Does Ukraine really matter to you?

[lefthandedskyhook]

Is it just a talking/listening point? Not so much for those kids in the trenches. Notice that they are not abandoning their posts?

[Dale in Laurel MD]

1. It does to me

because of family connections.

[Beaverhausen]

2. What is happening there matters to every living thing on this planet

Putin is a dangerous maniac and we all need to fight him now before he goes any further.

[boston bean]

3. Yes it really does.

[Beastly Boy]

4. Is the Pope Catholic?

[lefthandedskyhook]

8. mostly...

heh

[sinkingfeeling]

5. It most certainly does. It should concern anyone, anywhere who believes in freedom, national

sovereignty, and democracy.

[TheProle]

26. +1 Thank you

[MLAA]

52. +1

[smirkymonkey]

85. +1000

[Nevilledog]

88. Absolutely right

[Raine]

6. YES definitely. nt

[multigraincracker]

7. I had a lot of Ukrainian friends in

Detroit. Good friends. Mostly second generation, but knew their elderly parents too. I never heard a good word about Russia from any of them. This was 20 years ago.

[brush]

53. 20 years ago was not far from the time Ukraine declared it's independence when the Soviet Union...

broke up in the '90s. I've learned that Ukraine also broke away in 1918 after WWl. it didn't last long as Russia pulled them back in after a few year.

The history of the Polish/Lithuanian/Ukrainian/Russian relationship is fascinating. The city of Kyiv is the ancient center of the Rus tribes dating back to 1000s and there have been many treaties and broken treaties as there have always been resistance movements by Ukrainians (Cossacks included) against Russian domination.

[Biophilic]

9. Yes, it matters. What are you trying to get at? Seems like an odd question for DU.

[dchill]

10. This.

[lefthandedskyhook]

13. not a DU regular, sorry

just having a chat

[Biophilic]

23. Ya, right. Weird chat topic. I wonder why.

[LakeArenal]

63. That seems clear. But you joined in 2004?

Seems you have been around a
Long time.

[demmiblue]

22. Apparently, he is not getting enough attention.

There's a link in his post in the Lounge (response #12). Also, he thinks that DU is full of spies.

[Biophilic]

27. Projection maybe...

[lefthandedskyhook]

98. Attention is irrelevant

Bloody horror is occuring. I am not a skilled messenger, just someone who cares

[BlackSkimmer]

99. Lol, he's not the only one.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

11. Very much...

Tired of putin & especially his lackeys in the US, from pushing democracy off the cliff.

[lefthandedskyhook]

21. more than tired of the killing

putin and the orange bomb have done far too much and must be stopped completely

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

30. Very much...

Ukraine is the front line.

Saddam invaded Kuwait claiming it was historically Iraqi territory, a UN resolution told him to get out, 65 nations enforced the resolution. Putin is using the same rationale, the UN should do something similar, only problem is putin sits on the security council.

[lefthandedskyhook]

32. Ick

There must be a workaround

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

37. US Ambassador is going to the General....

Assembly, where Russia doesn't have a veto.

[lefthandedskyhook]

39. I will cross my fingers and toes

.

[at140]

12. It would but can we afford it?

https://usdebtclock.org

[ProudMNDemocrat]

14. It matters because....

The people of Ukraine deserve to be free of Russia's yoke.

I am also reminded of our missteps when it came to regime changes in parts of the world and nation building. I believe the United States is more humble now because of it. Our support for Ukraine and strengthening the resolve of NATO come from those hard lessons learned.

[Caliman73]

15. Interesting question.

What is going on regarding Russia invading a sovereign country is wrong. I feel a great deal of sadness for the people of Ukraine. I hope that they can persevere and that Russia can be dealt with in a way that punishes Putin for his crimes.

Given that most of the people on DU live in the United States, which is thousands of miles away from Ukraine, and most of us have no direct involvement, how would we show that it is more than a "talking/listening point"?

Regarding the people in the trenches defending their homeland, one would imagine that if our country were being invaded by a foreign adversary, that we would also participate in the defense of it. They are brave and they are fighting for their homes and families.

Putin and the Russian troops following his illegal orders should face war crimes tribunals.

[marie999]

70. He won't just like Bush didn't.

[Caliman73]

73. Sadly true.

Look how long it took us to get Slobodan Milosevic. Putin and Bush are on an entirely different level geopolitically.

We don't have a good track record of holding powerful world leaders accountable.

[brush]

16. Yes. Ukraine doesn't want to be a part of Russia. Putin wants to take it back and re-form the...

USSR or Russian Empire, which ever it is, for his own legacy as it's rumored that he's sick.

Of course the evil bastard has to be stopped as who knows which other countries he wants to rake back in.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

17. Yes it does

They're a democracy that's threatened by an oligarchic dictatorship.

