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douglas9

(4,358 posts)
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 08:47 AM Feb 2022

Venezuela Can Bring Putin to his Knees

Right now, Russian tanks have pushed the price of oil past $100 a barrel. That’s a windfall worth an additional half a billion dollars a day to Russia’s treasury. With 43% of Russia’s entire federal budget coming from oil and gas royalties, Putin doesn’t care if his oligarchs are barred from getting tickets to see Hamilton.

The doubling of energy prices over the next year would bring Putin a quarter trillion dollar windfall.

Want to stop Putin‘s tanks? Turn off his war windfall.

How? Unleash the largest reserve of oil on the planet: Lift the cruel, crazy, unjustified embargo of Venezuela.

Venezuela is capable of pumping 2 million barrels of oil a day for export. If Biden announces an end to the embargo, the price of oil will nosedive in 20 minutes. However, the US and Europe have laid siege to Venezuela, stopping everything from food to supplies of parts to get its oil industry back up and running.

Stop choking Venezuela’s economy and starving the Venezuelan people, who are no enemies of America, who invaded no one, and the price of oil will collapse.

The Biden administration continues to prosecute Donald Trump‘s mad embargo of Venezuela. The embargo was triggered by Venezuela‘s insistence on taking back control of its oil industry—and, Heaven forbid, taxing Exxon.

https://www.gregpalast.com/venezuela-can-bring-putin-to-his-knees/

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Venezuela Can Bring Putin to his Knees (Original Post) douglas9 Feb 2022 OP
at this point HAB911 Feb 2022 #1
K and R..I suspect Biden has been told about this. Could happen soon. Stuart G Feb 2022 #2
Spot market in oil jumped, of course. Oil futures much less. empedocles Feb 2022 #3
I don't think the production can be turned up that quickly nitpicker Feb 2022 #4
Yeah, I think a 20 minute turn around is a bit hyperbolic ToxMarz Feb 2022 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Mary in S. Carolina Feb 2022 #5
For now obvious reasons orangecrush Feb 2022 #30
Much like the embargo on Cuba, kept in place for decades just to placate and pander to sop Feb 2022 #6
Trump's embargo continued Obama's embargo. Voltaire2 Feb 2022 #7
I agree, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #10
And all of it to protect corporate profits and keep the US oligarchs happy. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #25
I'm always for ending embargoes. They devastate regular folks. Magoo48 Feb 2022 #8
Imagine Iran and Venezuela reserves on the market JT45242 Feb 2022 #9
Get the new Iran deal signed and open up the spigots. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #11
Which is why Trump did it. wnylib Feb 2022 #14
We hated Chavez but donated oil to our underserved communities. Maybe that's why? Samrob Feb 2022 #12
Thats ridiculous. The poor in VZ are far worse off now than years ago. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #17
"Only returning to democracy can save the VZ people". How true. jaxexpat Feb 2022 #29
Canada orangecrush Feb 2022 #33
👍 TomWilm Feb 2022 #43
Save it. Over 6 million have fled VZ in just the past 6-8 yrs. Many come here. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #47
Years ago? Remember we helped them become a failed state. Samrob Feb 2022 #31
The Chavez/Madruo apologists here are hilarious. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #48
Wat if Putin's surge into Ukraine is not about reviving the old USSR? I only caught a moment of a in2herbs Feb 2022 #13
Neon??? n/t msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #16
Yes, neon. I didn't know either. see below from www.fierceelectronics.com: in2herbs Feb 2022 #18
Here's a little bit of information on that. groundloop Feb 2022 #19
TY, significant information. msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #21
Dodge, not Chevy. dsp3000 Feb 2022 #24
LOL! Thanks! msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #27
Lotta people get their Volts and Neons mixed up. It's all real techy. jaxexpat Feb 2022 #38
hilarious analogy msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #53
✔️ Thank you too! msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #22
VZ's oil production cratered because of incompetence more than sanctions. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #15
Incompetence, riddled with corruption. Like traitortrumpo empedocles Feb 2022 #23
exactly. nt oldsoftie Feb 2022 #49
Venezuela can sell all the oil it produces to India and China eallen Feb 2022 #26
Venezuela Is More Corrupt Than Russia DanieRains Feb 2022 #28
Venezuela nationalized its oil industry. The Wizard Feb 2022 #32
Coincidence? jaxexpat Feb 2022 #39
the people voted maduro out. he refuses to leave. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #50
They nationalized their oil back in the '70's and around 70% of oil producing countries have I think EX500rider Feb 2022 #52
if anything I would bet Tickle Feb 2022 #34
absolutely... myohmy2 Feb 2022 #35
One more dirty deal with a dictator. Do it if we must, but make fossil fuels obsolete ASAP. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #36
is there something llashram Feb 2022 #37
I'm calling my Congressmen and others' as well. nt TeamProg Feb 2022 #40
I believe it's natural gas they need in Germany and elsewhere FakeNoose Feb 2022 #41
Venezuela and Russia are allied dictatorships. nycbos Feb 2022 #42
Ven is an ally of Russia and a member of OPEC. Palast is a moron. mathematic Feb 2022 #44
Problem with Venezuelan oil is it is very heavy crude. roamer65 Feb 2022 #45
In retribution for Ukraine, I would support an American overthrow of Maduro. roamer65 Feb 2022 #46
Venezuela has it's own oligarchs.... ie - mob bosses alittlelark Feb 2022 #51

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
4. I don't think the production can be turned up that quickly
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:01 AM
Feb 2022

I would expect some of the capacity has been shut in.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
20. Yeah, I think a 20 minute turn around is a bit hyperbolic
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:34 AM
Feb 2022

since we've been:

"stopping everything from food to supplies of parts to get its oil industry BACK UP AND RUNNING."

