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TERRIFYING......From Dana Nessel, Michigan AG: (Original Post) 634-5789 Feb 2022 OP
Especially since passing legislation is basically performance art for Republicans Walleye Feb 2022 #1
The Federalist Society and ALEC writes their bills, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #2
I don't think they want laws that they can enforce. They just want red meat for their fanatics Walleye Feb 2022 #3
They could just outlaw birth control. Like the old days. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #9
They could just outlaw women or Democrats. They have no respect for laws Walleye Feb 2022 #10
For them the laws are a weapon used to control and punish. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #12
Bullies really enjoy their work Walleye Feb 2022 #13
Oh yes sadism/cruelty is very much a feature of Putin/GOP behavior. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #16
Koch Bros and John Birch Society aka today's Tea Party want American Taliban rule over CousinIT Feb 2022 #31
So true. Truth, justice and the American way defeated. Remember Superman was a reporter Walleye Feb 2022 #33
+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2022 #57
That was the old party Establishment. Today the fringe runs the show. Yoyoyo77 Feb 2022 #74
That list of decisions that "they would never try to overturn" seems to be growing. Terrifying. FM123 Feb 2022 #4
Overturning Griswold has always been the Conservative Grail; getting rid of Roe was a preliminary Tommymac Feb 2022 #19
Someone running for state AG doesn't know Griswold exboyfil Feb 2022 #5
Oh, they know Griswold. They've been groomed to overturn it. JHB Feb 2022 #28
Notice . ..... Lovie777 Feb 2022 #6
It is a white male supremacy plan, yes. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #17
Well it is what Jesus would want. No contraception means more people to put money in 3Hotdogs Feb 2022 #7
Don't blame that one on Jesus -- Some claiming to follow whathehell Feb 2022 #40
Christianity as a religion was built by political leaders NullTuples Feb 2022 #56
Lol. no. Your antipathy is obvious, but the spread of Christianity whathehell Feb 2022 #68
True, it also involved assimilating other cultures backed by the force of the Holy Roman Empire NullTuples Feb 2022 #70
Any religion allowed to spread and flourish whathehell Feb 2022 #71
It is fascinating, that relationship between the Church and a country's rulers. NullTuples Feb 2022 #72
Only after the emperor decided to make christianity the state religion. Yoyoyo77 Feb 2022 #75
Indeed. calimary Feb 2022 #69
So the plan is no birth control, no abortion. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #8
1970s Romania Wednesdays Feb 2022 #18
Romania was exactly what popped into my head. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #21
I had to look it up Farmer-Rick Feb 2022 #39
I know someone who adopted 4 of those kids from Romania, and they have all suffered trauma from OnDoutside Feb 2022 #49
OMG, just reading about it was horrifying Farmer-Rick Feb 2022 #62
Yes it was horrible beyond belief. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #59
Keep all women barefoot & pregnant and in the control of men. Movement Conservatism's Holy Grail Tommymac Feb 2022 #20
W/o birth control, women were pregnant for much of their fertile years. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #22
This is why Conservatives have been gunning to repeal Griswold for decades. Tommymac Feb 2022 #25
Complete control over every aspect of life. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #27
Or women will just stop having sex with men. smirkymonkey Feb 2022 #58
I'm now going to retrieve my jaw from the floor. Vinca Feb 2022 #11
Just when we think we can no longer be shocked by them, they prove us wrong. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #23
This is about subjugating and controlling women. Native Feb 2022 #14
Yes it is a white male supremacy plan. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #24
Machismo. For too many of them, kids and guns are the sole confirmation of allegorical oracle Feb 2022 #44
Toxic masculinity sop Feb 2022 #63
Along the same musclecar6 Feb 2022 #15
Of course. The real goal of these pompous, white, males is to sinkingfeeling Feb 2022 #26
Soooooooo, I assume their next bright idea will be sleeping under couples' beds? Frustratedlady Feb 2022 #29
Loving has been a target all along JT45242 Feb 2022 #30
Christian Taliban orangecrush Feb 2022 #32
The Islamic world has Sharia law, Christendom has Maria law. LastDemocratInSC Feb 2022 #46
.... orangecrush Feb 2022 #48
I have been telling people and telling people. shrike3 Feb 2022 #34
Mr. Attorney General Candidate, can you please tell citizens how you plan to deploy the Sex Police? bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #35
Birth control pills are a controlled substance. intheflow Feb 2022 #41
Birth control medications have many uses. LastDemocratInSC Feb 2022 #47
Expect an increased homegirl Feb 2022 #64
This will be challenged and the state will spend money better spent education, etc.... AngryOldDem Feb 2022 #36
I wish I could say I'm surprised. FoxNewsSucks Feb 2022 #37
I've been saying this for decades mercuryblues Feb 2022 #38
19 kids and counting. God's army. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2022 #42
Will DownriverDem Feb 2022 #43
Who does that appeal to? TheFarseer Feb 2022 #45
Can the 19th be far behind? CrispyQ Feb 2022 #50
These people are bat-shit crazy. And equally dangerous. Martin68 Feb 2022 #51
More subjects--more power--more money. moondust Feb 2022 #52
I saw it coming years ago, & it's still a punch in the gut. All women's gains in the past century... Hekate Feb 2022 #53
And if you're raped and impregnated, well, to them it's just Gawd's Will so suck it up whore! OMGWTF Feb 2022 #55
Funny how that works Hekate Feb 2022 #61
Why do the Rs hate women so much? Are they afraid of our power? OMGWTF Feb 2022 #54
It got really homegirl Feb 2022 #65
dangerous, dangerous llashram Feb 2022 #60
This was obvious years ago. Texaswitchy Feb 2022 #66
Bostock v. Clayton County may be a target too but don't see how they can StClone Feb 2022 #67
repukes despise the gains women have made Skittles Feb 2022 #73
Of course. Exactly what I've always predicted. Kablooie Feb 2022 #76
Fuck You Republican scum!!! YoshidaYui Feb 2022 #77
They want WHITE BABIES. That's what it is all about. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2022 #78

