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andym

(5,443 posts)
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:52 AM Feb 2022

The best outcome from the Ukraine would be disgusted Russians overthrowing Putin

for suppressing their rights and most directly, his unjustified aggression against Ukraine. Perhaps Putin would end up similarly to Ceausescu in Romania-- another autocratic and immoral leader who met an end worthy of his "career". The longer Ukraine holds out, the more chance for disgust for Putin to build worldwide, but most importantly in Russia itself.

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The best outcome from the Ukraine would be disgusted Russians overthrowing Putin (Original Post) andym Feb 2022 OP
Take him to the basement of his mansion dalton99a Feb 2022 #1
Works for me! nt SunSeeker Feb 2022 #9
How would the masses even find him? Unless the stories of him being a "bunker boy" are just BS? RockRaven Feb 2022 #2
Someone on the inside, in his inner circle - Trust ME Obvious85 Feb 2022 #13
Massive strikes (with sustained courage) Justice matters. Feb 2022 #16
No, it would not Lithos Feb 2022 #3
Ukraine* ColinC Feb 2022 #4
+1 mahina Feb 2022 #8
For those who have studied history... regnaD kciN Feb 2022 #5
Mussolini was another who got a fate he deserved. NT. andym Feb 2022 #6
Italians did him in, but the Allies would have at least given him a trial first FakeNoose Feb 2022 #28
I believe it can happen Sugarcoated Feb 2022 #7
well Gaddafi was beat to death in a ditch by own people ! monkeyman1 Feb 2022 #10
Protests are building, just day two, watch them grow into a Russian Spring or L. Coyote Feb 2022 #11
Georgia the country, not the state. Duppers Feb 2022 #20
Trump has already tried to extort 11,780 votes from them. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2022 #21
😁 Duppers Feb 2022 #23
He's still trying. L. Coyote Feb 2022 #25
Putin invaded the nation of Georgia in 2008, Chechnya 1999, Ukraine 2014, and Syria 2015. L. Coyote Feb 2022 #24
It's only Ukraine, not "the Ukraine" blue-wave Feb 2022 #12
False iemanja Feb 2022 #17
Sorry to say, but you are wrong blue-wave Feb 2022 #19
You continue to miss the point iemanja Feb 2022 #27
Italians came to moderately disapprove of Mussolini, I hear. dchill Feb 2022 #14
Putin is paranoid for a reason - he knows he ought to be. dchill Feb 2022 #15
Putin has a huge problen videohead5 Feb 2022 #18
he has lots of nuclear weapons and he's nuts. So I don't think that could happen mucifer Feb 2022 #22
I heard he has easier access to them than our Tree Lady Feb 2022 #26

RockRaven

(14,959 posts)
2. How would the masses even find him? Unless the stories of him being a "bunker boy" are just BS?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:09 AM
Feb 2022

He's a paranoid self-serving mob boss and everyone around him would lose basically everything good/useful they have if he were to fall from that position.

It sounds like nobody not already close to him can get close to him, and everyone already close to him is incentivized to keep him in power.

Let us ponder/consider:
Step 1: The masses rise up against Putin
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Putin is overthrown

What the heck is Step 2? And how does it actually bridge between 1 and 3?

Obvious85

(259 posts)
13. Someone on the inside, in his inner circle - Trust ME
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:24 AM
Feb 2022

They can't stand him either, no one likes a Malignant Narcissist Authoritarian. Perhaps someone standing right behind him could take him out, or the one who serves his food. So many opportunities! Let's not kill him right away though, arrest him and drag him through the streets so people can spit on him

Justice matters.

(6,925 posts)
16. Massive strikes (with sustained courage)
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:37 AM
Feb 2022

With the sanctions, the regime will leave them crumbs...

They also face the possibility of a spark, a failed false flag, or anything leading to devastated nuclear winter...

What have they got to lose? What have they got to gain is democratic governance.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
3. No, it would not
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:10 AM
Feb 2022

Best outcome would also include evidence of Russia's meddling in US politics including evidence of their payoffs to TFG, various Faux f*faces, various proud boys and internet "personalities".

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
5. For those who have studied history...
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:14 AM
Feb 2022

…I feel the need to ask “Is there an Esso station near the Kremlin?”

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
28. Italians did him in, but the Allies would have at least given him a trial first
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:24 PM
Feb 2022

... before hanging him.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
11. Protests are building, just day two, watch them grow into a Russian Spring or
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:17 AM
Feb 2022

a neo-Stalinist suppression-don't underestimate a mafioso dictatorship. But, that path is never sustainable and shorter than the bad guys expect.


blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
12. It's only Ukraine, not "the Ukraine"
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:18 AM
Feb 2022

It has to do with past foreign occupiers calling Ukraine "the Ukraine" as if it is some sort of possession.

But yes, I agree, Putin is not mentally stable. He has hinted at using the nuclear option and that is something that should never be done. There's something very wrong, likely a physical illness, with him.

iemanja

(53,031 posts)
17. False
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:48 AM
Feb 2022

It has nothing to do what the Russians called Ukraine because there are no definite articles in the Russian or Ukranian languages. This is a Western invention and a debate among Westerners. There is literally no translation in their language or Russia's that expresses "the." So it can NEVER have been used by Russians.

Is THE United States of America a possession? The Netherlands, the Maldives, the People's Republic of China? Exactly who are we as Americans possessed by?

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
19. Sorry to say, but you are wrong
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:00 AM
Feb 2022

Here, I did your homework for you. As it is officially stated as just Ukraine in their constitution, I suggest we honor the Ukrainians wishes and call their country what THEY name it. And I never said anything about the Russians. Funny you would try to label my words as such.

https://www.wnct.com/news/international/why-ukraine-isnt-called-the-ukraine/



https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844

"The Ukraine" is incorrect both grammatically and politically, says Oksana Kyzyma of the Embassy of Ukraine in London.

"Ukraine is both the conventional short and long name of the country," she says. "This name is stated in the Ukrainian Declaration of Independence and Constitution."

The use of the article relates to the time before independence in 1991, when Ukraine was a republic of the Soviet Union known as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, she says. Since then, it should be merely Ukraine.

iemanja

(53,031 posts)
27. You continue to miss the point
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:21 PM
Feb 2022

Of course it isn't called "the Ukraine" in the constitution. There is no equivalent for "the" in their language. There is also no "the" before cat, dog, swing, tree, etc..
"I lifted dog," "I pet cat," is how it they speak. You will never see any definite article in the Ukrainian language. So obviously it's not in their constitution, next to ANY WORD. It can't be when the word "the" doesn't even exist in their language.

Your "homework" in no way refutes my point. It's strange, in fact. A person tells you there is no "the" in Ukranian, and you come back and say there is no "the" in the Ukrainian constitution. Wow, what a revelation.

And if you weren't talking about the Russians, how can it expression domination by the Soviets? It was and remains a term used by Westerners who have definite articles in their own languages.

videohead5

(2,172 posts)
18. Putin has a huge problen
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 03:53 AM
Feb 2022

That other Russian dictators did not have...The internet. They can restrict it some, but the real story is getting through to the Russian people. They are not closed off like they were when it was the Soviet Union.

Tree Lady

(11,451 posts)
26. I heard he has easier access to them than our
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:14 AM
Feb 2022

Leaders with checks in place. Is that true? That is what makes it scary.

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