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edhopper

(33,487 posts)
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 06:48 PM Feb 2022

It goes back to Reagan

so many things we have to deal with goes back to Reagan fucking things up.

Trickle Down Economics bullshit (or give the Rich all the money)
Let's destroy Unions and keep wages permanently low
Get rid of the Fairness Doctrine and bring on Faux News
Making Racism cool again
War on Environmentalism
....

Feel free to add to the list of how this evil SOB started the decline of the U.S.A.

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It goes back to Reagan (Original Post) edhopper Feb 2022 OP
Mourning in America Mme. Defarge Feb 2022 #1
Annoys me to this day that he had a democratic congress for most of his jimfields33 Feb 2022 #18
The House was Democratic for Reagan's entire 2 terms MichMan Feb 2022 #24
I just can't fathom that. Reagan only signed what was put in front of him. jimfields33 Feb 2022 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Feb 2022 #26
Yup. Disappointing and hard to forget. The working KPN Feb 2022 #34
"The solid south" as it was termed jimmil Feb 2022 #41
Reagan benefitted the wealthy, just about all of congress is very wealthy. Probably heavy into LiberalArkie Feb 2022 #45
congress made his presidency what it was. see GWB's. + trumps. pansypoo53219 Feb 2022 #50
My daughter, to this day, MOMFUDSKI Feb 2022 #2
What's ironic is the glory days Alpeduez21 Feb 2022 #27
You make an excellent point Ohioboy Feb 2022 #35
Yep Rebl2 Feb 2022 #40
That's the nail you hit on its head. Reagan brought out the "union in name only" types. jaxexpat Feb 2022 #33
Worse yet, Lane Kirkland, the head of the AFL-CIO PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2022 #53
Mental Health Systems leftieNanner Feb 2022 #3
I think he did that edhopper Feb 2022 #7
Yes, he did. BigmanPigman Feb 2022 #15
St. Ronnie Raygun also did away with free public college in CA. OMGWTF Feb 2022 #28
HRC's declaring of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" ymetca Feb 2022 #4
Not enough voters edhopper Feb 2022 #8
In hindsight our biggest mistake was backing down when they escalated live love laugh Feb 2022 #65
IranContragate and its cover up Sanity Claws Feb 2022 #5
Republicans screwed their constituents and they blamed it all on the Democrats.... spanone Feb 2022 #6
I like that, "Refucklicans". Joinfortmill Feb 2022 #39
They still are. KPN Feb 2022 #46
Yes they are. spanone Feb 2022 #47
This is why I get so angry at people who don't vote. johnp3907 Feb 2022 #9
Thank you. Many don't know how Colin Kaepernick adversely affected Hillary's oasis Feb 2022 #52
As a rich man a lot of things don't affect him personally. johnp3907 Feb 2022 #57
I had no idea. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2022 #55
Treat women, poor people and minorities like the enemy. we can do it Feb 2022 #10
And Ronny also went after the two year free college in California that Pat Brown had put in place turbinetree Feb 2022 #11
taxing unemployment and social security WhiteTara Feb 2022 #12
That's a big one -- especially in light of tax cuts the Rs KPN Feb 2022 #48
I agree. Hard to believe we got a right wing President only a few years after the public disgrace jalan48 Feb 2022 #13
Illegal deal with Iran on the hostages edhopper Feb 2022 #14
Bush Sr had been the head of the CIA in 1976-77. The hostage crisis was manipulated by him jalan48 Feb 2022 #16
I wonder how long it will take to undo everything he did? MichMan Feb 2022 #17
First we have to try MuseRider Feb 2022 #20
You are correct. MuseRider Feb 2022 #19
"The homeless choose to be that way." Aristus Feb 2022 #21
The foundations go back farther, but yeah, Reagan is when they launched... JHB Feb 2022 #22
I worked for the govt when the 1981 PATCO strike happened... bluboid Feb 2022 #23
He was always harping on "The Welfare Queen." japple Feb 2022 #29
Deregulation everywhere BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #30
Destroy public education and make higher education unaffordable nt Wicked Blue Feb 2022 #31
He's one of the reasons I left the Air Force after 12 years instead of going for 20 and retirement. SeattleVet Feb 2022 #32
I was absolutely disgusted how many voters fell for the Reagan con Skittles Feb 2022 #38
I had a reaction to Reagan's voice that's like when dogs howl at certain sounds. betsuni Feb 2022 #36
Agree, but 'we' insist on making a hero of him. He single-handedly broke the middle class. Joinfortmill Feb 2022 #37
He as much as ANYONE created our toxic culture of NoMoreRepugs Feb 2022 #42
VOODOO Economics was still the template for the failed tax cut stimulus of 2018 SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #43
Giving Jesus Whackos All They Want DanieRains Feb 2022 #44
The myth of the "welfare mother". Ketchup as a vegetable. Bloated defense budget. More: Maine-i-ac Feb 2022 #49
I've always agreed with James Garner on this subject..From his book mountain grammy Feb 2022 #51
Not to mention violating the will of Congress, Federal law, and the will of the people, isn't that Ford_Prefect Feb 2022 #54
He also said that government was the problem, which underlies PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2022 #56
Recession and record deficits, racism. The Three R's czarjak Feb 2022 #58
Rise of religious fundamentalism for sure mvd Feb 2022 #59
The greatest evil was getting people to believe the government was a separate entity from them. Efilroft Sul Feb 2022 #60
Well said! mvd Feb 2022 #61
The Fairness Doctrine was abolished melm00se Feb 2022 #62
Inviting in religious nuts to consolidate power PlanetBev Feb 2022 #63
Oh I think it goes back a lot farther. KentuckyWoman Feb 2022 #64