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
12. For them the laws are a weapon used to control and punish.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:05 AM
Feb 2022

But of course they make sure they themselves are exempt from all laws and rules.

They really do not have respect for anyone or anything but themselves.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
16. Oh yes sadism/cruelty is very much a feature of Putin/GOP behavior.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:15 AM
Feb 2022

They enjoy watching others suffer, die.

CousinIT

(9,241 posts)
31. Koch Bros and John Birch Society aka today's Tea Party want American Taliban rule over
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:11 AM
Feb 2022

sex, pregnancy, procreation, education (they want Dept of Ed abolished) and what is going on with abortion/contraception and what is going on in the schools are the result of decades of them planning and pushing to get the US Constitution tossed out and replaced with THEIR VERSION of the Bible. They want America ruled under a very Sharia-like version of the bible, they want kids indoctrinated, NOT educated -- and women and girls turned into sexual and reproductive slaves.

This has been simmering for a LONG time. NOW it's coming to fruition.

TRUMP amassed behind him these dangerous religious extremists, KKK, MRAs/Incels, Fed society, ALEC et al - funded by billionaires who buy our gov't and want to continue to do so, and want to shut down public schools in favor of private religious ones, abolish IRS, EPA, USPS, Dept of Ed and most of US gov't.

The weight of all those combined forces against Democracy has put massive cracks in its structure, crumbled many parts of it, and we're not long away from it being a pile of rubble for Peter Theil to fly his private plane over. I'm sure some will try to continue calling the US a Democracy. But it won't be in any way, shape, form or fashion.

The fight against this has ranged from utterly absent and oblivious for many decades at worst (because nobody was paying attention and it all operated under the radar until recent decades), to pablum, milquetoast, pantywaist business-as-usual at best today.

It's not enough. It's too little. It's too late.

The media is asleep at the wheel and only seeks (because billionaires own it all) to profit from the entire scene rather than actually reporting on it as a vital service to Democracy. LONG gone are the days when media did investigative journalism, held truth to power, and informed the public. Now we get infotainment, half the story if any truthful part of the story at all, and important context completely excluded. And people vote based on that shit.



Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
19. Overturning Griswold has always been the Conservative Grail; getting rid of Roe was a preliminary
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:28 AM
Feb 2022

This is what the Movement Conservatives have been working towards all these decades.

Keep women pregnant and in the kitchen. Handmaids all.



exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
5. Someone running for state AG doesn't know Griswold
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 08:43 AM
Feb 2022

Kind of like Rick Perry not knowing that the nuclear stockpile was under the Department of Energy.

And then becoming Secretary.

Why any woman would want to live in a GOP controlled state is beyond me because they take the brunt of these maniacs.


I am a man with two grown daughters, and I can't believe the future they have in this country.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
28. Oh, they know Griswold. They've been groomed to overturn it.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:48 AM
Feb 2022

This is their moon shot, and they all want to be its Niel Armstrong -- they guy whose name will go down in history for accomplishing the impossible.

It doesn't stop at overturning the right to privacy. They're after environmental laws, labor laws, the rulings that decided that Social Security and Medicare were constitutional, they want to overturn all of those.

And the "reasonable" conservatives will support all of that. Individuals might not be fully on board, but those people will knuckle under and go along with the ideological zealots.

