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Do you think Putin would attack a NATO member? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2022 OP
that would truly mean WW3 WarGamer Feb 2022 #1
I think so JohnSJ Feb 2022 #6
Then don't bother filling out a will... WarGamer Feb 2022 #10
I don't think Putin will risk outside of Ukraine. JohnSJ Feb 2022 #15
I don't either WarGamer Feb 2022 #16
Not until he gets The Biggest Loser is back in charge TheRealNorth Feb 2022 #20
If he is allowed to get away with invading Ukraine Best_man23 Feb 2022 #2
The armchair generals have apparently arrived. brooklynite Feb 2022 #5
that's the correct answer. WarGamer Feb 2022 #11
Yes they have sarisataka Feb 2022 #12
Correct. Celerity Feb 2022 #18
Yes vercetti2021 Feb 2022 #3
He already did. KentuckyWoman Feb 2022 #4
All those border states. Texaswitchy Feb 2022 #7
If he thinks they should be part of Russia, yes mvd Feb 2022 #8
He's counting on it. C_U_L8R Feb 2022 #9
Russia has NUKES. Putin would be STUPID to use them. ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2022 #13
Putin mentioned Nukes in his speech, Putin doesn't care about Article 5. sarcasmo Feb 2022 #22
Russia can't afford to get into a multi front war. War with Ukraine alone could bankrupt them Quixote1818 Feb 2022 #14
NATO would take out his military. Texaswitchy Feb 2022 #19
No. Collective defence - Article 5 Celerity Feb 2022 #17
A few days ago I would have said no The Revolution Feb 2022 #21
Finland gave them hell in '39 TheRealNorth Feb 2022 #23
Yeah, a year ago I would have said no way Retrograde Feb 2022 #24
If he thinks he can get away with it, he will DFW Feb 2022 #25
It's not a one-way street. Straw Man Feb 2022 #26
We wouldn't use nuclear arms first DFW Feb 2022 #27
Agreed. Straw Man Feb 2022 #28
Ironically for Putin, it would have exactly the opposite effect he is now seeking DFW Feb 2022 #29
No, but he wants everyone to believe he is capable of everything Amishman Feb 2022 #30

WarGamer

(14,652 posts)
16. I don't either
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:01 AM
Feb 2022

He saw what happened in Iraq

Lots of countries screamed and yelled but soon forgot about it.

He thinks he can also get away with it.

TheRealNorth

(9,628 posts)
20. Not until he gets The Biggest Loser is back in charge
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:12 AM
Feb 2022

Then Putin can purge Eastern Europe while Trump does his purges here.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
5. The armchair generals have apparently arrived.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:52 AM
Feb 2022

The Baltic States AND Poland are NATO members; a Russian invasion would oblige the US and other NATO States to respond militarily.

sarisataka

(20,656 posts)
12. Yes they have
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:56 AM
Feb 2022

they are replacing the fortune tellers who have been positive Russia would not attack Ukraine.

There is a good reason we have put troops in Poland and the Baltics. The moving of other NATO forces east is a warning of what will happen if any forces try to advance beyond the Ukrainian border.

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,633 posts)
13. Russia has NUKES. Putin would be STUPID to use them.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:58 AM
Feb 2022

We had them first. That is how we were able to end WW2 with Japan.

Putin attacks a NATO country, we are in because of Article 5. Putin will lose.

Quixote1818

(29,997 posts)
14. Russia can't afford to get into a multi front war. War with Ukraine alone could bankrupt them
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:59 AM
Feb 2022

if it drags on for years.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
19. NATO would take out his military.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:07 AM
Feb 2022

My cousin in the Czech Republic has two grandsons active duty, other grandsons in reserve units.

They are called up.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
17. No. Collective defence - Article 5
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:06 AM
Feb 2022
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

The principle of collective defence is at the very heart of NATO’s founding treaty. It remains a unique and enduring principle that binds its members together, committing them to protect each other and setting a spirit of solidarity within the Alliance.



The Revolution

(784 posts)
21. A few days ago I would have said no
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:47 AM
Feb 2022

Now I'm not so sure. Attacking a NATO state would seem foolish, unless Putin believes we won't start WW3 over Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. Poland had defensive pacts with France and the UK, Hitler attacked anyway.

If Putin is irrational or has descended into full on megalomania, who knows what he'll do. This talk about Ukraine not even being a real country, imaginary genocides, a need to "protect" Russians living in neighboring countries... it just all seems right out of Hitler's playbook.

Maybe he'll go after Finland next. They aren't in NATO either.

TheRealNorth

(9,628 posts)
23. Finland gave them hell in '39
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:21 AM
Feb 2022

Granted, that was immediately after Stalin's purges destroyed the Red Army command structure.

DFW

(56,175 posts)
25. If he thinks he can get away with it, he will
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 04:16 AM
Feb 2022

If he is told in no uncertain terms that it will elicit a nuclear response, he won't.

The question is, do we want to risk London, Berlin, Paris, New York and Washington getting nuked to save Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia? Putin is probably thinking we won't. But in attacking the whole of the Ukrainian territory, he has demonstrated that he thinks he can get away with a lot already.

Straw Man

(6,739 posts)
26. It's not a one-way street.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:02 AM
Feb 2022
The question is, do we want to risk London, Berlin, Paris, New York and Washington getting nuked to save Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia? Putin is probably thinking we won't.

Put Moscow on that list. Does he want to risk that in order to get Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia?

Straw Man

(6,739 posts)
28. Agreed.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:13 AM
Feb 2022

But it would be the end of the Russian nation. The West would probably survive, albeit badly damaged, but Russia would cease to exist as a nation state.

DFW

(56,175 posts)
29. Ironically for Putin, it would have exactly the opposite effect he is now seeking
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:20 AM
Feb 2022

Instead of a restored Great Russian Empire, breakaway regions, especially the eastern parts with lots of natural resources and few people, would probably find the courage to declare themselves independent of the more heavily populated "incompetents" of European Russia, who would then really be up shit creek. They would then have all the mouths to feed, and nothing to offer to pay for the food.

Amishman

(5,697 posts)
30. No, but he wants everyone to believe he is capable of everything
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 07:21 AM
Feb 2022

He wants the world to fear him, because that fear allows him to take actions like this.

The wrist slap sanctions we have placed so far are utterly inadequate. Time for total trade embargo and forfeiture of Russian assets overseas.

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