you realize how the right-wing media would react if they knew Garland was after him? Everyone is playing it low. But with the headlines we're seeing each day, I think something will happen. Maybe not tomorrow, but in the future -- and before Biden's term ends.

[dem4decades]

22. I'd like to think you're right, but I don't see it. And if Garland is afraid to bring charges I'm

done.

[ificandream]

40. I'd like to think we don't necessarily have to "see" something happening ...

The new headlines almost on a daily basis are a good indication that he's in deep shit. Most of us here (at DU) think that with the way he's escaped things so far he'll escape this. I hope that's not true, but given the stuff in New York and Washington, between the two I think his goose is frying. As the Wicked Witch of the West told Dorothy, "All in good time..."

[monkeyman1]

42. hope it's before TDFG life cycle terminates ?

[Silent3]

66. Before Biden's term ends isn't soon enough. Before THIS November is what we need...

...and it's already too late for that most likely. The bad news and intra-Republican backstabbing that prosecutions and convictions would be setting off is needed NOW, before Republicans can further entrench power in November. If we aren't saved from Republicans getting the House in November, and further taking over elections at the state and local level around the country, our democracy could well be beyond saving.

Anything DoJ might do after that will be too little too late.

[Mr. Ected]

15. Capitalism is kryptonite to democracy

The founders' experiment never stood a chance.

It took society 240 years to become crass enough to see it brought to its death throes.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

26. But we still got the rah rah capitalism is good crowd

Saying what would you put in its place?

Well there are options being thought out but they will not see it. They pooh pooh it,I wonder why?
Somebody too comfortable to question or even think of alternatives? Much less even try it.

There's alot of people like this in this country .

[Mr. Ected]

47. National socialism like many Western European countries feature fits American democracy like a glove

But our monied interests will never capitulate to a watering down of a raw capitalistic system, nor will our population ever care as much about the society they live in as they do about themselves as individuals. They're simply not that evolved.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

48. Its so fucking sad isnt it?

Every one of our lives would be better,more secure and more free.

[Mr. Ected]

49. Especially, and I mean especially, the very people who so vehemently oppose it

They've been brainwashed and misdirected and manipulated by the very same monied interests that won't ever permit us to have nice things.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

50. Eventually as climate change ravages the world

I have a feeling eventually they will lose those nice things because other people want to survive too.

[Mr. Ected]

53. It's too bad that two authors on DU could so easily improve life in the USA now and in the future

But instead mankind is doomed to destroy itself by carelessness and indifference, greed and apathy.

[electric_blue68]

60. I started to understand more about European democratic socialism about 35+ yrs ago...

and do find it's an interesting, and positive system.

I reject laizze faire Capitalism, some one mentioned another form of extremely nasty Capitalism in a different thread, which has suddenly slipped my mind.

Thom Hartman back on (rip) Air America talked about FDR's second (or economic) Bill of Rights.
It's fascinatng! ( 1- unfortunately he died, 2- it may not have applied to BPOC).

Check it out. 👍

[Quemado]

16. The saddest part of all

When you fail (yes, you, Merrick Garland - I am calling you out) to indict someone who has committed numerous crimes over the past 5 years, let alone most of his adult life, you create someone who is above the law. It is setting a precedent that leads to the decline of the country, and weakens the rule of law.

Merrick Garland's failure is fairly comparable to Neville Chamberlain's placating of Hitler. A giant failure. One that will become legendary, as the authoritarians who will eventually take over will not permit to be printed in history books.

I cannot prove it, but I believe that the failure to indict Trump may be tied to the super-rich in this country who have successfully bought off the right people to prevent the indictment.

[dem4decades]

23. Nancy Pelosi sends me messages virtually every day for money. I replied I would donate

after Garland shows me some sign of an investigation. Probably not popular around here but that's my position now.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

27. I agree

Thats why the super rich must not be allowed to amass that kind of wealth. They are thieves.

[monkeyman1]

43. Action speak's a 1000 word's ?

[usonian]

18. Squeeze and he flees.

It's all about the ego.

I predict a seastading island where he can write his own laws, like he tried to do here. And take a cadre of chumps with him to pay the bills.

[Binkie The Clown]

20. Yeah. Even MArtha Stewart got away with..... oh wait. Never mind. nt

[mzmolly]

25. Epstein

was wealthy. ... I continue to hope.

[gab13by13]

30. Yeah right,

he had the goods on more powerful people.

