HEADS UP DEMs: Hillary is the wrong messenger, but she's doing what Democrats must do immediately!

[YorkRd]

HEADS UP DEMs: Hillary is the wrong messenger, but she’s doing what Democrats must do immediately!

Many want the old guard to chill. But Hillary is on point here as she hits Republicans from a position of strength and not on the defensive.



[link:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/20/2081374/-HEADS-UP-DEMs-Hillary-is-the-wrong-messenger-but-she-s-doing-what-Democrats-must-do-immediately|

[betsuni]

1. Why is Hillary the wrong messenger?

[DURHAM D]

2. It is kos.

Girl parts are just bad. Explains everything.

[betsuni]

8. They could at least pretend to give a reason, but it's assumed Hillary bad/wrong/do not want.

Just 'cause. They are well trained.

[LizBeth]

20. This. Just this. Exactly this. Sit down women because we hear the men much better.

Easier on our ears. I say in extreme snark.

[smirkymonkey]

64. Ugh. So sick of it.

Misogyny is not solely a weapon of the right.

[LizBeth]

71. +1

[Cha]

60. Not a good idea

to come on DU and Diss Hillary.

Most of us Respect her and get pissed at the Bullshit smeared about her.

[BlueTsunami2018]

4. Probably because she's incredibly polarizing.

Not just with Republicans but within the Democratic Party as well. She was the most qualified person to ever run for President and she still lost to the least qualified person to ever run. People simply don't like her and won't listen to anything she has to say.

Those of us who do like her already know what she's talking about.

I don't know who would be the right messenger would be.

[Walleye]

5. I guess they are talking about a messenger with a penis,would be the right one

[betsuni]

7. Why is she polarizing? Why would she be polarizing to Democrats?

Who doesn't like her? Why do you think Hillary "lost to the least qualified person"?

[LizBeth]

22. Even AOC came on board. Sanders and his dudes never did.

[LizBeth]

25. I am not rehashing, and not just ab0out your one vote, and what? That warrants a

pat on the back from me that you voted Democrat? Really?

[LizBeth]

30. Bully for you, wtf?

[LizBeth]

32. It sounds to me like you are wanting a pat on the back. So cool, you vote Democratic.

Just as I do. On the same page.

[AZProgressive]

33. Sorry for any misunderstandings

I apologize for any misunderstandings because I don’t want one.

[LizBeth]

35. That is cool, but we as Democrats and HRC supporters, looking to put an awesome woman

in the Wh took a HUGE hit. I will not forgive or forget.

[iemanja]

11. Unlike others in the Dem Party?

Like AOC and Sanders?

[Cha]

41. Exactly.

[betsuni]

53. +1

[Budi]

16. Who polarized her?

"We will tell you how to think" ~ joseph goebbels on propaganda & media manipulation

Who made the public believe she was "polarizing"?
Who told people "they simply don't like her
& not to listen to anything she has to say"?

Who burned that misbelief in the public mindset on a 24/7 loop from 2015 thru 2017 & thru this day?

Who?

Not the millions who supported her then & now.
She makes a statement today & the same polarizing words that re-created her public image then, are triggered into a psychotic frenzy throughout the entire MSM & Social Media circuit.

The intentional lie about her, to supress her rise, stops when people stop repeating the lie.

Who all played the game then & still rely on that lie today?

Stop it.

[Cha]

59. Brilliant.. Mahalo, Budi!

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

63. They still can't say what's wrong with Hillary except vague insults and conspiracy theories.

[Gore1FL]

72. At this point it doesn't matter "who" It matters "that."

It doesn't matter if it is fair or not. It doesn't matter if it is sexist or not. HRC has been a target for 30 years. After a while, that takes effect.

She is an accomplished woman. She deserved to be president. She is wise. she is worth listening to. Unfortunately, a large portion of this country hates her and will not listen to her no matter what. Until that is resolved, and I have no notion of how that could be done, it is simply a reality we must accept.