jimfields33

(15,703 posts)
18. Annoys me to this day that he had a democratic congress for most of his
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:02 PM
Feb 2022

Two terms. We needed today’s house and senate for sure back then.

Response to jimfields33 (Reply #25)

jimmil

(629 posts)
41. "The solid south" as it was termed
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:53 PM
Feb 2022

was hardly even close to Democratic ideals then. Believe it or not the south was mostly democratic because Lincoln was a Republican... seriously!

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
45. Reagan benefitted the wealthy, just about all of congress is very wealthy. Probably heavy into
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:05 PM
Feb 2022

Arms, and Pharma stocks. They know when to buy and sell.

MOMFUDSKI

(5,446 posts)
2. My daughter, to this day,
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:00 PM
Feb 2022

talks about raygun classifying ketchup as a VEGETABLE for school lunches. My best friend from high school was a UNION flight controller earning great money with a promised comfy retirement. They went on strike and raygun blackballed the lot of them. That was the beginning of union busting and look around at all the strong unions we have in this country now. I remember my ex-husband who was a Teamster Union member coming home to tell me they were going out on strike but only certain trucking companies in town. The others would continue to work. I said WHAAA? What the hell kind of a strike is THAT? Well, there you go.

Alpeduez21

(1,750 posts)
27. What's ironic is the glory days
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:17 PM
Feb 2022

repukes keep harkening back to were all made glorious by union wages. Fucking idiots

jaxexpat

(6,804 posts)
33. That's the nail you hit on its head. Reagan brought out the "union in name only" types.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:30 PM
Feb 2022

The entire concept of collective bargaining was "bargained away" in corporate boardrooms and GOP donor meet ups all across the country. People just smiled and blamed Carter. Stupid, the whole decade, stupid.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
53. Worse yet, Lane Kirkland, the head of the AFL-CIO
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:35 PM
Feb 2022
backed Reagan in firing the air traffic controllers. No one can possibly be surprised that unions steadily lost support and membership after that.

leftieNanner

(15,068 posts)
3. Mental Health Systems
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:06 PM
Feb 2022

As Governor of California, he demolished the entire state public health system for mental healthcare. I think you can link a lot of homelessness to that.

OMGWTF

(3,943 posts)
28. St. Ronnie Raygun also did away with free public college in CA.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:17 PM
Feb 2022

My former BFF's husband was in his cabinet for both terms; they're both MAGAts now and we are done being friends. Fuck 'em!

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
4. HRC's declaring of a "vast right-wing conspiracy"
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:08 PM
Feb 2022

seemed to have brought it all back to the surface again. They did not want their ugly agenda dragged into the light of day. From Smedley Butler to the Powell Memo to the latest CRT histrionics --they'd like us all to just not see. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

They thought Trump would be their latest "auto-pen" President, like Reagan and the Bushes. Taxes are for saps! Rules and regulations are for the rubes!

The "drown big government in a bathtub" crowd has been revealed for what they actually are.

fascist Nazis

live love laugh

(13,081 posts)
65. In hindsight our biggest mistake was backing down when they escalated
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 01:51 PM
Feb 2022

with Clinton in the 90’s.

They changed the rules of the game then but kept them to themselves. By the time it was apparent in the early ‘00’s it was too late to rope them back in.

oasis

(49,335 posts)
52. Thank you. Many don't know how Colin Kaepernick adversely affected Hillary's
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:34 PM
Feb 2022

chances in the 2016 election. He suggested Hillary should be jailed for "her e-mails".

Furthermore, CK seemed to take pride in the fact that he doesn't vote. How short sighted and uninformed can a public figure be?

johnp3907

(3,730 posts)
57. As a rich man a lot of things don't affect him personally.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:50 PM
Feb 2022

As a Black man racism does affect him personally, so that’s what he rails against.

turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
11. And Ronny also went after the two year free college in California that Pat Brown had put in place
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:26 PM
Feb 2022

The California Master Plan for Higher Education of 1960......