Reminds me of the Mad Magazine cartoon. Skinny guy takes his girl to the beach, muscle bound guy kicks sand in his face. Skinny guy takes a Charles Atlas body building course and buffs up. He takes his girl to the beach and a humongous muscle bound guy kicks sand in his face.

[MyOwnPeace]

41. I truly DO remember that one!

Wasn't Don Martin the cartoonist?

And YES, that WAS a great TRUE LIFE lesson!

[mzmolly]

46. Yes he had the goods.

And, he was jailed.

[bucolic_frolic]

28. Elba

It's what we do to deposed rulers. Ask Baby Doc.

If you put Trump in jail, every future Democratic president will have similar destiny.

[NullTuples]

29. His statement about shooting someone on 5th Ave was based on a 1973 FBI memo

However, the memo also says that after impeachment proceedings in the House have concluded - win or lose & regardless of what the Senate might do - they can then move forward with criminal investigations and prosecution.

Strangely, that second half never happened.

Either time.

[gab13by13]

34. The Watergate grand jury

named Nixon as an unindicted co-conspirator. When Nixon resigned and wasn't indicted the members of the grand jury were pissed, they felt there was enough evidence to convict Nixon. That memo has yet to be challenged, and with this fascist SC forget it.

[Chainfire]

78. However, we are certainly not the same nation that we were in the 1970s.

Apparently, the greatest generation died off before those of us left learned how to govern. It is my generation's (boomer) fault. We had it so easy that we forgot that we had to nurture our democracy, it became infected with evil, and now, no one knows the cure.

Nixon was on his way out, the easy way or the hard way and he knew it. The people were mad as hell when they found out what a crook he was. Now nearly half of the people in the country think that the crook is some kind of outlaw hero; a real Robbin Hood or Jessie James of politics. A man who finally promotes racism, misogyny, hate, fear, greed and an unlimited lust for power to the mainstream of our fair nation. His followers are relishing in the message and think it is about damn time they had a turn.

Perhaps, after we go through a bout of Fascism, a financial depression, and a major war the survivors will remember what government is for and grow a new respect for things like truth and justice and Democracy. Unfortunately, the major war will probably be fought between New York and Los Angles, Miami and Anchorage, and there will be a lot of people who are not around for the renaissance.

We beat the hell out of Donald Trump, (with cause) but he is only a symptom, a poster boy, of the evil that is growing up around us. If Trump choked to death on a chicken bone tonight, it would not return stability to the country. If we convict and sentence him to prison (the right thing to do) he will be a martyr for the Nazi bastards to focus on.

This country is full of mean-ass people today, they think that it is their turn to rule the rest of us, and they would just as soon kill you as not.

[Joe Nation]

31. You could not be more correct Chainfire.

If it actually came to the point where there was no choice but to find Trump or any wealthy person guilty, they would stroke out, get pardoned, or get off on some technicality. Trump will never see the inside of a jail cell. I don't care what they find him guilty of, you will never see Trump in a richly deserved orange jump suit.

[flying_wahini]

32. I dunno. The feel good DOES feel good. And sometimes things go your way. I'm not so sure

That Trump is widely regarded as One of Them. All the wrongs he’s done May rise up to bite him on the ass. Karma is a bitch.

[Ford_Prefect]

33. Consider Jeffrey Epstein...

A whole lot of people sleep much easier now that he is gone. But we do not know who his customers and fellow travelers were.

DJT has a wide and extensive paper trail along with many fellow travelers ready, willing, and able to roll over on him. He's going to set a record for how many lawsuits are tied to his name. The GOP and their rich enablers are very worried about the fallout from this, as they should be. This is NOT Hollywood and the bad guy hasn't got leverage to use. He's also out of his mind.

[Chainfire]

71. That may be why Epstein can't talk now.

[Ford_Prefect]

73. I suspect a part of that has to do with who he can no longer discuss and what he hid about them.

DJT is quite the opposite. Much of what he did was in public view and many of the records are available, along with a large number of witnesses. The people he could shield are already talking to investigators and prosecutors. I agree that the Dark Money crowd may have influence and sufficient exposure to make a silent DJT very useful. On the other hand, we have a different administration in Washington now and different pans in the fire.

[EmeraldCoaster]

36. He is going to prison!

Bookit.

[Roy Rolling]

37. Justice Delayed is Justice Denied

Trump is approaching 80 years old, and been involved with questionable activities for half a century. Too late for the false satisfaction of justice being served, the damage he’s caused to millions and 900,000 deaths from Coronavirus are the score for his presidency. The legal system has failed if it has taken 50 years to have him account for his crimes.