[Budi]

85. I'm not accepting the lies about her. The lies created to remake her image.

[mcar]

19. She is not polarizing

A polarizing person is basically a divisive person who tends to split opinions.

HRC is not divisive. The same language was used to describe Pres. Obama. He, too, was not divisive.

It is, as always, Republicans who are divisive and the media happily blames the person they are attacking. Plus, they hate HRC because she had the nerve to be a strong, intelligent, successful woman.

[dwayneb]

38. Obama and Clinton - very different personalities and approaches

There's a reason why Obama was elected twice and Hillary didn't get elected once. It's not that Hillary is "divisive". It's just that Obama is a more effective populist (remember hope and change?) than Hillary. Whether we like it or not, populists get elected in this country. Reagan, Bill Clinton, Obama and Trump are all examples.

[mcar]

42. Look back at the coverage and R messaging during Obama's 2 germs

They always said he was polarizing and divisive.

[iemanja]

45. It's called misogyny

[smirkymonkey]

66. Exactly.

There is no other reason.

[Gore1FL]

73. Whatever it is called, it took hold with a large % of Americans.

While it is wrong an unfair for Clinton, it is a reality we must accept when messaging.

[iemanja]

74. and which Democrat does the GOP like?

Besides Manchin and Tulsi Gabbart? Do you want them to advance the Dem Party's interests? Or are you talking about turncoat Dems?

The irony of your bearing a screen name of another failed Presidential candidate while insisting that Hillary keep silent is noted.

[Gore1FL]

75. I don't know. I would go with one currently serving to start with.

All I am saying is if I had a great radio and someone wrongly and maliciously broke the antennae, I wouldn't try to still sue the radio out of a sense of fairness.

[iemanja]

76. She is not proclaiming herself as the voice of the party

She is speaking her mind, and she's not going away. Deal with it.

[Gore1FL]

77. That is her right.

I just wish we had more voices and more effective voices saying what she is saying. I am not really sure why you are flipping out.

[iemanja]

78. I don't like the suggestion that

women need to be silenced. That's why I'm "flipping out."

[Gore1FL]

79. Who said that women need to be silenced?

I said that I wish people would join her (like the OP said) because she is, sadly, ineffective due to 30 year of maligning by the right.

Maybe read for understanding and not to simply snipe?

[iemanja]

80. You said "we must accept"

the right wing's smear campaign and choose another messenger.

[Gore1FL]

82. We must accept the reality that it worked on a large percentage of Americans, yes.

Accepting reality is an important part of life. The reality is unfair and undeserved, but it is the reality we are facing.

[iemanja]

83. What then does that mean when it comes to Hillary speaking in public?

[Gore1FL]

90. We must accept that the right wing smear campaign worked well enough.

Otherwise we wouldn't be looking at undoing 4 years of Trump.

We can turn the example radio with the broken antennae I mentioned earlier and turn the volume up to 10. Those listening won't hear the station we want them to.

[betsuni]

88. The author's reason for calling her the wrong messenger isn't because of 30 years of right-wing

smears, in my opinion.

He says many "want the old guard to chill." But ... ." Her message is good "But it must come from a position of strength." A lot of buts. Hard to know exactly what he's trying to say. Following the standard media rule of never saying anything positive about Hillary without a "but" of some kind? The author's the type who uses "establishment" as an insult. What I hear is that he thinks Hillary is old guard Democratic establishment and that's why bad. Doubt he'd say that if President Obama said the same thing in a speech.

[LizBeth]

50. One is a man. One is a woman. We get it.

[dwayneb]

37. You have to look at the facts

Regardless of how you feel about her, or how smart she is, or how many facts she brings to the discussion, the reality is that she lost to Donald Trump.

I can recall waaay back during her campaign she made the "basket of deplorables" statement that got the Trump Cult up in arms. At the time I thought the remark was an exaggeration, but of course since then we learned that she was actually understating the truth. Not only are they deplorable, now we know that they are seditious traitors who are working every day to destroy our democracy.

