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Update from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as of midnight their time (Original Post) steve2470 Feb 2022 OP
Love that update !!!! secondwind Feb 2022 #1
May it be so! niyad Feb 2022 #2
It's become a battle of good vs. evil. OMGWTF Feb 2022 #3
Deliver them from evil. tavernier Feb 2022 #24
Aaaaaah... thank you Jesus. ancianita Feb 2022 #4
🌻 May It Be So 🌻 irisblue Feb 2022 #5
Please pray for Kyiv and Ukraine FakeNoose Feb 2022 #6
Been sending up my prayers. iluvtennis Feb 2022 #29
Kinzinger is calling for air support Nevilledog Feb 2022 #7
Read that twice: "the fate of the west" bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #11
I listened to him, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #12
That would be a major escalation wnylib Feb 2022 #15
I think he's responding as a soldier. This would be a disaster. Nevilledog Feb 2022 #16
All true but if Ukraine falls, Putin will move on to the next conquest. TomSlick Feb 2022 #27
You are preaching to the choir wnylib Feb 2022 #30
In which case, we agree. TomSlick Feb 2022 #31
Yes! Do it now! Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #26
With the airports still free, supplies of food, medicine and weapons can be flown in! 70sEraVet Feb 2022 #8
As a border city, Buffalo media are wnylib Feb 2022 #17
You're gonna fight like there's no tomorrow if it's YOUR beloved land calimary Feb 2022 #9
The longer this lasts, the worse it is for Putin. SunSeeker Feb 2022 #10
I love to hear it! But I hope... Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #13
Can't we send them tanks and stinger missles CanonRay Feb 2022 #14
How would we get past Russian lines wnylib Feb 2022 #18
Bring them in from Poland. CanonRay Feb 2022 #19
Looks like we have a new Churchill, but without the imperialist baggage... /nt artemisia1 Feb 2022 #20
Democracies should be fighting with Ukraine, Nato or no Nato. WTF world? Joinfortmill Feb 2022 #21
Deliver them from evil. tavernier Feb 2022 #22
Rt TY💙 Cha Feb 2022 #23
I hope these reports don't mirror those of "Baghdad Bob." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2022 #25
I would hate to get directly involved. Gore1FL Feb 2022 #28

Nevilledog

(51,094 posts)
7. Kinzinger is calling for air support
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 08:27 PM
Feb 2022



Tweet text:
Adam Kinzinger
@AdamKinzinger
·
Feb 25, 2022
1) The fate of #Ukraine is being decided tonight, but also the fate of the west. Declare a #NoFlyZone over Ukraine at the invitation of their sovereign govt. Disrupt Russias air ops to give the heroic Ukrainians a fair fight. It’s now, or later.

Adam Kinzinger
@AdamKinzinger
2) History teaches that taking a stand is inevitable and gets more costly with time. We own the skies, Russia cannot hold a candle to our Air power. Do this. Putin is too dangerous to hope he is satisfied with “just Ukraine.”
4:33 PM · Feb 25, 2022


gab13by13

(21,330 posts)
12. I listened to him,
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 08:50 PM
Feb 2022

that would be quite a bold move. Putin sounds so unhinged lately, that may lead to WW III.

I feel pretty sad for Ukraine. I hope there is enough of the military left to maintain an insurgency. I honestly wonder about the plan to move Zalensky out of the country and have the military go underground. I honestly have my doubts that Ukraine has the firepower to stop the Russians but they certainly have the will and enthusiasm. I just don't know. I know they can outlast the occupation if they have enough manpower.

Maybe we can pay off some of Erik Prince's mercenaries?

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
15. That would be a major escalation
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:05 PM
Feb 2022

in the war, bringing the US in. Are we prepared for that? Will NATO stand with us if WE get into the fight of our own volition?

Remember, Russia has nuclear subs on both coasts of the US, plus the ability to hack our cyber systems.

If we are ready for such an escalation, can defend ourselves against a nuclear sub attack, and endure cyber hacking, then it would work.

Kinzinger must remember that every action has consequences and a reaction in war time. Decisions must be thoroughly thought through.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
27. All true but if Ukraine falls, Putin will move on to the next conquest.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:03 PM
Feb 2022

Russia has nuclear weapons armed at the US but the US has nuclear weapons aimed at Russia. I am not convinced that Putin is a rational actor but he is surely sufficiently aware to know that if there is a nuclear strike made on the US, Moscow will be a mass of smoldering glass. There is a reason that it is called MAD.

We can either stand up to Putin now, or do so when US troops die in Poland. Putin has massed troops on the Polish border, his intentions are clear.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
30. You are preaching to the choir
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:24 PM
Feb 2022

regarding the danger that Putin poses to Europe and the world. I am fully aware of those things.

I firmly believe that he needs to be stopped and have said so on these boards. But in defeating him, we need to use our heads as well as our emotional disgust for and anger at him. Defeat him, yes. More than that, totally destroy him, then hang him in a public square while the world cheers.

But do it in a way that causes the least cost of life that we can manage.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
31. In which case, we agree.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:43 PM
Feb 2022

Putin's rattling of his nuclear saber cannot prevent us from doing what must be done to save Europe.

I doubt we will see Putin hanging from a street light. If it happens, it must be the Russians that put him there.

70sEraVet

(3,495 posts)
8. With the airports still free, supplies of food, medicine and weapons can be flown in!
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 08:30 PM
Feb 2022

I hope the free nations of the world are helping the defense of Ukraine!

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
17. As a border city, Buffalo media are
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:08 PM
Feb 2022

announcing a Canadian Red Cross fundraiser to match donations dollar for dollar up to $10 M for Ukranian relief.

I am sure that similar programs exist in other cities and countries.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
9. You're gonna fight like there's no tomorrow if it's YOUR beloved land
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 08:31 PM
Feb 2022

that’s being violated.

That’s problem #1.

Seems to me, problem #2 might be the proximity to Russia such that there’s family on both sides of the border. Outlanders won’t have the fire in their bellies or “pride of ownership” that the brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles and cousins and other kinfolks do. Outsiders aren’t personally invested and don’t care one way or the other like kinfolks do. So it’s a fairly easy guess as to who will fight with desperate conviction and who will just be doing a job.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
18. How would we get past Russian lines
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:11 PM
Feb 2022

that now surround Ukraine?

The time for getting big equipment into Ukraine is past. But we might get smaller weapons flown in.

25. I hope these reports don't mirror those of "Baghdad Bob."
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 09:45 PM
Feb 2022

A sample of Baghdad Bob's greatest hits:

"Listen, this explosion does not frighten us any longer. The cruise missiles do not frighten anyone. We are catching them like fish in a river. I mean here that over the past two days we managed to shoot down 196 missiles before they hit their target."

"When we were making the law when we were writing the literature and the mathematics the grandfathers of Blair and little Bush were scratching around in caves."

"By God, I think this is rather very unlikely. This is merely a prattle. The fact is that as soon as they reach Baghdad gates, we will besiege them and slaughter them....Wherever they go they will find themselves encircled."

Gore1FL

(21,130 posts)
28. I would hate to get directly involved.
Fri Feb 25, 2022, 10:07 PM
Feb 2022

It might be interesting if Chechnya and Georgia, started rumbling while Putin is distracted, though.

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