[we can do it]

18. Yeah, I care about others, even if I don't know them.

[Tommy Carcetti]

19. I have Ukrainian in my blood, visited three years ago and have family there now.

So naturally it does.

[lefthandedskyhook]

29. Thank you for speaking up

.

[mitch96]

69. My Mom was from Western Ukraine. Stalin killed off most of the family, Hitler the rest..

Yeah, I care...
m

[CaptainTruth]

20. It matters a hell of a lot to me.

[ellie]

24. Yes it does.

To me.

[Chainfire]

25. Of course it matters to me.

The health and security of MY nation is in the balance. Putin is on a path to dominate Europe. Where would that leave the US?

[dwayneb]

42. It matters to the world

It's amazing that we have traitors like Trump and Carlson right here in our country who are giving aid and comfort to the man who has the power to destroy everything we've fought and died for.

Absolutely Putin's invasion of Ukraine is an immediate threat to the West, and to the USA.

Are we going to play this one like we did in WW2? Wait until it's almost too late to finally decide to get serious about stopping the aggressor? We got damned lucky to stop Hitler. Not sure we would be so lucky with Putin if we try to play the waiting game.

[Chainfire]

47. I couldn't agree more. He has to be stopped, sooner rather than later.

Putin is cashing in the dividends of his investments in weakening our Democracy. Too many American think that Putin is a hero.

[benpollard]

28. Yes, it matters

We need to support democracy whenever and wherever we can — especially when it's being threatened, as it is in Ukraine right now. Fascism is spreading from inside many countries, and there's not much we can do about people who crave authoritarian rule in their own countries, but we as a country do have some power to stop authoritarians from imposing their will on other countries. It's up to us to exercise that will.

[I_have_a_cat_bite]

31. sometimes I wonder

I was really disappointed when many fellow Democrats immediately stopped paying attention to conditions at the border when Biden was elected.

[lefthandedskyhook]

36. Your poster name is hilarious... love it!

Which border do you mean?

[I_have_a_cat_bite]

46. thanks!

The southern border with Mexico. There was a lot of interest with human rights issues concerning ICE and border patrol that kind of evaporated after Trump lost.

[lefthandedskyhook]

49. My wife and I lived in New Mexico for 20 years

Sad situation with ICE

[cadoman]

89. sometimes it feels like we jump from issue to issue to issue

I guess that is just the way the world works. Right now it is Ukraine. Last week it was nazi truckers. The prior week was vaccine mandates. For a long time it was Jan 6th insurrection and COVID and mask efficacy. I vaguely remember being incredibly worried about a ventilator shortage for a few days. Before that was BLM and finally, yes, kids in cages.

It feels like Thailand or climate will be coming up next. We'll get back to the border when we get back to the border.

[Hekate]

100. How about this: we are exhausted, and we trust Biden is doing the right thing

[electric_blue68]

33. Yes. 1) I don't like bullies. 2) I'm also 2nd gen half Ukrainian American

[dwayneb]

34. Of course it matters

I'm honestly a little confused by the idea that this is even a question. It's hard for me to imagine any thinking person who can't put himself or herself in the shoes of the people that are facing the threat of a monster like Putin. They are seeing everything they valued or own - gone in the blink of an eye. Freedom, families, future... all swept away as they go under the boot of this madman.

[lefthandedskyhook]

43. its about keeping it in our consciousness. that is all

friend

[maxsolomon]

35. Pass on this poll.

Question is passive aggressive.

[JoanofArgh]

38. Yes. Not only did one side of my family emigrate from Molotschna in Ukraine

back in the early 1900's but my doctor and a co-worker are Ukrainian. Then there's the fact that they're fighting an authoritarian tyrant for their democracy. I can relate.

[MineralMan]

40. Of course it does.

As you have seen from the replies.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Yes

Everybody deserves a say in how their government is run.

[MaryMagdaline]

44. Yes. They're a fledgling democracy. Worth our attention

My father fought in Europe in WWII. NATO matters to me. It was a huge reason I backed Hillary in 2016 beginning in the primaries. She put NATO front and center.

[Hekate]

45. What do you expect us to say? You were already told in a previous post that we care --

Is there something else you’re looking for from this particular group?


🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

[lefthandedskyhook]

48. Lets hold candles

for our friends

...and the eyes of the world
are watching now
watching now... Peter Gabriel

[Hekate]

54. We are all fairly well informed news junkies here, & Democrats, & right off the bat there was...

…. a silent thread for prayers/good vibes/uplifting thoughts for the people of Ukraine. My contribution, as always, was this


Sorry you missed that thread.

[lefthandedskyhook]

59. Thanks to you

Xlnt icon, friend of van Gogh

[Hoyt]

50. It definitely matters. Maybe they've changed, but the Guardian called

Ukraine the most corrupt country in Europe in 2017. And plenty of others have said the same.

