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Yorkie Mom

(16,595 posts)
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:03 PM Feb 2022

Putin's Attack on Ukraine Is a Religious War

Putin’s Attack on Ukraine Is a Religious War
Russia’s aggression against its neighbor isn’t just power politics and geostrategy, it’s about core issues of faith and identity

John Schindler

It’s finally happened. Early today, after weeks of will-he-or-won’t-he speculation, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared war on his neighbor and launched a major, multi-pronged invasion into Southern, Eastern, and Northern Ukraine. This is just the first military phase of many to come, only a small amount of the vast forces that Moscow has marshalled on Ukraine’s frontiers have entered action yet. Any judgements about the progress of the war would be premature (though this newsletter will be providing regular assessments on this conflict, Europe’s most important war since 1945).

What needs to be established is why Putin has done this. Unleashing full-scale war here represents an enormous political gamble – failure in Ukraine could unravel his two-decade rule over Russia – from a leader who’s generally been tactically adventurous yet strategically cautious. Most Western “experts” got this wrong and many seem stunned that the Kremlin has really started a major war. As Top Secret Umbra previously noted, this represents a collective failure of the Western elite, which so misread Putin, despite his being plain about his contempt for the United States and NATO for 15 years, as well as his dismissive attitude towards Ukraine as more a “region” than a bona fide country:

Putin waged a hot war of aggression against Ukraine in 2014-15, starting with Russia’s theft of Crimea by GRU’s Little Green Men, followed by the seizure of a good-sized chunk of Ukraine’s southeast by the Russian military. That conflict has ever entirely faded out, and Moscow’s de facto holding on to pieces of Ukraine means that country will never be allowed to enter NATO. Given the recent past, and the not-entirely-frozen conflict in Donetsk and Luhansk, how on earth can anybody be surprised that Putin might attack Ukraine again?

Moscow told us, most of us just didn’t bother to listen. If Western elites listened at all, they dismissed Putin’s strange analysis as the ravings of a madman, or at least someone not operating in our Western unipolar reality. As this newsletter explained further:

... snip

We should not indulge Muscovite conspiracy theories nor countenance Russian aggression. However, the facts are plain enough. Simply put, by recognizing the OCU and hailing its creation, Washington changed the Kremlin’s game in Ukraine, making Putin’s long-term plans for his neighbor untenable. Without a united Orthodox Church across the former lands of Rus, answering to Moscow, the “Russian World” concept falls apart. Every secular geostrategic challenge cited as a reason for Putin’s aggression – NATO expansion, Western military moves, oil and gas politics – existed in 2014, yet Putin then chose to limit his attacks on Ukraine to Crimea and the Southeast. What’s changed since then that makes his effort to subdue all Ukraine seem like a good idea in the Kremlin? The creation of an autocephalous Orthodox Church of Ukraine in 2019, with official American backing, is the difference, and Moscow believes this was all a nefarious U.S. plot to divide world Orthodoxy at Russia’s expense. Clearly Putin has decided that reclaiming Ukraine and its capital, “the mother of Russian cities,” for Russian Orthodoxy is worth a major war. Make no mistake, this is a religious war, even if almost nobody in the West realizes it.

More: https://topsecretumbra.substack.com/p/putins-attack-on-ukraine-is-a-religious?utm_source=url
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Phoenix61

(18,828 posts)
1. That Putin would inflame religious ire to support
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 09:22 PM
Feb 2022

his goal is a given. Why now? The US is the most divided it’s been since the Vietnam protests and civil rights riots, possibly more so. Covid-19 is still in play but the omicron wave has already crested or will within the next month or two. Some Republicans are cheering him on. I believe he assumed that would impact our response but you know what they say about assuming.

Thomas Hurt

(13,982 posts)
2. Don't buy it, I don't think Putin is at all religious. Is he using the Orthodox Church...
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 10:05 PM
Feb 2022

like the Pig was using the evangelicals, you bet.

Also, why is it every time Putin makes a land grab some a hole rolls out the "they misread Putin". I don't believe that bit either. Way too many smart people in the foreign services of the West to not get what Putin is.

Karadeniz

(24,746 posts)
3. Remember Bushie saying he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul. Moron. Biden was spot on
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 07:45 PM
Feb 2022

when he told Putin he looked into his eyes and saw no soul. Putin's response, "Now we understand one another."

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
4. What Top Secret Umbra is he writing about?
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 07:58 PM
Feb 2022

Top Secret Umbra isn't a document it is an old NSA codeword that I have read has been brought back.

maxsolomon

(38,717 posts)
5. Learned this today: the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is the "Uniate Church".
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 08:09 PM
Feb 2022

It's a blending of Catholicism and Orthodox, and it dates to 1596:

The Poles and Lithuanians were Roman Catholics and tried with some success to convert the Orthodox lesser nobility. In 1596, they set up the "Greek-Catholic" or Uniate Church; it dominates western Ukraine to this day. Religious differentiation left the Ukrainian Orthodox peasants leaderless, as they were reluctant to follow the Ukrainian nobles.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

Igel

(37,535 posts)
6. No it's not.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 11:46 PM
Feb 2022

That's a different thing.

There are four churches to keep separate. Sadly, many have similar names. *And* the ROC has *everyI interest in making sure that you're confused.

There's the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. It's pure orthodox.
It's under the ROC. It's dwindling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Orthodox_Church_(Moscow_Patriarchate), and the ROC hates this. I chalk its continued strong-ish existence to indifference and predict it's imminent defunctitude.

There's the Ukrainian Orthodox Church--Kyiv Patriarchate. It's defunct. It's absorbed. It's pining for the fjords.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Orthodox_Church_%E2%80%93_Kyiv_Patriarchate

There's the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. It's autocephalous. It's 100% Orthodox. It's 0% Catholic. It probably inherits whatever ecumenism the ROC had absorbed, and little more. It's *not* Uniate. It smells of the Uniate church like a bobcat smells like an angler fish or either of us smells like tyrannosaurus spore. They're from different worlds. Same 3 words, but the meaning is different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Church_of_Ukraine#Unification_council_(2018)

Then there's the Uniate church with its current name. It's historically geographically restricted, given its origins. It's emphatically *not* directly related to anything ROC, but the ROC has painted everything "heretical" as "uniate" for centuries and proceeded to try to burn the witches. The Wiki link drinks deeply of Uniate thought, but the outline's right. It's *not* to be confused with the OCU. Don't buy the neo-Putinist/ROCist agitprop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Greek_Catholic_Church#De-Latinization_vs._Traditionalism

(That said, I'm neither Catholic, Uniate, ROC, or OCU. Think of them all as having rather missed the dock that the boat left from. But accuracy and precision both matter. OCU =/= Uniate, any more than Maduro's a Maoist JW.)

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