3Hotdogs

(12,374 posts)
7. Well it is what Jesus would want. No contraception means more people to put money in
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 08:52 AM
Feb 2022

the collection baskets..... and Jesus is always broke. Jesus could certainly use help from Dave Ramsey on how to manage money.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
56. Christianity as a religion was built by political leaders
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 04:17 PM
Feb 2022

The switch to patriarchal monotheism with themselves set as a hierarchy of go-betweens for the masses to be able to properly and correctly access the deity was *brilliant*.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
68. Lol. no. Your antipathy is obvious, but the spread of Christianity
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 06:33 PM
Feb 2022

was far more complex than that. It's first adherents in Rome were women and slaves, not a political "elite".






whathehell

(29,067 posts)
71. Any religion allowed to spread and flourish
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 07:21 PM
Feb 2022

needed the approval of a given country's ruling power.
That, however, doesn't mean the religion was "forced" onto a country.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
72. It is fascinating, that relationship between the Church and a country's rulers.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 07:41 PM
Feb 2022

Sometimes while studying the history I began to wonder if some of the kings thought they'd be able to use the Church as a tool and ended up instead finding it was the other way around.

Yoyoyo77

(267 posts)
75. Only after the emperor decided to make christianity the state religion.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:01 PM
Feb 2022

After that it was God, emperor rule for the roman empire.

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
39. I had to look it up
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:55 AM
Feb 2022

They outlawed all abortions and birth control. But parents couldn't afford to feed the excess children and they were put in orphanages by the thousands.

The orphanages were houses of horror. Caregivers were encouraged to beat and torture the children. The country was poor and so electricity, heat and even clothes were frequently denied. Pedophilia ran wild and no child was sparred abuse.

"Under Nicolae Ceaușescu, both abortion and contraception were forbidden. Ceaușescu believed that population growth would lead to economic growth. In October 1966, Decree 770 was enacted, which banned abortion except in cases in which the mother was over forty years of age or already had four children in care. Birth rates especially rose during the years of 1967, 1968 and 1969. By 1977, people were taxed for being childless. Children born in these years are popularly known as decreței (from the diminutive of the Romanian language word "decret", meaning "decree" ) . This increase in the number of births resulted in many children being abandoned in orphanages, which were also occupied by people with disabilities and mental illnesses. Together, these vulnerable groups were subjected to institutionalized neglect, physical and sexual abuse, and drug use to control behaviour."

"Though conditions in orphanages were not uniform, the worst conditions were mostly found in institutions for disabled children. One such example, the Siret children's psychiatric hospital, lacked both medicines and washing facilities, and physical and sexual abuse of children was reported to be common. In another case, the Sighetu Marmației institution for disabled children, the children were often tied to their own beds or dangerously restrained in their own clothing. Because the staff had failed to put clothes on them, the children would spend their day naked and be left sitting in their own feces and urine. Nurses who worked at the institutions were not properly trained, and often abused the children. Dirty water was used for baths, and the children were thrown in three at a time by the staff. Due to the abuse children received from staff, older children learned to beat the younger ones. All children, including girls, had their heads shaved, which made it difficult to differentiate one another. Many had delayed cognitive development, and many did not know how to feed themselves. Physical needs were not met, as many children died of minor illness or injuries such as cataracts or anemia. Many would also starve to death. Physical injuries that had to do with development included fractures that had not healed right, resulting in deformed limbs."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_orphans

This is what the American oligarchy has envisioned for workers and average citizens.

You know because the invisible sky daddy wants all that abuse so those damn people know their place at the bottom of the pile.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
49. I know someone who adopted 4 of those kids from Romania, and they have all suffered trauma from
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 12:27 PM
Feb 2022

the memories of those orphanages.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
20. Keep all women barefoot & pregnant and in the control of men. Movement Conservatism's Holy Grail
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:30 AM
Feb 2022

That is what they have been working for since the 1960's.

Could not do it until Roe was overturned.

The dominoes are falling.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
22. W/o birth control, women were pregnant for much of their fertile years.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:33 AM
Feb 2022

Tied down with pregnancies and children, they had no control or power over their lives.

That is why widespread and available BC changed the lives of women.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
25. This is why Conservatives have been gunning to repeal Griswold for decades.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:43 AM
Feb 2022

But they had to get Roe repealed first.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
27. Complete control over every aspect of life.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:45 AM
Feb 2022

Healthcare, education, voting, etc.

We will be like China and Russia.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
58. Or women will just stop having sex with men.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 04:23 PM
Feb 2022

I have already been reading about women dropping out of the dating/sex scene because they are so tired of the bullshit. It could end up kind of like a modern day Lysistrata type of scenario.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
23. Just when we think we can no longer be shocked by them, they prove us wrong.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:39 AM
Feb 2022

There is always more jaw dropping stuff coming down the pike.

musclecar6

(1,686 posts)
15. Along the same
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:12 AM
Feb 2022


Lines, I always enjoy the concept of putting people on the Supreme Court or other lifetime federal courts, as if these "noted legal scholars" will make balanced fair decisions. Yes some do, but just look at some of these clowns that go roaring off advancing their biased convoluted logic mantra's. When that happens, all one can do is shake your head and say to yourself, there goes some more assholes and jefkoffs.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
29. Soooooooo, I assume their next bright idea will be sleeping under couples' beds?
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 09:55 AM
Feb 2022

Limiting families to 1 or 2 children?

