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Nevilledog

(51,178 posts)
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 09:38 PM Feb 2022

Scientists Attached Tracking Devices to Magpies. But Nobody Asked The Magpies





https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-attached-tracking-devices-to-magpies-that-s-when-things-got-weird

When we attached tiny, backpack-like tracking devices to five Australian magpies for a pilot study, we didn't expect to discover an entirely new social behavior rarely seen in birds.

Our goal was to learn more about the movement and social dynamics of these highly intelligent birds, and to test these new, durable and reusable devices. Instead, the birds outsmarted us.

As our new research paper explains, the magpies began showing evidence of cooperative "rescue" behavior to help each other remove the tracker.

While we're familiar with magpies being intelligent and social creatures, this was the first instance we knew of that showed this type of seemingly altruistic behavior: helping another member of the group without getting an immediate, tangible reward.

*snip*

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Scientists Attached Tracking Devices to Magpies. But Nobody Asked The Magpies (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2022 OP
Good for the mags!! niyad Feb 2022 #1
Swell, now magpies are more advanced than us gratuitous Feb 2022 #2
Seems to me, the immediate reward is not having a blinky-box stuck to my back. Volaris Feb 2022 #30
No obvious reward for the rescuer, though. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #38
More advanced than some of us - maybe more advanced than most of us. soldierant Feb 2022 #33
Yep this ⬆️ live love laugh Feb 2022 #36
Love This Beetwasher. Feb 2022 #3
LOL Hekate Feb 2022 #4
They obviously haven't spent enough time around magpies TrogL Feb 2022 #5
How funny! PatSeg Feb 2022 #21
The study here is about Australian Magpies StClone Feb 2022 #27
They must be Democrats.... they exhibit altruism. nt albacore Feb 2022 #6
We have a family of 5 here. Aussie105 Feb 2022 #7
Headline: Disaffected Feb 2022 #8
Maggots smarter than MAGAts Nevilledog Feb 2022 #10
Scientists set out to learn about magpies and unexpectedly achieved success. LonePirate Feb 2022 #9
A Mischief of Magpies. El Supremo Feb 2022 #11
Omnivorous, actually. Aussie105 Feb 2022 #12
Stopped throwing food scraps in the trash at all Deminpenn Feb 2022 #35
heh Skittles Feb 2022 #13
*snicker* Nevilledog Feb 2022 #14
Well known fact magpies swear a lot. Aussie105 Feb 2022 #15
I, for one, welcome our new corvid overlords!! hatrack Feb 2022 #16
Strange it is not? Big Blue Marble Feb 2022 #17
My money is on the group that has been around the longest. Aussie105 Feb 2022 #19
I don't think our maggies are corvids canetoad Feb 2022 #23
Magpies seem to be smarter that MAGATS. lunatica Feb 2022 #18
Magpie chatter . . . Aussie105 Feb 2022 #20
Doesn't surprise me a bit canetoad Feb 2022 #22
So magpies are smarter than Rethuglicans. CaptainTruth Feb 2022 #24
Yes! AllyCat Feb 2022 #29
Magpies are birds of the Corvidae family. Botany Feb 2022 #25
I'm forever trying to outsmart magpies. MontanaMama Feb 2022 #26
I wonder how they would react Lars39 Feb 2022 #31
Tried it! MontanaMama Feb 2022 #37
Darn! Lars39 Feb 2022 #39
I heart magpies!! AllyCat Feb 2022 #28
We look out for one another all right! Quixote1818 Feb 2022 #32
Was just going to post something similar. North Shore Chicago Feb 2022 #34
MGs are awesome but they exterminate librechik Feb 2022 #40

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. Swell, now magpies are more advanced than us
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 09:41 PM
Feb 2022

"Helping another member of the group without getting an immediate, tangible reward."

soldierant

(6,905 posts)
33. More advanced than some of us - maybe more advanced than most of us.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 12:39 AM
Feb 2022

Not more advanced than all of us. Not yet.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
5. They obviously haven't spent enough time around magpies
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 09:43 PM
Feb 2022

My yard usually has at least one at any given time.

