MSNBC's Hayes Brown on possible Ukraine effort to oust Russia from UN Security Council

[highplainsdem]

This makes for fascinating reading. The twitter thread starts here, with a tweet posted a little over half an hour ago:

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[WheelWalker]

1. Yes. That's exactly what I understood him to be arguing.

Brilliant. He made a powerful point.

[kacekwl]

2. Why is this even a question ?

I assume all members of NATO are handy at this time. Stage a vote and do it already. As with so much shit these days consequences need to be swift not drag on for years or never.

[Elwood P Dowd]

3. What about this from Peter Baker?

Peter Baker
@peterbakernyt
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2h
Reminder: Russia signed a binding international agreement in 1994 committing "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine” and “to refrain from the threat or use of force” against the country.

[cilla4progress]

4. Ya think?

FFS.

They need to be relegated to wherever outlaw states and maniacs go!

[SergeStorms]

18. That would be Mar-a-largo.

Drumpf seems to be the de-facto activities coordinator and cheerleader for thugs and anti- democracy dictators. He relishes the role.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

5. For this thread

Link to tweet

[Cha]

15. Straight to HELL

[malaise]

28. HMMMMMMMM!

Apparently that didn't apply to Bush and Cheney

[Sogo]

6. Sounds like a very legitimate argument....

[herding cats]

7. I heard this when he said such and admit I was intrigued.

Their permanent inclusion in the UN is extremely problematic, and this is an interesting angle.

[EndlessWire]

8. Yeah

I don't think too many countries would worry about how it looks when they busted their asses trying to head this off. The very regions that asked the UN for help then had Russia declare war on Ukraine. Who's kidding who? Kick them the hell out of the UN. Apparently, no need to keep them available for peace talks.

[The Revolution]

9. Sounds good to me

The USSR had a seat, but the USSR no longer exists, so that seat is vacant. For that matter, have Taiwan take back their seat from the PRC if they complain. Putin's argument is that the Ukraine government isn't legitimate because their was a "coup". If PRC agrees with that logic then they are not the legitimate government of China either.

[brooklynite]

23. In which case, the time to litigate this was (counts...) 30 years ago.

The only precedent (China) would be to decide that some other entity was the legitimate Government of Russia. That entity doesn't exist.

[AngryOldDem]

10. They have no right to a seat.

Their veto negates whatever the Security Council wants to do, and makes a mockery of the whole body.

[qazplm135]

11. China would simply veto

and that's that.

[SergeStorms]

19. They'd have to think about that very carefully.

Their trade with all of the EU countries and North American countries dwarfs any trade they have with Russia.

They may agree on some military necessities, but when it comes to keeping the Chinese economy humming along, that's a different story.

You may very well be correct, but it certainly wouldn't be a snap decision. The Chinese are patient, and they'd think that through thoroughly I believe.

[qazplm135]

20. They want Taiwan

This pact was already made

[SergeStorms]

21. We'll see.

China has much more to lose than Russia.

[qazplm135]

22. They ain't attacking Russia today

Quite the contrary

[SergeStorms]

24. We went from discussing a possible veto....

from China, to attacks?

When you can stick to one subject at a time, let me know.

[qazplm135]

27. Quit being super literal

I'm clearly talking about rhetorical attacks not military.

[malaise]

29. You are correct n/t

[Hekate]

12. Well, well. Who knew?

Very intriguing.

[Cha]

13. Here's the ambassador citing the part of the charter that deals

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Rts TY

[blue-wave]

14. It needs to be done

Oust Russia and put Ukraine in it's place.

[left-of-center2012]

16. That would never happen

Both China and Russia would veto it.

[nvme]

17. That is an interesting argument. The USSR no longer exists.

[uponit7771]

25. hmmmm

[crickets]

26. In normal times, this argument wouldn't fly.

Given the circumstances, however... interesting.