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Schmidt on Ukraine and this moment (Original Post) cilla4progress Feb 2022 OP
That's why I'm so glad we have a Joe. He is very good at ignoring the clamoring Walleye Feb 2022 #1
It's nice to finally have a REAL Commander in Chief back in the White House LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #2
Thank god for our President! PortTack Feb 2022 #3
But wasn't that also the case pre-WWII? Buckeyeblue Feb 2022 #4
I think there's a difference between isolationism, rampant in the '30s... AngryOldDem Feb 2022 #17
Hmmm... maybe trying to foist Sarah Palin as a legitimate candidate was, like... Effete Snob Feb 2022 #5
Totally agree cilla4progress Feb 2022 #6
I think Reagan deRien Feb 2022 #13
Yep. Reagan was the beginning of the end. calimary Feb 2022 #19
👍 Joinfortmill Feb 2022 #7
What does he think we should be doing? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #8
Here you go! cilla4progress Feb 2022 #9
No, I meant those of us living our American life. Does he think we should feel ripples? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #10
I fell like he thinks we should be uniformly energized KPN Feb 2022 #22
I agree. It's as if we're back in 1949 with the Iron Curtain ushering in the Cold War bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #11
There is a lack of understanding in America Baked Potato Feb 2022 #12
"Now watch this cable news appearance!" Sympthsical Feb 2022 #14
Agree. People in the U.S. are just yawning about this. kairos12 Feb 2022 #15
Or cheering on our enemies. L. Coyote Feb 2022 #16
Yep. Sad to say. calimary Feb 2022 #20
Twisted f*cks AmBlue Feb 2022 #24
We are insular. It comes with our Privilege. maxsolomon Feb 2022 #18
Yep. Sad to say on this, too. calimary Feb 2022 #21
From a Facebook post, unverified data: L. Coyote Feb 2022 #23

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
4. But wasn't that also the case pre-WWII?
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:31 PM
Feb 2022

We let our greatest ally, Great Britain, get bombed night after night without taking action. It wasn't until Japen bombed a a distant Naval Base that sentiment changed.

Americans don't understand the rest of the world.

And yet I find myself being uncharacteristically hawkish about this stand off.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
17. I think there's a difference between isolationism, rampant in the '30s...
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 03:24 PM
Feb 2022

…and what we’re seeing now. FDR’s Lend-Lease program was a way to counter the resistance to getting involved until Pearl Harbor forced us to enter the Pacific Theater.

Now, people don’t care because history is not taught, much less valued.

Ukraine, I cautiously think, is a justified conflict. Russia cannot be allowed to be at Western Europe’s doorstep. We don’t know the extent of Putin’s adventurism yet, and although Biden has said no troops will be sent in, I’m afraid we must be open to that. And I don’t say that lightly, either.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
5. Hmmm... maybe trying to foist Sarah Palin as a legitimate candidate was, like...
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:40 PM
Feb 2022

...one step on a road to where we are.

cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
6. Totally agree
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:42 PM
Feb 2022

He's not quite as smart as he thinks he is


He is a powerful voice on our side of the autocracy/democracy divide who many respect and listen to.

deRien

(165 posts)
13. I think Reagan
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:33 PM
Feb 2022

was one of the first steps on this road... a B actor becoming president... with onset Alzheimer's... it's been a rocky road to this day in time...

calimary

(81,238 posts)
19. Yep. Reagan was the beginning of the end.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 03:35 PM
Feb 2022

Packaging perfection. Harmless, adorable lovable old “Uncle Ronnie”! And he sold America straight down the river, while reading a teleprompter like a star.

KPN

(15,643 posts)
22. I fell like he thinks we should be uniformly energized
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 03:42 PM
Feb 2022

and united against Putin’s threat to the western world. Which we are not, for at least two reasons: 1) some on the right actually support Putin for a variety of reasons but primarily because they are uninformed or support authoritarianism or white supremacy; and/or 2) they don’t see how Putin’s venture directly affects them personally and are therefore apathetic. There is also that share of the public that pays no attention to news and are consequently beyond apathetic, that is, ignorant.

I tend to agree with Schmidt’s expression. He’s talking about America and Americans generally — not Biden or any particular members of Congress.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
12. There is a lack of understanding in America
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:30 PM
Feb 2022

how incredibly dangerous the real world is and how difficult it is to motivate it’s people to lay one’s life on the line to protect Democracy.

To many, it’s easier to believe there is an invisible god-shield protecting us all and if arms must be taken up, well that’s just something someone else can do if they want.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
14. "Now watch this cable news appearance!"
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 02:33 PM
Feb 2022

Yeah, I can't imagine why on earth Americans aren't as informed and given context in the way they probably should be.

People who live entirely with the sphere of MSM lecturing others on why Americans don't know as much as they should.

I dunno, Steve. Total mystery! Thanks for the Tweet. Please like and subscribe.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
18. We are insular. It comes with our Privilege.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 03:31 PM
Feb 2022

The vast majority of Americans will be more concerned with the impact on the price of gas.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
23. From a Facebook post, unverified data:
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 03:50 PM
Feb 2022

For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population
of over 40 million - more than Poland.
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialised country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Ukraine matters. That is why its independence is important to the rest of the world.

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