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gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:25 AM Feb 2022

Ukraine wants to be democratic

Be careful of the narrative floating around that the people of Ukraine wouldn't mind going back to Russia. When the Soviet Union crumbled, Ukraine voted over 90% to become an independent democratic country. The people held parties in the streets to celebrate.

It did take Ukraine a while to rid itself of pro-Russian leaders and I guess that was the straw that broke Putin's back.

Trump sure tried hard to keep Putin's pals in power in Ukraine.

Hoping Germany standing up and canceling Nordstream 2 will prevent an all out invasion.

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Lovie777

(12,326 posts)
1. RWers all around the world are against Ukraine . . .
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:27 AM
Feb 2022

especially in the USA. A bunch of GQP politicians are pro-Russia.

doc03

(35,364 posts)
3. Is saving democracy in Ukraine worth losing it
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:34 AM
Feb 2022

in the US? We are being warned of higher gas prices and more inflation. It will be like 1980 all over again when we got Reagan. Could we be doing exactly what Putin wants? What if he gets Trump or another Russian agent back in office?

doc03

(35,364 posts)
5. I think Putin has us right where he wants between a
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:54 AM
Feb 2022

rock and a hard place. We are damned if we do damned if we don't. He cuts the gas supply off to Germany how long will it take him to stir up civil unrest there? What about in the US?

gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
8. Honestly I agree that Putin wants this war to harm president Biden
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:03 AM
Feb 2022

and Democrats. I say the antidote is for Trump and his coup plotters to be held accountable, and soon. Trump and the GQP need to be made toxic to the American people, toxic to preserving our democracy.

doc03

(35,364 posts)
10. I think holding Trump responsible is far too late. The Republicans have
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 12:54 PM
Feb 2022

had over a year to spread their propaganda. More Republicans today think Biden stole the election than did a year ago.

SallyHemmings

(1,822 posts)
6. How many Americans threw a fit about wearing masks?
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:55 AM
Feb 2022

Paying more at the pump is a problem. We have learned the selfishness of American's inconvenience turned into a major problem.

I'm not optimistic that Americans will rally around a country they can't find on a map.

doc03

(35,364 posts)
7. Like one of the people on TV said last night
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:01 AM
Feb 2022

some of us couldn't point out Canada on a map let alone Ukraine. The Republicans are going to stir up unrest here and elsewhere lke they did in Canada for practice.

gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
9. Putin isn't planning on stopping with Ukraine,
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:05 AM
Feb 2022

what he does in Ukraine will affect the United States. We can fight him or appease him.

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