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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt was all so avoidable
And nothing made that clearer to me than watching Secretary Clinton being interviewed this morning.
I don't want to refight the 2016 election, but every time I try to move on, the events of the world drag me back.
It's not just 2016 either.
I have seen posts on here that basically say, "well, we bombed Afghanistan and Iraq and tortured people, so we have no moral standing to condemn Russia."
That is infuriating. Not because my country didn't do these terrible things, but because it is the worst kind of revisionist history. You can't just throw the "we did it too" card devoid of any context.
That context is the choices "we" made.
All of that terrible shit our country did was totally avoidable.
Suppose Al Gore didn't have to rely on a couple hundred votes and a conservative supreme court in 2000.
There's more than a good God Damned chance that he would have read his PDBs.
There's more than a good chance 9/11 might never have happened.
No 9/11 - No Global War in Terror.
No 9/11 - No Afghanistan
No Afghanistan - No Iraq
Even if there had been those events, Dick Cheney would not have been "advising" the President and a Gore presidency wouldn't have had AG Gonzalez arguing in favor of torture.
I guess All Gore just wasn't "inspiring enough".
Suppose just 75,000 people in 3 states hadn't thought Hillary was "just as bad" as a racist, fuckstick orange colored Circus Clown.
Would President Clinton have kissed Vlads and Kim's asses?
Would President Clinton destroy NATO for a fucking gilded hotel in Moscow?
Reproductive Rights wouldn't be in the chopping block.
The Voting Rights Act wouldn't have had the guts ripped out of it.
Citizens United wouldn't have opened the floodgates to corrupt dark money in political campaigns.
Biff, the Handmaiden and that corporate droid Gorsuch would be harassing undergrad pre-law students at Liberty University, instead of deciding life-changing/nation-changing/freedom-changing issues at the fucking Supreme Court.
Blaming the things our country has done for the murderous shit going on an Ukraine is dishonest. But worse than that, it's an attempt to absolve the posters of any responsibility for the current shitshow we are in.
I wonder if the Russian people absolve themselves for what Putin is doing, by pointing out that there was no one else "inspiring enough"?
Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)... Putin considers Clinton to be a strong enemy of his type of Communism. It's strange how people here don't quite understand that... they think of the Clintons as "hippie" "commie" types. No... they strangled an already dying Communism and delivered "human rights" and "freedom" messages that were heard by everyday Russian and Chinese people.
JasonMain
(79 posts)America was struck first and went on a mission to hunt down global terrorism. Ukraine did absolutely nothing to Russia and is now being tortured by Putin.
kimbutgar
(21,055 posts)Every time I see that movie I think of TFG.
hippywife
(22,767 posts)I wonder if the Russian people absolve themselves for what Putin is doing, by pointing out that there was no one else "inspiring enough"?
This assumes a fair, uncorrupted election system in Russia, which we know there is not.