And he went after the air traffic controllers in the 1980's .....

And he started his presidential campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi just to say more racists memes .....

he really was a asshole.....

KPN

(15,637 posts)
48. That's a big one -- especially in light of tax cuts the Rs
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:08 PM
Feb 2022

have consistently pursued and enacted for the wealthy since Reagan.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
13. I agree. Hard to believe we got a right wing President only a few years after the public disgrace
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:32 PM
Feb 2022

of Nixon's corruption and removal from office.. Reagan was good at reading cue cards and delivering a line. The real dirty work was done behind the scenes by Bush Sr. and his crew of neo-cons.

edhopper

(33,487 posts)
14. Illegal deal with Iran on the hostages
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:39 PM
Feb 2022

helped.

But 2 years after Bush and the GOP almost brought down the global Economy, voters put the Repukes back in charge of Congress.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
16. Bush Sr had been the head of the CIA in 1976-77. The hostage crisis was manipulated by him
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:44 PM
Feb 2022

and his cronies to discredit Carter.

MichMan

(11,869 posts)
17. I wonder how long it will take to undo everything he did?
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:46 PM
Feb 2022

It's now been 33 years since he left office

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
20. First we have to try
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:05 PM
Feb 2022

and I mean REALLY try and not cave at the mention of what the RW thinks of us.

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
19. You are correct.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:04 PM
Feb 2022

ALL of this started with him. Before Reagan people had started to really think about each other, not all of them but many of us were all about raising everyone up instead of keeping most of us down.

I remember watching in horror the things that his administration was pushing through and how quickly so very many people jumped on the greedy, I am better than you, bandwagon.

I really have nothing to add except that we should have been so ashamed of ourselves after that we never let anyone near the office without better qualifications. Now look where we are. We were mostly fairly well educated then, we knew our history and civics and how our government worked. They got rid of that along with everything else and we have gone exactly where they wanted us to go.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
22. The foundations go back farther, but yeah, Reagan is when they launched...
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:09 PM
Feb 2022

...upward from that foundation. A charismatic, amiable salesman who gave cover to a much more radical agenda.

bluboid

(560 posts)
23. I worked for the govt when the 1981 PATCO strike happened...
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:10 PM
Feb 2022

& believe me, Reagan was no longer held in high esteem by govt workers.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
32. He's one of the reasons I left the Air Force after 12 years instead of going for 20 and retirement.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:26 PM
Feb 2022

I was stationed in Germany when he was first elected, and I threw a combat boot across the room at the TV that night when it was called for him.

I could see the writing on the wall in 1984, so finished my 2nd 6-year enlistment and got out in May. There was no way I was going to work for that bastard for another 4 years. Worked out for me, though, as I got a very good position where my Air Force training and experience worked in my favor.

I don't believe that I have ever referred to him as anything but 'that bastard Reagan' or 'that S.O.B. Reagan' since he was first elected.

Skittles

(153,115 posts)
38. I was absolutely disgusted how many voters fell for the Reagan con
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:38 PM
Feb 2022

then he proceeded to make greed and ignorance fashionable, and so many stupid, greedy people ate it up

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
36. I had a reaction to Reagan's voice that's like when dogs howl at certain sounds.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 08:36 PM
Feb 2022

Couldn't stand it, had to leave the area if he came on TV because it made me feel like instinctually howling and barking.

I remember Garrison Keillor talking about how before Reagan if you had more Halloween candy than anyone else you'd share and be a good person, but Reagan said take all the candy for yourself, all of it, only suckers share.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,088 posts)
43. VOODOO Economics was still the template for the failed tax cut stimulus of 2018
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:01 PM
Feb 2022

HR1. Cost Republicans the House in 2018. Even puti-puppy Dana Rohrabacher voted nay.. That and trying to end the ACA.

WHY DOESN'T THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAMMER THEM CONSTANTLY ON TRICKLE DOWN/VOODOO ECONOMICS?

Today I heard another report on how the housing shortage is screwing the working class. People with enough money to buy homes with cash make the market even worse than it's been.

https://www.axios.com/investors-homes-wealth-families-bc792e11-a91e-4da5-97ad-b6e48e5dfd2a.html

Socialism? Not

Maine-i-ac

(1,499 posts)
49. The myth of the "welfare mother". Ketchup as a vegetable. Bloated defense budget. More:
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:17 PM
Feb 2022

Arms for hostages, a la Ollie North.
Central American interventions, Sandinistas, Eugene Hasenfus.
Fire the Air Traffic Controllers. Deregulate everything.
I'll think of more but I'm too stirred up now ...