They lost.

How they un-ring that bell of non-prosecution I don’t know, but I still would welcome it.

[smirkymonkey]

59. Honestly, he should have been in prison a long time ago.

Along with his 3 oldest children who have been accomplices since they could walk. It just amazes me that someone so stupid, incompetent and despicable has gotten away with so much for so long.

It is so bizarre that someone like him has gotten away with the crimes he has. He has not only never been caught up with by LE, but has never been taken to task by organized crime. I am sure he has screwed over plenty of people in that sector as well. How has such a lying, cheating, unlikable, moron managed to be so effing lucky in life. I am completely baffled.

It will always be one of the great mysteries of the world. I swear, he has made a pact with the actual devil, whom I never really belived in until now.

[Meowmee]

68. He paid people off most likely

He has been involved with oc and Russian mobsters for years, they and others bailed him out after several bankruptcies. His father’s biz was also part of all of that.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

39. I'll be satisfied if he's tarred, feathered and run out on a rail. n/t

[ashredux]

44. Really don't need to lock HIM up. But everyone else, lock them up

[monkeyman1]

45. All talk & no action !! stealing classified documents is big time felony!

a damn spy would be locked up & had their first hearing by now ! sick of this shit !

[Shellback Squid]

51. cool story bro

[Septua]

52. Some of the famous, rich and powerful get locked up

10 Richest People In Prison

https://www.thetalko.com/richest-people-prison-crime-committed/

I'm waiting on Garland to fulfill his pledge that no one is above the law. But the NY and GA AGs may get him before Garland.

[emulatorloo]

54. Unrec for fact-free gloom and doom. Plus I think your crystal bail needs repair!

[Chainfire]

72. We will see.

The day that Trump is booked, photographed and fingerprinted, I will make a point of begging your pardon. I won't even wait for a trial. How is that?

So far, the facts are on my side. Trump is a crook and he is living in a mansion in Florida, under government protection, where he is free to travel, recruit, graft and continue lawbreaking. I don't need a crystal bail to see that.

Even with the gloom and doom, I hope that you are right and that I am wrong, for my ego is not as strong as my sense of justice.

[L. Coyote]

55. Bullshit.

Albeit, I admit I got as far as the first word of liner two.

Don't say you weren't warned!

[Doodley]

57. No jury will agree. Go after his circle, his family, his enablers, his money, and hope the stress

gets to the bastard.

[Septua]

61. I think I already said it but...

..Trump and all those complicit in the attempted coup have to go down for the crime, some way, some how. Shady business practices are one thing but attempting to nullify the results of an election and take command of and control over, the country is not legal, is not acceptable and cannot be tolerated to any degree, in any form.

Regardless what you call the crime, regardless the intricacy in proving intent, regardless the absence of precedent, regardless public opinion, regardless threats of a civil war, regardless the time necessary to build the case, Trump and accomplices are fucking treasonous criminals and must be indicted.

There is simply no other option or alternative action to consider and everybody knows it.

[Silent3]

70. IF we are to save our system of government, yes, but I'm not sure...

…we’re going to save it.

[CaptainTruth]

62. For the same reasons GW Bush & Cheney et al weren't prosecuted & locked up...

...for war crimes.

When the Bush/Cheney administration ended I said that as long as they walked free there would be no true justice in America.

That was many years ago ... & with the Trump regime, I've been feeling like I'm having deja vu all over again.

[electric_blue68]

64. I still hold out some hope he'll be in prison...

There's certainly people in all the groups you delineated that find him just awful!


We'll see...one way, or another at some point.

[Skittles]

67. try to imagine a woman or a POC behaving like Trump

he is THE biggest example of rich white male privilege in my lifetime

[Meowmee]

69. He can't escape death

Lets hope it comes to him sooner than later.

[brooklynite]

74. So President Biden and AG Garland take instructions from "the American Oligarchs"?

[BlackSkimmer]

75. I agree that he'll never do a single day of time in prison.

I’ve got money on it.

I will be happy to lose that bet.

[Meowmee]

79. I should place a bet on it.

[634-5789]

76. Silver lining: That fat, greasy, orange lump won't live a hell of a lot longer.

[msfiddlestix]

77. With great sadness, I acknowledge the basic premise as a historical fact, which has not changed...

.... thus far.

The wealthy oligarchs will not allow this to occur. they will do whatever it takes to keep the status quo in place.