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Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:37 AM Feb 2022

President Zelenskyy, about half an hour ago:

Talked to @POTUS, @OlafScholz, @eucopresident, @AndrzejDuda, @BorisJohnson. Urge to stop Putin, war against 🇺🇦 & the world immediately! Building an anti-Putin coalition. Immediate sanctions, defense & financial support to 🇺🇦! Close the airspace! The world must force 🇷🇺 into peace





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President Zelenskyy, about half an hour ago: (Original Post) Leghorn21 Feb 2022 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Mary in S. Carolina Feb 2022 #1
This man is in great danger. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #2
Agree, he should evacuate. n/t Coventina Feb 2022 #3
That's what Putin wants blm Feb 2022 #4
I know, but I don't want to see him martyred. Coventina Feb 2022 #5
Same dilemma for the leaders of countries Hitler invaded. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #8
The irony, of course... regnaD kciN Feb 2022 #10
That's what makes this whole situation so crazy. JanMichael Feb 2022 #21
Yes then the country falls most likely. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #6
He sure is! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #17
..... Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #18
Hi! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #19
Another post from hiim moments ago: Leghorn21 Feb 2022 #7
shut down all air traffic to and from russia nt msongs Feb 2022 #9
The claim that Russia is a pariah has to have teeth. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2022 #13
we need united and immediate overwhelming response AlexSFCA Feb 2022 #11
Absolutely, Alex Leghorn21 Feb 2022 #12
Putin says that sanctions don't matter. But remember, Putin is a propagandist. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2022 #15
Romantic NJCher Feb 2022 #20
Rt TY Leghorn Cha Feb 2022 #14
Shut down blue-wave Feb 2022 #16

Response to Leghorn21 (Original post)

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
5. I know, but I don't want to see him martyred.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:46 AM
Feb 2022

I feel he's more powerful alive.

But, I don't claim any expertise in this situation, so I could be totally wrong.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
8. Same dilemma for the leaders of countries Hitler invaded.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:53 AM
Feb 2022

To stay or leave.

Some thought leaving to help in exile would be better.
Some stayed and worked with Hitler.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
10. The irony, of course...
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:15 AM
Feb 2022

...is that Zelenskyy was a comedian and actor with no political experience, elected president while promising to end the conflict between his country and Russia, defeating the leader who had been at conflict with Russia since 2014. Many thought that Russia was aiding him in his electoral run.

I guess nothing short of complete surrender is acceptable to Putin.

JanMichael

(24,885 posts)
21. That's what makes this whole situation so crazy.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:08 AM
Feb 2022

People forget about how this guy was a comedian and actor and all of a sudden because of this uneducated worldwide rage of taking celebrities and making them leaders all of a sudden he was the president.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
7. Another post from hiim moments ago:
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:52 AM
Feb 2022

I continue negotiations with the leaders. Received support from the Emir of Qatar @TamimBinHamad. The world is with us.




Such a good man

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
13. The claim that Russia is a pariah has to have teeth.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:44 AM
Feb 2022

So Putin must get political, economic, and cultural isolation. No trade, no traffic. In todays interconnected world, Russia's isolation and rejection has to be comprehensive. Russia can't be selling fossil fuels to Europe, and the oligarchs have to be cut off from a lot of their money. (They'll have to hold the rest in a country that, aside from the cut-off fossil fuel exports, makes virtually nothing on its own.) That fuel pays for the army to invade Ukraine. The world economy will have to bend a lot to choke off Russia, but it must be done. Russia will continue to expand if they are not stopped.

I've been to other news sites. There are quite a few posters who rave at Biden and the Administration. They call Biden soft and cognitively impaired. They rage about alleged US/European softness or lack of resolve or various unarticulated weaknesses. The most vituperative are those whose monikers are one short name or character serials, like "Bob." I think we've seen this pattern before. I think that the Russians have unleashed an army of propagandists on "comments" sites. All of a sudden, they're climbing the walls.

The common sense reaction from citizens in the US is sympathy for Ukrainians who can only be viewed as underdogs in this war. Cheering on Putin is not an American characteristic. We don't do that for a reason. But small slice of folks who DO are in sympathy with a mass murderer, tyrant, and sociopath. Go figure. Western "democracies" value self-governance in a variety of forms. That's been a tradition for centuries. That's what we know.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
11. we need united and immediate overwhelming response
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:18 AM
Feb 2022

there is so much US and allies could do quickly that will make russian people rebel against putin in millions. The change must be induced from within.
- Sanction ALL banks in Russia
- Sanction all transactions going to western countries
- Lobby all major corporations immediately suspend all operations in Russia and access to its servers - Microsoft, Visa, Mastercard, etc.
- Cut any and all trade
- Suspend travel visas to western counties for russians (can be done overnight)

The ones above can be done very quickly and will force Russians to go on streets in millions rebel against putin. And so much more can be done.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
12. Absolutely, Alex
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:42 AM
Feb 2022

No fuckin MERCY, and the People of Russia can kick these socialite mobster thug rulers to the curb or yeah, prison

LOOKIN AT YOU, LAVROV
DERIPASKO
PRIGOZHIN
MOGILEVICH
ETC ETC

and ya'll can lock up that disgusting piece of filth PAUL MANAFORT for us please,
because we couldn't seem to pull that off by ourselves

hell yeah, can you imagine REAL RUSSIA RISING UP

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
15. Putin says that sanctions don't matter. But remember, Putin is a propagandist.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:54 AM
Feb 2022

He WILL lie to convey a sense of strength even if he doesn't have any. THAT'S HIS JOB.

And remember again that Putin WANTS to project an air of omnipotence and superiority. THAT'S HIS JOB. The right wingers in the US have fallen for Putin's rhetoric, hook, line, and sinker. They'd believe that Putin wears the best shoes even if their eyes told them that Putin is bare-foot. They bought into Putin like... they bought into Trump. Mentally, they are nearly one and the same. Trump's base is highly "romantic." They truly believe that backing a dictator will cause them to love their country more. That's what I mean by "romantic." They willingly cannot criticize Trump, or they'll get punished or banished. This is very similar, but to a less extreme degree, to Putin's intolerance of political diversity. Those who advocate for it or even report it are either killed or imprisoned.

NJCher

(35,661 posts)
20. Romantic
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:03 AM
Feb 2022

I liked that. Sums up their naïveté quite nicely.

This post and your other one above: totally on target.

You know who is just as naive as these trumpers is certain members of the media. Nora O’Donnell and Margaret Brennan are two examples. They will look at people like Blinken straight in the eye and say sanctions don’t work.

They seem to think that sanctions—the mere threat of them—will deter a sociopath like Putin. Their question shows their ignorance of how sanctions were implemented in the past. It also shows they don’t know how they work, I.e., the pressure it puts on the system and thus their leader.

They disgust me.

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
16. Shut down
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:55 AM
Feb 2022

Russia's ability to sell oil or natural gas. The two combined account for 40% of the annual Russian national budget.

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