What are some best possible outcomes from the sh*t sandwich in Ukraine?

[mahina]

Best possible, best likely?

There are some good things here that could happen. All assuming Putin loses of course

Europe takes the opportunity to make a massive conversion to sustainable energy

Which shrinks pooties market significantly and helps the planet’s chances to avoid climate catastrophe.

Others?

[msongs]

1. putin is overthrown and someone with sense takes over nt

[mahina]

3. I like that one

He has not been looking very well lately

[DemocraticPatriot]

28. Unfortunately, not before much blood is shed,

methinks.

But perhaps Putin's blood will be towards the end...


He doesn't even really have the military "with him" in this boondoggle, it appears. So far they are "taking orders", but when they take big casualties, that equation is likely to change.

[Atticus]

2. I wish I had an answer to that, but I think we are going to be forced to try to work for the

"least terrible" outcome.

[mahina]

4. I know.

My brain needs something positive. I might be looking in the wrong place. I just keep scrolling for updates from Ukraine. I had an ancestor who left that area before WWII. I keep thinking of those folks

It’s so freaking revolting that the right wing is supporting Putin I can’t even believe it

[madinmaryland]

16. Why the fuck would anyone in America support a KGB agent is beyond me.

A KGB agent who wants to destroy America.

[Justice matters.]

33. There's a traitor in Merd-a-Largo who wants to rule like his idol

There's "Copious evidence of possible FRAUD" by him and his family of grifters in NY though.

[DemocraticPatriot]

29. The right-wing doesn't love America.

They only love their distorted aspirations for America, which is fascism, with them in charge.


But only the most insane part of the right-wing is supporting Putin, remember that... but that wing is much larger than it should be.


Democrat "commies" ?!

[ForgedCrank]

5. There isn't one,

and this is going to hit us all pretty hard economically on top of it all.

[mahina]

8. I was surprised to see that Russia supplied lots

Of the oil used to power Hawaii in 2021. I think they are our number three international trade partner. It used to be we got our oil from Indonesia and Canada.

How do you think this will hurt the US economically?

[PortTack]

10. This was posted earlier....

THE FED

While uncertainty is the watchword of the day, economists believe that a war between Russia and Ukraine will not be a major risk to the U.S. economy.


More at the link
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216382740

[mahina]

6. The wingers here are finally and permanently exposed

Pantsed publicly and forever

I wonder what Navalny is thinking. And how he is doing.

[Turbineguy]

7. That enough American voters realize

that the republican party is the party of treason and stop re-electing them.

[BlueIdaho]

9. And it ends TFGs political career. nt.

[uponit7771]

44. +1

[FrankChurchDem]

11. Military brass stages a coup, arrest Putin

Extremely unlikely but it would be the best scenario under the circumstances. From there, it's all bad.

[roamer65]

31. +10000

[mahina]

13. I see. Welcome to DU.

Enjoy your stay.

Do you think we should not have moved troops into defensive positions in NATO countries? Should we not be supporting Ukraine?

[TomSlick]

18. Does it give you any pause that you agree with Tucker Carlson?

Have you heard of the Sudetenland?

[JohnSJ]

20. The lessons from history are conveniently brushed aside

[TomSlick]

23. Apparently, not by all.

I note our Tucker Carlson acolyte's message has been removed.

[mahina]

25. Maybe he or she learned something.

I’ve learned to trust the process around here !

[TomSlick]

26. I am a firm believer in the DU process.

After a couple terms on MIRT, I learned that there are DUers spending a lot of their own time watching from the walls. The jury system is vital to the community. Together, they make DU work.

[mahina]

40. I felt a little badly telling him to enjoy his stay

On the first post. But “Teapot”? Come on.

I do think we need to talk to each other but not via trolling.

[TomSlick]

42. "Enjoy your stay" is a DU classic response to apparent trolls.

It's the DU equivalent of the southern "bless your heart."

[mahina]

47. Yup

Been around a little while

Thanks 😊

[JohnSJ]

30. Good

[herding cats]

35. I didn't see the post.

I do want to mention that I've seen propagandist supporting Russia out and about everyplace on the internet recently. Which I assume is what this was? Alert, call them out and expect more to fill their void. It's just how it works in times such as these. For example, 2014-2016 were nuts around here, but I think most here now know better and at least RT is out of LBN now. Crazy days those were.