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
51. I've always agreed with James Garner on this subject..From his book
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:30 PM
Feb 2022

'The Garner Files'

“Too many actors have run for office,” he writes. “There’s one difference between me and them: I know I’m not qualified. In my opinion, Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn’t qualified to be governor of California. Ronald Reagan wasn’t qualified to be governor, let alone president. I was a vice president of the Screen Actors Guild when he was its president. My duties consisted of attending meetings and voting. The only thing I remember is that Ronnie never had an original thought and that we had to tell him what to say. That’s no way to run a union, let along a state or a country.”

Ford_Prefect

(7,873 posts)
54. Not to mention violating the will of Congress, Federal law, and the will of the people, isn't that
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:37 PM
Feb 2022

Last edited Sat Feb 19, 2022, 10:23 PM - Edit history (1)

right Colonel North?

Sir, I cannot recall, Sir.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
56. He also said that government was the problem, which underlies
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:40 PM
Feb 2022

just about all of the right wing bullshit that's out there today.

mvd

(65,162 posts)
59. Rise of religious fundamentalism for sure
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 10:34 PM
Feb 2022

No attempt to stop the spread of AIDS
Arming and funding the Taliban, and also helping in the formation of Al Qaeda
Supported dictators, which extended up to TFG
Much, much corruption
Made it fashionable to blame the poor
Debt increase from regressive economics, not social spending

I can’t believe he is looked back on well by so many. He was one of the worst Presidents ever and started this road to Repuke fascism! Fortunately my Democratic parents were never fooled.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
60. The greatest evil was getting people to believe the government was a separate entity from them.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 10:36 PM
Feb 2022

Two of Ol' Wattleneck's more famous anti-government quotes are "Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem" and "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

Of course, that bastard had a lot more to say against government, going back decades before he was elected to the height of the republic as President. But his constant propaganda served his paymasters well, as it caused millions of Americans to forget that THEY are the government, and that our government was established to be of, by, and especially for the people.

Thanks to Reagan, many Americans came to believe the government was this arrogant cluster of bureaucrats who saw themselves as being better than the average person, or that it was some alien entity that was among us yet not us. It was Reagan who eroded the public trust not only in its institutions, but in itself, and his poisonous legacy lives on to this day with whoever the right wing co-opts. His selling of this bifurcation to Americans has brought the most egregious harm to this nation.

melm00se

(4,986 posts)
62. The Fairness Doctrine was abolished
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 11:09 PM
Feb 2022

in 1987 by a 4-0 vote (which included 1 Democrat) as the media landscape was undergoing a massive shift with the spread of CATV and the available channels.

That increase of available channels/content kicked the legs out from underneath constitutional underpinning of the Red Lion ruling ("spectrum scarcity&quot .

As an aside, the Fairness Doctrine, for the most part, did not do what most people think that it should do. The FD was designed for broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters.

Additionally, the FD would not impact right wing media outlets like Fox News, OAN or Newsmax as these networks are beyond the FCC's scope of enforcement as these networks are all cable/satellite outlets.

Personally, I found that the Fairness Doctrine was a Supreme Court approved discriminatory double standard as it relates to the 1st Amendment.

For example:

Red Lion was a case involving the requirement that broadcasters grant a right of reply to persons attacked during a broadcast of a controversial issue of public importance. Sounds great right? But, in 1974 in Miami Herald Publishing Co. v. Tornillo, a Florida statute mirroring the Fairness Doctrine, required that political candidates the right of reply to personal attacks by newspapers during political campaigns, was struck down as unconstitutional.

So on the one hand, the electronic media must provide the right to respond but if you were a newspaper you got away scot-free for doing the same thing. At a hyperbolic extreme: If a newspaper published a personal attack and that article was read word for word on a TV or radio station, the requirement to provide for a response fell on the TV/radio station, not the print outlet who wrote the original article.

PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
63. Inviting in religious nuts to consolidate power
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 11:13 PM
Feb 2022

That’s why we have the Supreme Court we have now and the impending fall of Roe.

I will hate Reagan forever.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
64. Oh I think it goes back a lot farther.
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 02:09 AM
Feb 2022

Of all the constants in my just over 80 years on earth, and of the lessons learned of the past in school - the basic theme is that those that "have" feel entitled to all of it and will tell any lie and cause any pain to anyone in order to get it all. The push is always for the rich to live off the labors of everyone else.

In the 40's union busting went out of favor for a short time because workers were seen as patriotic necessities. Workers made the most of the moment ...thank goodness. Within 20 years a new generation and the doors opened up again to take from workers.

As I see it, the current stage is make sure workers can afford all the screens. Misinformation, rabble rousing and general divide and conquer are much easier that way. It may take a few generations to get it back to the old "company store" days where kids had to get jobs to help out, but the rich can afford patience.

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