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Mon Feb 21, 2022, 12:54 PM Feb 2022

A scam using Zelle digital payments. A woman lost $2,000

Margie Morgan was recently scammed out of $2,000 in a scheme involving Zelle digital payments and a woman who posed as a representative of Wells Fargo. Morgan, a food entrepreneur in Edina, fell victim to the scam because it was a new form of phishing, the practice of sending fraudulent communications that look real. It began as a text message to Morgan's phone that appeared to be from Wells Fargo, but ultimately wasn't.

The texts asked Morgan if she had authorized money transfers from her account. Morgan hit "no" and immediately received a call from a woman who portrayed herself as a Wells Fargo representative. Morgan said she didn't think much about it because she received legitimate phone calls from the bank and American Express in the past asking about fraudulent activity. The woman told Morgan that to recover the unauthorized transactions, Morgan would need to make reverse transfers to herself via Zelle. She followed the woman's directions, which involved using a PIN the scammer gave her. But the money flowed out of her account, not into it.

Morgan, 57, learned later from an actual Wells Fargo representative that she'd been duped out of $3,000. Wells Fargo was able to recover one $1,000 transfer but not a second transfer for $2,000, which had been processed, Morgan said. "I've been beside myself because I started a small business last year and $2,000 cleaned me out," she said.

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Zelle is an immediate form of payment and scammers who receive payments from victims typically withdraw the funds from the receiving financial institution immediately, making recovery difficult, Friedlander said. On its website, Zelle draws a distinction between fraud and scams, saying a scam happens when a customer is "knowingly involved." "Even if you were tricked or persuaded into authorizing a payment for a good or service someone said they were going to provide, but they didn't fulfill it, this would be considered a scam," Zelle warns. As a result, it tells customers they may not be able to get their money back.

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https://www.startribune.com/edina-businesswoman-describes-digital-payments-scam-that-cost-her-2000/600148898/ (may be behind a firewall)

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A scam using Zelle digital payments. A woman lost $2,000 (Original Post) question everything Feb 2022 OP
Zelle is extremely prevalent stopdiggin Feb 2022 #1
Another red flag to watch out for. I think my bank uses Zelle as an option. bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #2
Wells Fargo keeps trying to get me to use Zelle. I keep klicking NO when their popup is seen. mitch96 Feb 2022 #5
That sucks! Blue Owl Feb 2022 #3
The app should have confirmed on her phone that she wanted to make this transaction. Beakybird Feb 2022 #4

stopdiggin

(11,301 posts)
1. Zelle is extremely prevalent
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:07 PM
Feb 2022

fairly well established (and more or less endorsed by the banking community, if my own institution is any measure)


bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
2. Another red flag to watch out for. I think my bank uses Zelle as an option.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 01:07 PM
Feb 2022

And I get bogus phishing texts every week now, but not associated with my bank.

Considering placing everything where I can see it everyday.

I knew this would become a problem in 1999. "Use a secure password, don't let your ID get stolen!!"

Bogus signup info delayed that problem for decades. But now everything is linked together.

The rubber meets the road when the shit hits the fan. And every other metaphor you can link together.

mitch96

(13,895 posts)
5. Wells Fargo keeps trying to get me to use Zelle. I keep klicking NO when their popup is seen.
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 03:17 PM
Feb 2022

One time after I clicked "NO", I got this "confirmation" email for my acceptance of a Zelle account. I called my local WF branch and they told me "I had clicked yes".. Ahh bullshit.
I made a stink and only got rid of zelle when I threatened to pull out of Wells Fargo... The "join zelle" popups started about a year later....again....
They truly suck
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