Response to douglas9 (Original post)

sop

(10,167 posts)
6. Much like the embargo on Cuba, kept in place for decades just to placate and pander to
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:15 AM
Feb 2022

rabidly anti-Castro Cuban-Americans in South Florida, Venezuelans displaced by the Chavez and Maduro regimes have demanded the US take a similar stance with their country. These people care less about Putin, Ukraine and rising gas prices than they do about driving Maduro's leftist government out of power.

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
7. Trump's embargo continued Obama's embargo.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:29 AM
Feb 2022

We have been fucking with Venezuela for decades. We fuck with every state in central and south america whenever we feel the need. We’ve invaded and occupied several of them. Toppled regimes all over the map. This isn’t Trump, it’s us. It’s what we do.

But yes of course we should stop our economic war and our subversion of Venezuela.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
10. I agree,
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:44 AM
Feb 2022

Our crew worked in Venezuela during Hugo Chavez' time. We could not believe that the average workers who were working beside us told us they loved Chavez.

I think this idea needs to be pursued, but I'm sure our MSM will lay into president Biden for kissing up to Maduro.

Magoo48

(4,708 posts)
8. I'm always for ending embargoes. They devastate regular folks.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:39 AM
Feb 2022

But isn’t it a bit hypocritical to embargo a country for human rights violations until such time as we need their oil?

JT45242

(2,267 posts)
9. Imagine Iran and Venezuela reserves on the market
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:40 AM
Feb 2022

Both of them would end the Saudi and Russian dominance if the supply, and therefore, cost of oil.

Trump pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal just made Putin stronger.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
12. We hated Chavez but donated oil to our underserved communities. Maybe that's why?
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:50 AM
Feb 2022

But the poster is right on with this. There is oil in Venezuela and no matter what is spun here the revenues were being used to help the poor and that is exactly what the greedy corporatists could not stand. Hence all the shit thrown at Chavez and his supporters. But today is a different story. It will cost us dearly to get access to that oil, I believe but it would thwart Putin's dream.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
17. Thats ridiculous. The poor in VZ are far worse off now than years ago.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:17 AM
Feb 2022

MAduro & his friends have stolen everything they can get their hands one. Including elections.
And as I said in another post, its their own incompetence that has dropped production because nobody is stupid enough to spend any money there.
VZ was once 12 times richer than China. Now they're a failed state run by a failed dictator. Only returning to democracy can save the VZ people

OPEC can replace VZ oil output in a week.

jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
29. "Only returning to democracy can save the VZ people". How true.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 11:06 AM
Feb 2022

Now, if only there were a powerful, functional democracy nearby one could point toward as a template to emulate. A place with honest elections where the candidate with the most votes is always the winner. Where honest and free media ensures that the electorate is filled with useful and accurate information. A North American nation which was not run by protection rackets and their citizens do not live in fear of "no health insurance". A land where politicians are not elected solely on the strength of their campaign coffers.

Surely such a land must exist. If only in the fantastical hopes of generations of immigrants whose personal investment, against incredible odds and despite much suffering, must have made a lasting spiritual impression on somebody. Right?

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
47. Save it. Over 6 million have fled VZ in just the past 6-8 yrs. Many come here.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 01:50 PM
Feb 2022

Many more are trying to get here. the VZ population here has risen over 50% since 2015. They come for a reason.
They're not fleeing to Cuba.
We're certainly not perfect but we're far ahead of that failed state

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
31. Years ago? Remember we helped them become a failed state.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 11:16 AM
Feb 2022

Embargos help make failed states faster than wars That's why they are employed. Cuba is a fine example. Even the worst dictators do not oversee "failed states" if they are not embargoed and restricted from global markets. Embargos hurt the people more than they hurt dictators. Let the people thrive and they will rid themselves of dictators. But seems not to be the popular MO by the west.
We are doing the same thing to Iran right now. Iranian people are smart, hard-working, religious as any western democracy. They have a rich history and culture. Remember the history of how Iran became a pariah to the west. They had a democratically elected head of state that we didn't like and inserted and supported a dictator that we liked. For that they became the brunt of all kinds of embargos and sanctions. They are surrounded by countries with nukes. They have never invaded or started to invade another country and were helpful to us against ISIS and Syria. They have much more reason to be frightened for their own security than Russia yet they can't even attain nuclear power for their own energy needs and industrialization. We have sanctioned them into a failing state in hopes that their people will rise up and overthrow their regime. Starving, sick, and sanctioned people are in no position to rise up against anyone.

