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Ukraine should have kept their nuclear weapons. (Original Post) roamer65 Feb 2022 OP
Yes they should have. Dawson Leery Feb 2022 #1
Maybe, but that situation could be even scarier. nt Gore1FL Feb 2022 #2
No, Ukraine Should Not Have Kept Nuclear Weapons Celerity Feb 2022 #3
Right! n/m El Supremo Feb 2022 #4
Excellent piece. nt crickets Feb 2022 #10
Should have traded the nukes for NATO membership. NCjack Feb 2022 #5
+10000 roamer65 Feb 2022 #9
Putin would know Ukraine would never use them. Doodley Feb 2022 #6
We messed up in 2014 RobertMcNamara Feb 2022 #7
No nukes! Bayard Feb 2022 #8
Ukraine didn't have controls. Kremlin did. Nuke u can't use is no bueno. nt okaawhatever Feb 2022 #11

Celerity

(43,582 posts)
3. No, Ukraine Should Not Have Kept Nuclear Weapons
Mon Feb 21, 2022, 10:34 PM
Feb 2022
A bad idea comes around again.

https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/61f9e4619d9e380022bdd931/no-ukraine-should-not-have-kept-nuclear-weapons/



The Russians are on the verge of dramatically expanding their previous invasion of Ukraine, this time with enough forces that they could roll through the streets of Kyiv. I will admit that when the Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago, I did not expect that the new Russian Federation—poor, militarily weak, but finally free—could be, or would want to be, a threat to its neighbors. This was a failure of imagination on my part. But about one thing I was certain, and remain so: It’s a good thing that Ukraine never became a nuclear-weapons state. Now that the Russians are poised to invade, this bad idea is coming around again.

There are sensible people I respect who disagree about this, and so I think it’s worth a little time to consider that no matter how bad things might get, they would only be worse if Ukrainian nuclear weapons were involved. A series of historical and political circumstances have brought us to this point, going all the way back to how the USSR was created in the first place. (There are reasons, for example, that the Ukrainian state exists in its current borders and for why Crimea ended up a bone of contention, but that’s a subject I’ll explain in an additional newsletter later this week.) Today, let’s just ask a basic question: Would nuclear weapons have protected Ukraine now?

American “realists” like Professor John Mearsheimer, among others, think so. This is a simplistic answer, as realist answers so often are. It is a view of the world as something like a big game of Risk, in which all the countries are basically alike except for how many pretty colored chips they control. This approach leads foreign-policy analysts to say things that sound deep and logical, but make no sense when real countries, with real histories, governed by real people, get involved.

It also assumes that nuclear weapons are magical talismans that protect anyone who holds them. They’re talismans, alright. Like a Monkey’s Paw. Mearsheimer, for those unfamiliar with him, is the University of Chicago scholar who said back in 1990 that European stability might improve if Germany became an independent nuclear power. This is no slam on the Germans, but nobody—including the Germans—wanted that. He then said it about Ukraine in 1993 and 2014.

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RobertMcNamara

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7. We messed up in 2014
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 12:10 AM
Feb 2022

Plain and simple.


We made a deal in 1994, and not the exact wording, but the nature of it wasn’t withheld.

We didn’t fulfill our promise in my opinion.

We are paying for it now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

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