But Russia needs to withdraw.

[lefthandedskyhook]

58. I do not claim to understand the Ukrainian government

The people are my concern

[electric_blue68]

68. Even if there was a lot of corruption the average Ukrainian was ...

probably being affected, than the effector.

[LuckyCharms]

51. Pardon me if I'm incorrect, but

I usually do not look at the screen names of people who post, but this subject is kind of sticking out like a sore thumb, and I've noticed that this is the second time you posted today implying that people do not care about Ukraine.

What's up?

[lefthandedskyhook]

55. Just wondering

Obviously a stupid question on my part

[FSogol]

60. I think you'll find that Democrats do care and the issues aren't just talking points.

I'll side with democracy every time.

[lefthandedskyhook]

65. I became a Democrat

The night Richard Nixon resigned. I was still a boy

[lefthandedskyhook]

67. Thanks

To several in this thread who have been most gracious after my somewhat crude outburst of emotion for Ukraine, thanks

[BlueCheeseAgain]

56. Yes. Any unjustified invasion of another country and people matter.

More particularly, I know people from Ukraine.

[DarthDem]

57. Hell Yes.

I am deeply moved by the utterly unnecessary suffering being inflicted on those who live there, and by their heroism in resistance.

[Trueblue Texan]

61. It matters to me...

...what happens to Ukraine foretells the story of other western democracies. We MUST support Ukraine.

[hamsterjill]

62. It matters to me because

The suffering breaks my heart. They wanted to be free and were working towards that. They had hopes and dreams.

But mostly it matters to me because madmen like Putin have got to be stopped. I don’t know when it will ever be that the world stops giving in to the bullies, but that is what it is going to take to set things right again. Whether Ukraine or America. We’ve got to face the bullies and we’ve got to win.

[Crunchy Frog]

64. Yes it does. Naked aggression against a sovereign country always matters to me.

Ukraine has suffered enough over the last century. They don't deserve to go through this crap.

[myohmy2]

66. yes...

...

[marie999]

71. Yes, but the US can only do so much.

Sending arms is okay, but it can't send troops. US and Russian troops can not get into a war.

[lapucelle]

94. "It" can't send troops?

We might send troops as part of a NATO force. Exactly what role we would play is another question entirely.

[Quixote1818]

72. This is certainly in my top 3 most important issues facing us right now. nt

[Straw Man]

74. Were there a lot of Brits sitting around in 1939 ...

... asking "Does the Sudetenland really matter to you?"

[BootinUp]

75. They matter to the future of the human race.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

[scarytomcat]

76. Democracy matters to me

Fascism and war are things that need to be spoken out against. Ukraine is basically defenseless against a bully like Putin. He must be stopped.

[Straw Man]

77. I wonder if a lot of people were sitting around in 1939 ...

... asking "Does the Sudetenland really matter to you?"

[Goodheart]

78. I'm f***ing sick to my stomach, so I guess my answer is yes.... you think?

[UTUSN]

79. Yes. *YOU*? - Anything matter to you?

[Skittles]

80. why are you asking this?

it matters to EVERYONE with empathy and critical thinking skills

[argyl]

81. Very much so. I'm always with the little guys fighting the bullies

[DFW]

82. Is that a joke? Look at a map. There is exactly one country between me and the Ukrainian border

That is Poland, and it’s not huge. From here to Kiyv is about a two hour flight.

So, yeah, it matters. It matters plenty.

[Hekate]

84. That guy has been kind of obsessing today

Not sure why, or what the point is.

Regardless, you and yours stay safe.

[alittlelark]

83. Of Course - Do U Care about YOUR Country?

They are Homo Sapen Sapien

[ibegurpard]

86. It concerns me when a democratic country is invaded

By a dictatorial one. Especially one that continues to try to undermine my own.

[roamer65]

87. Fuck Putin.

I want to see his dead body hanging from the rafters of a gas station, like Mussolini.

[DashOneBravo]

90. We have an agreement

That was from when President Clinton was in office.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082172618/why-ukraine-gave-up-its-nukes

Also my girlfriend who’s grandparents are Ukrainian.
They have family there and now they are in an area where there is no fighting.

[msfiddlestix]

91. Absolutely matters to me

and so it should all of us...

the WHY it should matter, really doesn't need to be spelled out, does it?

[Stinky The Clown]

92. .

[durablend]

93. It matters to me

Because this *can* happen here.

[Emile]

95. Freedom over Fascism, hmmm, yes it matters!

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

96. Yep. I support all struggles for democracy against violent, warmongering fascist imperialists.

And support all struggles for democracy against anti-democratic insurrectionists like fascist MAGATS and the MAGAT King as well.

[eShirl]

97. It matters to anyone who cares about the future of the world.