Who is the right "messenger"? It's obviously not Hillary Clinton, we proved that at the ballot box in 2016. Not sure about who it might be but one thing we know for sure. The Radical Right is winning the propaganda war in this country, and Democrats are clueless about how to defend against it. Remember that old saying about good guys finishing last?

[Cha]

40. I'm on Team Hillary, Who was our DEM

Candidate for President!

Just 'cause Stien & Sarandon and others LIED about Hillary.. Does NOT mean she is the "wrong messenger".

Fuck those who LIED and Gaslighted about Hillary.. that's Why we had fucking trump & Fascism in the door.

[CBHagman]

44. Where I come from "people" are human beings...

...and more human beings voted for Hillary Rodham Clinton than TFG. The electoral college works (or doesn't work) in such as way that 80,000 votes over several key states effectively nullify millions more in the popular vote.

As for the polarizing thingie, that's in part the work of a quarter century, partly things such as Citizens United but also Fox News and a bunch of GOP congressmen with a multiyear Benghazi probe, which they admitted was meant to lower HRC's poll numbers.

I'm not taking the polarizing plate special again, not with the record right before our eyes.

[wnylib]

47. I disagree with the statement that

people don't like her. She won the popular vote by millions. Many people like her.

But, she has been villified so long and so relentlessly with false images of her projected by the far right through false charges that the right sees her as the epitome of evil.

Not all Americans believe that BS. But she will be dismissed by RWers no matter what she says.

It's not that she is the wrong messenger. She has plenty of good, insightful, and powerful things to say. Let us listen to her and echo what she says. Hit the right hard with constant vilifying messages about THEM, which are true in their case, and not manufactured.

She is absolutely on the right track in verbally attacking them where it hurts them and where it counts with American citizens. We need to repeat LO what she is saying.

[wnylib]

48. I disagree with the statement that

people don't like her. She won the popular vote by millions. Many people like her.

But, she has been villified so long and so relentlessly with false images of her projected by the far right through false charges that the right sees her as the epitome of evil.

Not all Americans believe that BS. But she will be dismissed by RWers no matter what she says.

It's not that she is the wrong messenger. She has plenty of good, insightful, and powerful things to say. Let us listen to her and echo what she says. Hit the right hard with constant vilifying messages about THEM, which are true in their case, and not manufactured.

She is absolutely on the right track in verbally attacking them where it hurts them and where it counts with American citizens. We need to repeat LOUDLY and often what she is saying.

[Sogo]

49. Exactly what you say.

Spot on.

[Withywindle]

68. She won the popular vote

If not for the Electoral College rules, she would be President. In a true 1 person = 1 vote system, she won. More actual people voted for her than Trump.

I know the reality is that the Electoral College means that a rural vote is unfairly given more weight than an urban vote, but saying this means she's unpopular just isn't true.

Trump was better at appealing to people who live in areas whose votes carry more weight due to an archaic system. He was still chosen by millions FEWER people.

I'm not saying she ran a perfect campaign, or that she's not divisive, but Trump definitely was able to play into a very nasty fascist movement in rural areas that's been rising fast since the Tea Party thought Shrub wasn't far-right enough, and there's a lot of dark money willing and eager to help him do that.

[pandr32]

27. I was just going to ask the same!

She is still Wonder Woman as far as I'm concerned.

[Cha]

39. Yes why.. that's Offensive.. just

'cause she has haters doesn't mean Millions don't Appreciate her.. and wish her Warnings would have been heeded.

[betsuni]

52. Extremely passive-aggressive. Insult and not give a reason for the insult.

Typical.

[Cha]

54. Just 'cause.. it's been drilled

into their heads. Reasons.

[betsuni]

55. To be brainwashed simply by the repetition of corrupt corrupt corrupt corporate corporate corporate

corrupt corporate Dems corrupt corporate Dems. Embarrassing!

