American Putin apologists will implode if Russia launches an all out war in Ukraine

[Tom Rinaldo]

Ukraine is a white, European, Christian nation with major cosmopolitan cities. Exactly the type of people that Republican base voters tend to identify with. Russia, under Putin, made major inroads over the last decade currying favor inside today's Republican Party. Under Trump Putin almost managed to destroy NATO. Russia has reason to believe that Trump can be reinstalled as their boy in Washington come 2024, but all that effort can go up in smoke if, for example, Putin launches an all out assault on Kiev.

Americans, in recent decades, viewed urban warfare on TV, leveling homes in Syria, in Iraq, in Afghanistan. We saw floods of refugees fleeing violence in Rwanda, in Libya, in Myanmar. But they weren't white European Christians.

Tucker Carlson can try spinning fast enough to turn a turbine providing power for Boise, but that won't make Putin palatable to white Christian Fox viewers watching Ukrainian churches get bombed to smithereens.

Putin closed within striking distance of successfully subverting American democracy. That Kremlin wet dream will be among the first casualties of Putin's war in Ukraine, if missiles start falling there.

[wishstar]

1. Putin hopes Ukraine will stand down the way Afghan govt and military let Taliban win

Ukraine seems unprepared and caught off guard until just a couple of days ago in denial that Putin seriously wanted to invade and takeover.

[Tom Rinaldo]

3. If that happens then Putin and his bootlickers (including Tucker) will win

Ukraine could have prepared more sooner, but no degree of preparation that they were capable of doing alone could have been sufficient to initially defeat a full on Russian invasion. What matters most now is their resolve to fight. An invasion is one thing, a successful occupation is another.

I don't think Ukraine will "stand down" if fully invaded, and if it doesn't Putin will eventually lose, at a horrific human cost.

[hatrack]

2. No, they'll just pretend they never said any such thing . . . .

Then, on to the next distraction!! CRT!! Woke thugs!! Lock Her Up!! Satanic Biden!! Oppressed Christians!!

[brooklynite]

4. Your argument completely fails...

Russia (in the west) is also a White, European, Christian nation. The point is that, in the minds of the RW, there are “good” Whites and “bad”Whites…just like they see the situation here. And they “know” the Ukrainians are “bad” Whites because they’re seen as tied to Hunter Biden. They would have no reason to drop support for Russia.

[Tom Rinaldo]

5. There may well be "Good Whites and Bad Whites" in RW minds

And there will always be some far right minds who even think that Hitler was a "Good White", but (after some serious flirtation with overt fascism in the 30's) most of the American right settled into thinking that the British were "Good Whites" during WWII, but not the Germans.

When whites start getting slaughtered in Europe, the aggressors become the villains.

[uponit7771]

15. True, I don't think this will last though. America is going to side with democracy and MAGA will

... be on the wrong side of this position.

I think this will cost them, we should be exploiting this as much as possible

[gab13by13]

6. Your argument completely fails

because the Putin apologists will show the bloodshed and blame president Biden and the Democrats and the MSM and the GQP will follow suit.

IMO a big reason that Putin invaded Ukraine was to bring down president Biden and the Democrats.

Putin's #1 goal is to end democracy in the United States.

[qazplm135]

7. Nah

They've proven they are extremely morally flexible.

[Celerity]

13. +1

[abqtommy]

8. I don't really care what "American Putin apologists" do, as long as they do it from a prison

cell.

[doc03]

9. They will do what Trump tells them to do. nt

[Wounded Bear]

10. Wishful thinking IMHO...nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. This is a case where I don't want to be proved right

But I think some here are underestimating the power that the suffering of "sympathetic" innocent victims conveys. And to those who say that Ukrainians will not seem "sympathetic" to many Trump voters, I will point out that even in the entrenched racist society that held sway in White America in the early 1960's, the death of four young African American girls in the Birmingham Alabama Church bombing in 1963 broke through to a significant number of previously indifferent white Americans sufficiently enough to meaningfully advance the struggle for civil rights in America. Many considered that a turning point.

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. For the record, I stand by this opinion.

It may not be immediate, it may take months, but the war in Ukraine will not end anytime soon, Ukrainians will continue to resist, and more and more Americans will identify with their struggle.

[llmart]

14. I think you give Americans too much credit.

The only thing Americans care about is what hits them in the pocketbook, and they will place the blame for that on our President. If the pandemic and the insurrection didn't prove to you what Americans are really like, then I don't know what will.