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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe best outcome from the Ukraine would be disgusted Russians overthrowing Putin
for suppressing their rights and most directly, his unjustified aggression against Ukraine. Perhaps Putin would end up similarly to Ceausescu in Romania-- another autocratic and immoral leader who met an end worthy of his "career". The longer Ukraine holds out, the more chance for disgust for Putin to build worldwide, but most importantly in Russia itself.
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)Give him the royal treatment
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)RockRaven
(14,959 posts)He's a paranoid self-serving mob boss and everyone around him would lose basically everything good/useful they have if he were to fall from that position.
It sounds like nobody not already close to him can get close to him, and everyone already close to him is incentivized to keep him in power.
Let us ponder/consider:
Step 1: The masses rise up against Putin
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Putin is overthrown
What the heck is Step 2? And how does it actually bridge between 1 and 3?
Obvious85
(259 posts)They can't stand him either, no one likes a Malignant Narcissist Authoritarian. Perhaps someone standing right behind him could take him out, or the one who serves his food. So many opportunities! Let's not kill him right away though, arrest him and drag him through the streets so people can spit on him
Justice matters.
(6,925 posts)With the sanctions, the regime will leave them crumbs...
They also face the possibility of a spark, a failed false flag, or anything leading to devastated nuclear winter...
What have they got to lose? What have they got to gain is democratic governance.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Best outcome would also include evidence of Russia's meddling in US politics including evidence of their payoffs to TFG, various Faux f*faces, various proud boys and internet "personalities".
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)
I feel the need to ask Is there an Esso station near the Kremlin?
andym
(5,443 posts)FakeNoose
(32,633 posts)... before hanging him.
Sugarcoated
(7,722 posts)Maybe the tide is turning...it feels like it to me
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)a neo-Stalinist suppression-don't underestimate a mafioso dictatorship. But, that path is never sustainable and shorter than the bad guys expect.
Link to tweet
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Clarifying, just in case any Repubs are reading.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,582 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)blue-wave
(4,352 posts)It has to do with past foreign occupiers calling Ukraine "the Ukraine" as if it is some sort of possession.
But yes, I agree, Putin is not mentally stable. He has hinted at using the nuclear option and that is something that should never be done. There's something very wrong, likely a physical illness, with him.
It has nothing to do what the Russians called Ukraine because there are no definite articles in the Russian or Ukranian languages. This is a Western invention and a debate among Westerners. There is literally no translation in their language or Russia's that expresses "the." So it can NEVER have been used by Russians.
Is THE United States of America a possession? The Netherlands, the Maldives, the People's Republic of China? Exactly who are we as Americans possessed by?
blue-wave
(4,352 posts)Here, I did your homework for you. As it is officially stated as just Ukraine in their constitution, I suggest we honor the Ukrainians wishes and call their country what THEY name it. And I never said anything about the Russians. Funny you would try to label my words as such.
https://www.wnct.com/news/international/why-ukraine-isnt-called-the-ukraine/
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844
"The Ukraine" is incorrect both grammatically and politically, says Oksana Kyzyma of the Embassy of Ukraine in London.
"Ukraine is both the conventional short and long name of the country," she says. "This name is stated in the Ukrainian Declaration of Independence and Constitution."
The use of the article relates to the time before independence in 1991, when Ukraine was a republic of the Soviet Union known as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, she says. Since then, it should be merely Ukraine.
iemanja
(53,031 posts)Of course it isn't called "the Ukraine" in the constitution. There is no equivalent for "the" in their language. There is also no "the" before cat, dog, swing, tree, etc..
"I lifted dog," "I pet cat," is how it they speak. You will never see any definite article in the Ukrainian language. So obviously it's not in their constitution, next to ANY WORD. It can't be when the word "the" doesn't even exist in their language.
Your "homework" in no way refutes my point. It's strange, in fact. A person tells you there is no "the" in Ukranian, and you come back and say there is no "the" in the Ukrainian constitution. Wow, what a revelation.
And if you weren't talking about the Russians, how can it expression domination by the Soviets? It was and remains a term used by Westerners who have definite articles in their own languages.
dchill
(38,472 posts)So these things do happen.
dchill
(38,472 posts)videohead5
(2,172 posts)That other Russian dictators did not have...The internet. They can restrict it some, but the real story is getting through to the Russian people. They are not closed off like they were when it was the Soviet Union.
mucifer
(23,530 posts)Tree Lady
(11,451 posts)Leaders with checks in place. Is that true? That is what makes it scary.