[Cha]

56. When in actuality..

Link to tweet

[Ohio Joe]

3. I think what she is doing is just fine...

And I have no problem with her doing it.

[johnp3907]

6. What are you talking about?

Do I even want to know?

[Me.]

9. Hasn't She Been Tortured Enough

without DEms piling on and insulting her even more? She is popular enough to have won the popular vote for president.

[WHITT]

10. Eh

Hillary is not any kind of "messenger" for the party. She's being attacked, and she's merely responding and defending herself, not to mention doing a fine job.

So what?

[iemanja]

12. This is part of the

Hillary needs to go away ethos. Other failed Dem candidates are revered, but Hillary is to be cast aside. It says more about the Dems making the argument than Hillary.

[uponit7771]

13. People, get the main point that HRC is hitting hard and so should we.

[mountain grammy]

36. Exactly!

[SYFROYH]

14. We've been saying the GOP is not really about fanily values for a while

Its a message will still need to say and say more effectively,

But we mean very different things by fanily values.

[kacekwl]

15. I think she's the perfect messenger. Who

better than the scorn of the right wing for oh so many years. She can point out all the crap they slung at her they were actually doing it x100. Lock him up BAM.

[mcar]

17. Hillary is the wrong messenger?

What does that even mean?

[LizBeth]

18. Quit propagating the HRC BS. She does what she does cause she is awesome smart,

politically aware and intune, and knows wth she is talking about but then you have the sexists and misogynist that lecture us her voice is not the one. I am not buying that bullshit and why would I as a woman. So damn tired of hearing our voice doesn't count, the wrong messenger because of male nastiness.

[Budi]

28. 👍 +a million

💙

[Hassin Bin Sober]

23. We didn't deserve her!

[Voltaire2]

69. Her brilliance shines like a thousand stars.

We are but dim bulbs in Her presence.

[mcar]

81. But is she Gandhi?

Is she Mother Theresa?

[Voltaire2]

89. She is beyond our comprehension.

[Midnight Writer]

29. It is amazing how effective her "brush-back" of FOX was.

I would love to see more legal action against the liars.

It seems it would be simple to prove malice and reckless disregard in FOX News and other RW reporting.

[Dirty Socialist]

34. According to Repubs

EVERY Democrat is polarizing, since the GOP hate machine demonizes everyone to the left of Rush Limbaugh. Pure projection.

[Blecht]

43. Bye, YorkRd

Added to Ignore List

[iemanja]

46. Those insisting Hillary go away

Are the very ones who spread false propaganda about her and in the process helped bring Trump to power. They were wrong then, as they are now.

That’s about the kindest thing I can say about them.

[LizBeth]

51. +1. And I would not be and am not, nearly as kind in my assessment.

[Cha]

57. Welll said.. I've been

saying the same more or less.

[betsuni]

58. They never listen, except to the propaganda about fictional villain Hillary. Wrong then, wrong now.

[ismnotwasm]

70. Truth.

[mvd]

61. Right now she's been at her best

She’s a smart woman and should have been President. She can message fine even if it didn’t come across the best in her campaign for President. I was a Bernie supporter, but knew the problems we’d have if Hillary didn’t take the WH.

[JI7]

62. YOU are the Wrong Messenger

No, the wrong messenger is always those who want to nitpick instead of just support . Always worried about how others will see someone despite her getting MORE votes after all the shit she went through and continues to go through .

[betsuni]

67. It's passive-aggressive nonsense for no reason except trying to be cool and cynical and popular.

[SoonerPride]

84. Misogyny has no place at DU.

But it is here all the time.

[Sunsky]

86. BS.

With such headline, this article doesn't deserve my time.

[MineralMan]

87. Bull! Trump!

Please stop attacking Hillary. If we had all voted for her, Trump would be an asterisk.

[YorkRd]

91. I love Hillary since 92. I am so sorry this post is misconstrued as anti women

I was thinking that this article meant someone younger who was in office or running for office.

[betsuni]

92. LOL