Some are actual Russians I've seen, but here I suspect it's local level trolls just buying the propaganda being sold to them wholesale. It's truly sad to witness.

[TomSlick]

43. It was RW trolling. It read like a Tucker Carlson parrot.

If they were Russian, they had good English skills.

[AntiFascist]

15. I agree...

Too many Germans and other Europeans are dependent on natural gas.

Also, economic sanctions and a demoralized Russian military may fuel a greater desire for insurgency against Putin.

[Amishman]

17. Extreme sanctions and other economic measures cause Russia's economy and government to collapse

I'll be honest that I'm upset that there are still more sanctions possible, meaning that after Russia stole Crimea, we didn't play every card we held.

No more weak slaps on the wrist, no more even playing fair. Isolate and implode them; causing suffering to the Russian people now is for the good of the rest of the world.

[uponit7771]

45. +1, Ukraine might be worse than Afghanistan in money and last years RUS will be bleed dry and

... no amount of Chinese help could save them.

[Tommy Carcetti]

19. A coup of Putin by a more reasoned individual...

…who knows war is a mistake, followed by a free and fair election and release of Navalny and other political prisoners.

Or even better, a popular revolution by Russian citizens.

Mass desertions in the Russian army.

[iemanja]

21. I don't see one

I think Putin is going to win this thing.
But then I'm an eternal pessimist.

[herding cats]

37. What does Putin winning this look like to you? If I may ask?

I'm a recent pessimist, not an eternal one.

I'm not being snarky, or baiting. I'm just curious since my worst case's scenario is an end game of Putin trying to leave as much damage in his wake before he dies as his ultimate legacy as possible. He's sowed dissent in Europe, the UK and the US on levels I'd have never thought possible in my college years. But, all of this is just my perspective.

[iemanja]

41. He takes Ukraine

and puts a puppet leader in place. Sometime later, he then takes another country.

He'll be an international pariah, but I don't think he cares about that. He'll find markets for Russian oil even if Europe ceases to be a customer.

[Xoan]

22. Putin hitlers himself.

[roamer65]

32. I'd provide the revolver.

[Johonny]

50. Yup, that's the best outcome

[cadoman]

24. that it'll quickly be over and added to the end of this list without too many people dying

Really puts shit in perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

[DemocraticPatriot]

27. I think President Biden has demonstrated calm, steady, measured leadership in this

which is a stark contrast to "TFG" (the former guy)
who conducted foreign policy by enraged Tweets in the middle of the night


America voted to have a calm and measured leader, and that is what she got.

Yes, these are not the long-term results, but I think Russia is stepping into a steaming pile of shit.
The Ukranians are proud, and they will continue to fight, even after Putin 'declares victory'.


Afghaistan 3.0 times ten.

[moondust]

34. Somebody chokes on their borscht

and never recovers?

[Trueblue1968]

36. putins head explodes. good guy takes over after .....

my fantasy.

[Raine]

38. Putin's face is bloated and he looks sickly maybe whatever

is causing his sickly appearance will kill him and someone will yake over who isn't power mad and has some good sense. 🙏🤞

[herding cats]

39. Best possible?

Putin will not bask in murdering people for his ego. That's best case I can imagine.

He's a very messed up person who is angry over things which transpired some 2 decades ago (expansions of NATO) which I think he took as salt in the wounds of the breakup of the Soviet Union. Which he's most definitely never recovered from. He's been playing a long game since the early '00 and here we are. He's going to very possibly murder a lot of people for some slight he's been lamenting for that long. That's the legacy he wants.

[uponit7771]

46. +1, it was UKR breaking away that lead the Russian federation to say screw this we're not ...

... shelling out money for the other poor satellite countries before the USSR fell.

I think he holds UKR responsible for the start of the end of the end

[Azathoth]

48. Eastern Ukraine is gone

It has joined the Crimea as part of Greater Russia.

The best outcome now is the western provinces retain some semblance of self-governance and Putin decides his point has been made.

[Dirty Socialist]

49. Ukraine will fall easily

However, Russia’s problems will be only beginning.