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Right now, Russian tanks have pushed the price of oil past $100 a barrel. Thats a windfall worth an additional half a billion dollars a day to Russias treasury. With 43% of Russias entire federal budget coming from oil and gas royalties, Putin doesnt care if his oligarchs are barred from getting tickets to see Hamilton.
The doubling of energy prices over the next year would bring Putin a quarter trillion dollar windfall.
Want to stop Putins tanks? Turn off his war windfall.
How? Unleash the largest reserve of oil on the planet: Lift the cruel, crazy, unjustified embargo of Venezuela.
Venezuela is capable of pumping 2 million barrels of oil a day for export. If Biden announces an end to the embargo, the price of oil will nosedive in 20 minutes. However, the US and Europe have laid siege to Venezuela, stopping everything from food to supplies of parts to get its oil industry back up and running.
Stop choking Venezuelas economy and starving the Venezuelan people, who are no enemies of America, who invaded no one, and the price of oil will collapse.
The Biden administration continues to prosecute Donald Trumps mad embargo of Venezuela. The embargo was triggered by Venezuelas insistence on taking back control of its oil industryand, Heaven forbid, taxing Exxon.
https://www.gregpalast.com/venezuela-can-bring-putin-to-his-knees/
HAB911
(8,890 posts)whatever it takes
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)nitpicker
(7,153 posts)I would expect some of the capacity has been shut in.
ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)since we've been:
"stopping everything from food to supplies of parts to get its oil industry BACK UP AND RUNNING."
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orangecrush
(19,546 posts)sop
(10,167 posts)rabidly anti-Castro Cuban-Americans in South Florida, Venezuelans displaced by the Chavez and Maduro regimes have demanded the US take a similar stance with their country. These people care less about Putin, Ukraine and rising gas prices than they do about driving Maduro's leftist government out of power.
Voltaire2
(13,023 posts)We have been fucking with Venezuela for decades. We fuck with every state in central and south america whenever we feel the need. Weve invaded and occupied several of them. Toppled regimes all over the map. This isnt Trump, its us. Its what we do.
But yes of course we should stop our economic war and our subversion of Venezuela.
gab13by13
(21,323 posts)Our crew worked in Venezuela during Hugo Chavez' time. We could not believe that the average workers who were working beside us told us they loved Chavez.
I think this idea needs to be pursued, but I'm sure our MSM will lay into president Biden for kissing up to Maduro.
Lonestarblue
(9,981 posts)Magoo48
(4,708 posts)But isnt it a bit hypocritical to embargo a country for human rights violations until such time as we need their oil?
JT45242
(2,267 posts)Both of them would end the Saudi and Russian dominance if the supply, and therefore, cost of oil.
Trump pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal just made Putin stronger.
gab13by13
(21,323 posts)wnylib
(21,447 posts)Samrob
(4,298 posts)But the poster is right on with this. There is oil in Venezuela and no matter what is spun here the revenues were being used to help the poor and that is exactly what the greedy corporatists could not stand. Hence all the shit thrown at Chavez and his supporters. But today is a different story. It will cost us dearly to get access to that oil, I believe but it would thwart Putin's dream.
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)MAduro & his friends have stolen everything they can get their hands one. Including elections.
And as I said in another post, its their own incompetence that has dropped production because nobody is stupid enough to spend any money there.
VZ was once 12 times richer than China. Now they're a failed state run by a failed dictator. Only returning to democracy can save the VZ people
OPEC can replace VZ oil output in a week.
jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)Now, if only there were a powerful, functional democracy nearby one could point toward as a template to emulate. A place with honest elections where the candidate with the most votes is always the winner. Where honest and free media ensures that the electorate is filled with useful and accurate information. A North American nation which was not run by protection rackets and their citizens do not live in fear of "no health insurance". A land where politicians are not elected solely on the strength of their campaign coffers.
Surely such a land must exist. If only in the fantastical hopes of generations of immigrants whose personal investment, against incredible odds and despite much suffering, must have made a lasting spiritual impression on somebody. Right?
orangecrush
(19,546 posts)oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)Many more are trying to get here. the VZ population here has risen over 50% since 2015. They come for a reason.
They're not fleeing to Cuba.
We're certainly not perfect but we're far ahead of that failed state
Samrob
(4,298 posts)Embargos help make failed states faster than wars That's why they are employed. Cuba is a fine example. Even the worst dictators do not oversee "failed states" if they are not embargoed and restricted from global markets. Embargos hurt the people more than they hurt dictators. Let the people thrive and they will rid themselves of dictators. But seems not to be the popular MO by the west.