They play tag with my dog. They attack me on the way to the van. I've seen the dog dig something interesting out of the snow, then one magpie distracts him while the other grabs it.

StClone

(11,686 posts)
27. The study here is about Australian Magpies
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 12:20 AM
Feb 2022

A type of butcherbird, related distantly to the five "real" magpies of more Northern distribution with two in North America. It is by all accounts an even bigger character than our magpies. Check out the videos on Australian Magpie (named by early British explorers because it has a color pattern that is similar to the bird of Britain).

Aussie105

(5,420 posts)
7. We have a family of 5 here.
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 09:46 PM
Feb 2022

They work co-operatively, the older male (?) scopes out the environment, if safe, the others come down to feed off the food I put out.

When the two youngest were first out of the nest mobile, the adults would show them how to eat - graze off grass bugs, hop on the side of the bird feeder, drink the water.

When they initially insisted on being fed mouth to mouth by the adults, the adults would back away and repeat the 'feed yourself' demonstration.

The young ones learnt quickly.

The adults now recognize me by sight.

They are birds, but descended from a long line of very smart dinosaurs.

LonePirate

(13,430 posts)
9. Scientists set out to learn about magpies and unexpectedly achieved success.
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 09:49 PM
Feb 2022

Humans and birds alike benefited from this experiment.

Aussie105

(5,420 posts)
12. Omnivorous, actually.
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 09:58 PM
Feb 2022

Seeds, insects, grubs, your discarded half eaten fast food hamburger, roadkill - all good food for them.

Get it while you can is their motto.

Part of Mother Natures clean up squad, and one step before scavengers like ants.

Deminpenn

(15,289 posts)
35. Stopped throwing food scraps in the trash at all
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:38 AM
Feb 2022

Just toss them in the backyard where my crows, and other critters, generally clean them up within minutes.

Aussie105

(5,420 posts)
15. Well known fact magpies swear a lot.
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:04 PM
Feb 2022

You should hear their swearing when another species of birds encroach on their territory.

Expert swoopers too, the ibis that visit regularly have learnt to duck at the right time.

Big Blue Marble

(5,127 posts)
17. Strange it is not?
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:22 PM
Feb 2022

Magpies remove their trackers, while we voluntarily keep ours in our pockets?
Say again, who is the smartest species?

Aussie105

(5,420 posts)
19. My money is on the group that has been around the longest.
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:50 PM
Feb 2022

And it isn't humans.

133 species in the Corvid (Crow) family. Now you can't do that level of evolution and specialization by being dumb.

Humans - I'm counting the number of species in the Hominid family, can't get past a very low number. 8 or so.

canetoad

(17,175 posts)
23. I don't think our maggies are corvids
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:13 PM
Feb 2022

The Brit magpies are.

I found the local Koorie name for our local Aussie crows (little ravens) - Waarn. How cool is that?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. Magpies seem to be smarter that MAGATS.
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:43 PM
Feb 2022

I bet they don’t drink Koolaid either.

I love Magpie ever since I saw the Australian movie about one who was taken in by a family. I’m sure I would be consistently outsmarted by one!

Aussie105

(5,420 posts)
20. Magpie chatter . . .
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:54 PM
Feb 2022

Marty the Magpie: Yo! Hang on Fred, you got some sort of big bug on your back.
Here, let me get it off you! Stand still!

Fred says: Thanks Marty! Let me check your back!

canetoad

(17,175 posts)
22. Doesn't surprise me a bit
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:10 PM
Feb 2022

They are clever buggers who live in socialist colonies where the two, three, four year old birds work as a co-operative to raise, educate (and bully) the new borns. They're incredibly easy to train and once they suss out a source of food, they are extrememly bold in asking for a treat.

MontanaMama

(23,336 posts)
37. Tried it!
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 12:45 PM
Feb 2022

A ceramic egg anyway. Looks identical to my chicken’s brown eggs…they know the difference because they peck a hold in the egg so they can hold on to it when they fly. They steal them to take them to their babies to eat.

North Shore Chicago

(3,321 posts)
34. Was just going to post something similar.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:16 AM
Feb 2022

This cartoon was one of my faves! These guys were such smart asses!

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