These projections only make them look like fools. Passing those types of bills proves it.

JT45242

(2,266 posts)
30. Loving has been a target all along
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:05 AM
Feb 2022

If you go back to Give. pence and Indiana law , it was very clear that mixed race marriage was equally the target as gay marriage.

These racist fascists have been clear that the goal of the federalist society is an American Taliban state

They also think a month be towards south Africa's apartheid structure would be perfect.

These tweets on are on the money.

shrike3

(3,583 posts)
34. I have been telling people and telling people.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:19 AM
Feb 2022


Nobody listens. I don't even have a dog in this hunt, being beyond child bearing years.

intheflow

(28,463 posts)
41. Birth control pills are a controlled substance.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:59 AM
Feb 2022

Only available through a pharmacy. There’s a record of who is using it. Would they be able to get that info? Not as it now stands, but the protections in place now could certainly be overturned by the same “leadership” that wants to overturn Griswold.

LastDemocratInSC

(3,647 posts)
47. Birth control medications have many uses.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 11:32 AM
Feb 2022

It's effective for treating endometriosis, for example.

What a mess.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
36. This will be challenged and the state will spend money better spent education, etc....
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:34 AM
Feb 2022

…litigating this shit that’s doomed to fail.

Just fuck these assholes.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
37. I wish I could say I'm surprised.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:35 AM
Feb 2022

But I'm not, anymore.

Handmaid's Tale is literally a warning of what they are working toward and almost have.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
38. I've been saying this for decades
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:50 AM
Feb 2022

Once you take away a woman’s right over her own body the rest of her rights aren’t far behind.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
43. Will
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 11:11 AM
Feb 2022

voters wake up? This isn't part of their racist goals. This is about rulings that will hurt us all.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
45. Who does that appeal to?
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 11:28 AM
Feb 2022

That’s WAY out of the mainstream. Who hears that and says, “Case closed, that’s who I’m voting for.” That’s something that I would guess less than 5% of people would agree with and 80% are horrified. Unless someone is really stretching the definition of contraception.

moondust

(19,977 posts)
52. More subjects--more power--more money.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:24 PM
Feb 2022

Old Cynic has long suspected (without proof) that this has always been the working premise of the Vatican and eventually Republicans when it comes to birth control and abortion. It probably stands to reason that some percentage of those forced births will eventually buy into the "holiness" of it all and wind up supporting the "enforcers" with money and votes.

Hekate

(90,667 posts)
53. I saw it coming years ago, & it's still a punch in the gut. All women's gains in the past century...
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:31 PM
Feb 2022

… will be trashed if this continues. Unless a girl swears celibacy and actually keeps it , forget college, forget a career. Hell, forget finishing high school. Young men not ready for family responsibilities will reinvent that fine old phrase, “She tricked me!”

Bitter? You betcha.



OMGWTF

(3,955 posts)
54. Why do the Rs hate women so much? Are they afraid of our power?
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:49 PM
Feb 2022

They are constantly looking for ways to undermine women. Why? Did they all have horrible mothers?

homegirl

(1,428 posts)
65. It got really
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 05:42 PM
Feb 2022

adversarial with the introduction of the Birth Control pill in the early 1960's. Women could break loose, be sexual and not pay the price. Then they began to compete for college and university placement, and worst of all for better, higher paying power position in business and politics.

Now, in addition to competing with men of color, poor, spoiled, entitled white guys have to compete with women!


Kablooie

(18,631 posts)
76. Of course. Exactly what I've always predicted.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:18 PM
Feb 2022

Making contraception illegal and eliminating the right to privacy.

I haven't thought about the Loving decision but that could go too, making it illegal for people of different races to get married.
It would follow that homosexuality and anything other than the missionary position for married couples will be criminalized once again.

The conservative's middle name is dystopia.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
78. They want WHITE BABIES. That's what it is all about.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:44 AM
Feb 2022

The leaders of conservative political ideology today (or what passes for it, anyway) KNOW they are on the losing side demographically and it scares the shit out of them.

They insist this has to be a majority white, Christian nation, and in order to maintain that, they have to make sure as many white babies are born as possible.

Just watch. It won’t be long until they start to introduce bills that somehow mandate church attendance or insist on Christian instruction in school. That’s really easy if there are no public schools, which is currently being pushed.

The right wing in this country wants, as Frank Zappa nailed it almost 40 years ago, a fascist theocracy, with Fundamentalist, Protestant Christianity as the leading religion.

And lots and lots of white babies.

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