We are doing the same thing to Iran right now. Iranian people are smart, hard-working, religious as any western democracy. They have a rich history and culture. Remember the history of how Iran became a pariah to the west. They had a democratically elected head of state that we didn't like and inserted and supported a dictator that we liked. For that they became the brunt of all kinds of embargos and sanctions. They are surrounded by countries with nukes. They have never invaded or started to invade another country and were helpful to us against ISIS and Syria. They have much more reason to be frightened for their own security than Russia yet they can't even attain nuclear power for their own energy needs and industrialization. We have sanctioned them into a failing state in hopes that their people will rise up and overthrow their regime. Starving, sick, and sanctioned people are in no position to rise up against anyone.
The propaganda and sanctions used against Chavez is why Venezuela is like it is today.
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)Ignore the theft by both those crackpots. The embargo didn't ruin them, the dictators ruined them. When you don't pay your bills you get zero investment. They have the most oil in the world but can't keep their shit running. Not because of us, because even the RUSSIANS wouldn't give them much money knowing it would just be stolen. Its because they're corrupt.
But you guys can keep on.
in2herbs
(2,945 posts)local news piece last night but the person being interviewed about the Russian invasion claimed that Putin wants the neon that only the country of Ukraine can provide because Ukraine neon is what is needed in chip manufacturing.
Putin wants Ukraine for their neon and went to China just before the invasion and who produces the chips for the global need? China. A Russia/China conglomeration that has cornered the market on chip manufacturing and the supply of neon for chip manufacturing could control the technology needs of every country, including the US.
msfiddlestix
(7,281 posts)in2herbs
(2,945 posts)Ukraine makes more than 90% of the high-grade neon in gas-phase lasers used to make chips produced by U.S. semiconductor companies. The gas is a biproduct of Russian steel manufacturing which is purified in Ukraine, said market research company Techcet. Neon prices soared during the Russia-Ukraine conflict in 2014.
Meanwhile, Russia provides a third of the palladium metal used in sensors and memory products produced by U.S. companies. Russia is also a crucial source of C4F6 (hexafluorocyclobutene), which several U.S. suppliers buy and purify for advanced node logic device etching and advanced lithography processes for chip production, Techcet wrote in advance of the invasion as Russia build up troops along the border of Ukraine in recent weeks.
It isnt clear whether these commodities could be disrupted by the conflict, although chipmakers are following the unfolding crisis carefully.
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groundloop
(11,518 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,281 posts)Didn't know about Neon connected to chip manufacturing. Actually didn't know Neon was a thing other than related to "neon" lights, and the model of Chevrolet back in the late 90's or early Otts,,,
dsp3000
(483 posts)Either way, crappy vehicle except for the SRT-4.
msfiddlestix
(7,281 posts)not surprised I had that wrong. don't know why I thought it was a chevy.
jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)Like the gen-exer driving his hands-free Tesla into a semi-conductor during Beethoven's G5 Simcard-phony and microchipping his Bluetooth.
msfiddlestix
(7,281 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,281 posts)just saw the other post with this information... new info for me..
thanks!
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)No one will invest in their oil production because they know Maduro will never pay them back. Just as most other industries have pulled out of VZ. Screw them. We can buy their oil when democracy returns and REAL elections happen.
OPEC could turn on 2M barrels a day in a heartbeat. THATS where the pressure needs to be applied.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)eallen
(2,953 posts)Venezuela's problem is not that it lacks customers willing to buy its oil. Its production decline is on its own end.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)A family member went there. They wanted her to help count the bribe money. Her friend was a Chavista mayor. Sad. Maduro will steal all revenue and only pay his militias.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)Every country that nationalized oil has had the US overthrow or attempt to overthrow its government.
jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)So the people suffer
Not our fault.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)Tickle
(2,520 posts)Venezuela likes what Putin is doing
myohmy2
(3,162 posts)...where's Hugo when you need him?
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lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Fossil fuels are behind this latest war, as so many wars before. Putin's money comes from oil and gas. Putin's leverage over Europe comes from oil and gas. Putin's motive for grabbing Ukraine is partially tied to oil and gas pipelines through it.
llashram
(6,265 posts)here that American administration(s) fear? Especially with President Biden following the path of a certifiable psychopath and his administration's policy on Venezuela.
TeamProg
(6,124 posts)FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)The pipeline from Russia through the Baltic is for natural gas, not oil. Their power generators have been converted to natural gas for environmental reasons, and Germany is in the process of shutting down their nuclear power plants.
Does Venezuela export natural gas? I'm not sure about this, but if they do it would require several days of shipping via ocean vessels to Europe. Your suggestion may have merit but I don't believe it's the answer to Germany's problem.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)mathematic
(1,439 posts)Venezuela colludes with the rest of OPEC and with Russia to keep oil prices high.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Only specific refineries can process it.
CITGO in Lake Charles, LA can process it.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)I WISH it could be Reality - but Mob Bosses tend to stick together.