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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump has reportedly discussed withdrawing from NATO. That would be great for Russia (2019)
I guess Trump saying there would not been a major invasion if he was President would be correct assuming that Trump would have gotten his way and withheld millions in aid to Ukraine so that Russia would have been able to roll in unopposed through Ukraine and perhaps through the rest of Europe.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/15/18183759/trump-pull-out-of-nato-nyt-mattis
Julian Barnes and Helene Cooper at the New York Times reported on Tuesday that in 2018, Trump said several times that he wanted to remove the US from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a military alliance between the US, Canada, and multiple European countries signed in 1949 to contain Soviet expansionism after World War II.
Trump has made no secret of his disdain for NATO, which he once declared was obsolete. According to the Times, his repeated requests to withdraw from NATO have rattled administration officials, especially as concerns about his interactions with Russia and President Vladimir Putin grow.
The report details officials efforts to keep Trump contained during the NATO summit in Brussels last July, including pushing ambassadors to finish an agreement on several goals before the meeting to shield it from Trump. He discussed internal business in front of nonmembers of NATO, bucking protocol, and complained as he often does publicly that NATO members arent spending enough on defense.
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(42,152 posts)EarlG
(21,947 posts)Trump was weakening the U.S., and NATO, on a daily basis. There was no point in Putin pulling the trigger while that was going on might as well let Trump have at it.
If Trump had won a second term, Putin would have continued this game for another four years, or until he figured hed done enough damage and an invasion could commence.
If Putin had opted to invade Ukraine during Trumps second term, Trump would have HELPED him. He would have used the presidential bully pulpit to promote the Kremlin line that Ukraine is full of Nazis and terrorists and that Vlad was merely liberating them from their oppressors you know, those rotten bastards who spoiled his perfect phone call and were in cahoots with Hunter Biden. (You can hear the echoes of this right now on Fox News, although even Tucker Carlson seems to have figured out that its not working without Trump in power.)
But as soon as Trump lost, Putin knew he had a limited time to make a move because Biden would start rebuilding the alliances that Trump was trying to wreck. Thats why if he wanted to do it, he would have to do it now. Id say its working out nowhere near as well for him as it would have if Trump had won a second term. Imagine NATO trying to form a coherent response with that dipshit running interference for Putin.
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(113,052 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)would have arranged to 'take out' Zelensky, one way or another.