The propaganda and sanctions used against Chavez is why Venezuela is like it is today.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
48. The Chavez/Madruo apologists here are hilarious.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 01:54 PM
Feb 2022

Ignore the theft by both those crackpots. The embargo didn't ruin them, the dictators ruined them. When you don't pay your bills you get zero investment. They have the most oil in the world but can't keep their shit running. Not because of us, because even the RUSSIANS wouldn't give them much money knowing it would just be stolen. Its because they're corrupt.
But you guys can keep on.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
13. Wat if Putin's surge into Ukraine is not about reviving the old USSR? I only caught a moment of a
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:59 AM
Feb 2022

local news piece last night but the person being interviewed about the Russian invasion claimed that Putin wants the neon that only the country of Ukraine can provide because Ukraine neon is what is needed in chip manufacturing.

Putin wants Ukraine for their neon and went to China just before the invasion and who produces the chips for the global need? China. A Russia/China conglomeration that has cornered the market on chip manufacturing and the supply of neon for chip manufacturing could control the technology needs of every country, including the US.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
18. Yes, neon. I didn't know either. see below from www.fierceelectronics.com:
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:18 AM
Feb 2022

Ukraine makes more than 90% of the high-grade neon in gas-phase lasers used to make chips produced by U.S. semiconductor companies. The gas is a biproduct of Russian steel manufacturing which is purified in Ukraine, said market research company Techcet. Neon prices soared during the Russia-Ukraine conflict in 2014.

Meanwhile, Russia provides a third of the palladium metal used in sensors and memory products produced by U.S. companies. Russia is also a “crucial” source of C4F6 (hexafluorocyclobutene), which several U.S. suppliers buy and purify for advanced node logic device etching and advanced lithography processes for chip production, Techcet wrote in advance of the invasion as Russia build up troops along the border of Ukraine in recent weeks.

It isn’t clear whether these commodities could be disrupted by the conflict, although chipmakers are following the unfolding crisis carefully.

end

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
21. TY, significant information.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:46 AM
Feb 2022

Didn't know about Neon connected to chip manufacturing. Actually didn't know Neon was a thing other than related to "neon" lights, and the model of Chevrolet back in the late 90's or early Otts,,,



jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
38. Lotta people get their Volts and Neons mixed up. It's all real techy.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 11:31 AM
Feb 2022

Like the gen-exer driving his hands-free Tesla into a semi-conductor during Beethoven's G5 Simcard-phony and microchipping his Bluetooth.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
15. VZ's oil production cratered because of incompetence more than sanctions.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:12 AM
Feb 2022

No one will invest in their oil production because they know Maduro will never pay them back. Just as most other industries have pulled out of VZ. Screw them. We can buy their oil when democracy returns and REAL elections happen.
OPEC could turn on 2M barrels a day in a heartbeat. THATS where the pressure needs to be applied.

eallen

(2,953 posts)
26. Venezuela can sell all the oil it produces to India and China
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:58 AM
Feb 2022

Venezuela's problem is not that it lacks customers willing to buy its oil. Its production decline is on its own end.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
28. Venezuela Is More Corrupt Than Russia
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 11:01 AM
Feb 2022

A family member went there. They wanted her to help count the bribe money. Her friend was a Chavista mayor. Sad. Maduro will steal all revenue and only pay his militias.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
32. Venezuela nationalized its oil industry.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 11:17 AM
Feb 2022

Every country that nationalized oil has had the US overthrow or attempt to overthrow its government.

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
52. They nationalized their oil back in the '70's and around 70% of oil producing countries have I think
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:06 AM
Feb 2022

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
36. One more dirty deal with a dictator. Do it if we must, but make fossil fuels obsolete ASAP.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 11:22 AM
Feb 2022

Fossil fuels are behind this latest war, as so many wars before. Putin's money comes from oil and gas. Putin's leverage over Europe comes from oil and gas. Putin's motive for grabbing Ukraine is partially tied to oil and gas pipelines through it.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
37. is there something
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 11:26 AM
Feb 2022

here that American administration(s) fear? Especially with President Biden following the path of a certifiable psychopath and his administration's policy on Venezuela.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
41. I believe it's natural gas they need in Germany and elsewhere
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 11:44 AM
Feb 2022

The pipeline from Russia through the Baltic is for natural gas, not oil. Their power generators have been converted to natural gas for environmental reasons, and Germany is in the process of shutting down their nuclear power plants.

Does Venezuela export natural gas? I'm not sure about this, but if they do it would require several days of shipping via ocean vessels to Europe. Your suggestion may have merit but I don't believe it's the answer to Germany's problem.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
44. Ven is an ally of Russia and a member of OPEC. Palast is a moron.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 12:17 PM
Feb 2022

Venezuela colludes with the rest of OPEC and with Russia to keep oil prices high.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
45. Problem with Venezuelan oil is it is very heavy crude.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 12:40 PM
Feb 2022

Only specific refineries can process it.

CITGO in Lake Charles, LA can process it.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
51. Venezuela has it's own oligarchs.... ie - mob bosses
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:56 AM
Feb 2022

I WISH it could be Reality - but Mob Bosses tend to stick together.

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