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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBill Maher insists that Democrats forgive&forget this whole Trump stuff
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2656795610/"The Republicans are leaving Trump! Now is the time for Democrats to move on and to stop harping about all the bad stuff Republicans have done! Or else it will be YOUR fault that THEY return to Trump-worship!"
These poor, poor Republicans. If only Democrats would forgive&forget, then everything would return to normal.
orwell
(7,771 posts)Key words here are "has been."
Just go away...
BigmanPigman
(51,583 posts)Last week he made a joke about Ukraine and was dismissive of the entire issue. Bill was already "done with it" and it is no big deal according to him. I had to turn it off. This week I listened for 5 minutes and now he has a different attitude about Ukraine. The dude is an ass.
orwell
(7,771 posts)...and they were watching "both sides Bill."
I hadn't seen him in years. I was appalled at how anti-democrat and pro-CON he had become. He was truly vile in his smug condescension. I had to leave the room, but not before calling him out for the bullshit he was spewing. They looked genuinely shocked that I found him so objectionable.
I have zero patience for this both sides bullshit anymore. Drumpf turned me into a anti-CON fanatic. I feel like I am in Germany in 1938 listening to people tell me that I am over reacting.
"But he gives such a rousing speech!"
Send the "libertarians" to Somalia. I'm sure they'll love the fredumb..."
BigmanPigman
(51,583 posts)He only cared about the money he was losing from not being able to do his live, stand -up shows. He said everyone was overreacting .
orwell
(7,771 posts)...I had detoxed from old Billo.
I probably would have thrown a bottle of hand sanitizer at the screen.
I stopped giving a fuck about him 5 or so years ago. I think I originally started following him when he was going after organized religion, a pet peeve of mine.
I also noticed recently that he seems to pop up a lot with sexual abuser/ drug addict Hugh Hefner during his wild party days at the LA mansion. Those two sleazeballs deserve each other.
Birds of a feather...
You can't pay me to watch his crap
Tetrachloride
(7,826 posts)that dead guy Epstein. Putin. Ukraine. Insurrection
We dont automatically forgive people who are trying to kill me.
TheBlackAdder
(28,181 posts).
They are leaving Trump because even Trump isn't extreme enough now.
In a few years, they will lump Trump in the same category a W, GHWB and Reagan -- RINOs.
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Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)the election with violence, and siding with Putin. However, we do have to try to come back together as a country or we're doomed. Maybe the best way is to allow Trumpers to slowly drift away from that cult of personality and come back into the fold as fellow Americans, even if we'll never agree on politics--as long as they behave.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Republicans pretend to be the party of personal responsibility.
Then why are Democrats somehow responsible for the political platform of the Republicans????
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,950 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Fuck right the fuck off.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)everyonematters
(3,433 posts)If he retires from politics, that's something else.
Hekate
(90,627 posts)🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
betsuni
(25,449 posts)it happens to all of us." Falling for bullshit populists doesn't only happen to right-wingers. Anyone who finally wakes up should be encouraged to vote for Democrats. That's the important thing for the country's future.
When the Republican Party was deeply unpopular after the Bush administration, Obama had a message of hope and unity, no "us" vs "them." I agree with When they go low, we go high, don't be the enemy they need.
Pisces
(5,599 posts)Mess were in. Out with the lot Cruz, Graham, etc. The people that got sold ie. the voters we can afford to be more generous. He gave solid examples of how it has worked in the past. I dont think the democrats of a certain age are wanted by the progressive wing of the party. I cant believe there will be a rebuttal by our own party members at the State of the Union. We are our own worst enemy sometimes.
betsuni
(25,449 posts)It's meant to "articulate a progressive vision. As opposed to what? Joe Biden? Mussolini?" As if the Democratic Party isn't progressive or "too big of a tent" and full of Republicans or something.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)betsuni
(25,449 posts)If more Republicans stop voting for Trump cult politicians (Republicans), the better for the country. Provide these voters with "a face-saving path for them to become indoor Republicans again." The Lincoln Project's former Republicans did it, Liz Cheney and Romney want a non-cult Republican Party.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)I guess Maher is still eating the "we can win them" crap
Dems are leaving base votes on the table and its mostly PoC, not the 98% of Trump voters who don't think racism is a deal breaker.
Yes, PoC vote majority Dem but not in the PERCENTAGE of population that white voters vote as a whole.
There SHOULD BE 80% white people voting 80% Hispanic, black etc etc .. there's not.
I understand people who are white being white centric in thinking we can easily or even with moderate resources win Trump voters ... no we can't, there's nothing backing that notion up.
But there's TONS of data backing up the fact that black and Hispanics voters in this country are not engaged BY THE DNC to the degree white voters are and their win over is CHEAP.
Stacy Abrams showed with VERY LITTLE RESOURCES that black voters especially young ones can be engaged to vote dem in turn around numbers.
It's not lack of, for instance, white voters that lost us Miami Dade and South West Texas dem votes in 2020. Those were left on the table for no dem GOTV in those Hispanic areas and radio that blasted GQP bullshit 24/7 with little to no response at first.
betsuni
(25,449 posts)The way Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney want a non-cult Republican Party.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... we spend on CoC (I'm monetizing for sake of conversation) we spend 2 dollars getting "indoor republican" votes.
They shouldn't be our focus as in saying "lets move on" they should be the peripheral view.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)I can't believe I used to watch this clown
Music Man
(1,184 posts)I do think he's a good comedian at heart.
But at a certain point, EVERY episode was about criticizing wokeness. Literally every single one. OK, Bill, we get it.
His skepticism about vaccines is also contemptible.
Haven't watched an episode in several weeks (probably going on months now), and I don't miss it.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,181 posts)Carlitos Brigante
(26,500 posts)memories and a really long list of grievances. Which don't include being mad about being locked in our mansions. Or our building departments not treating us like we're special..... And I'll just close by making that stupid ass face he makes whenever the punch line is supposed to hit. And if you don't laugh it's your fault, because I'm so edgy.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)To anyone who thinks he's an ally, or some sort of progressive voice.... I don't know what to tell you. Bill Maher's purpose is to stir up shit and cause drama.
Even when trying to stir up drama, he can only do such much to hide how fucking far to the right he really is. After all, it's the "woke" who get criticized. It's us Democrats who need to do this or do that. It's his barely-concealed bigotry.
Not only that... What happened the last time we "looked forward" when a Republiqan president committed crimes? We got Drumpf. We forgive and forget and "look forward" on Drumpf, we're going to get even worse out of the QOP. You let little fucks like the QOP get away with shit, and they'll see how much worse they can be the next time around. But then, Billy, I think that's exactly what you want.
Bill Maher is not our friend. And he never has been.
Go model ball gags, Maher.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... republicans pols are RULED to this second by Putin's Whore.
Fuck Maher and his gas lighting, he's on the take.
betsuni
(25,449 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)We spend 2 dollars trying to win over Trump voters while we're leaving black and Hispanic voters on the table that cost .50 cents.
Stacy Abrams showed that in large technicolor
betsuni
(25,449 posts)As Trump loses popularity with the base.
I don't know what you mean about "our base of PoC not being engaged."
Nobody thinks the majority of Republican voters will suddenly vote for Democrats except the economic populists who think there'ill be a working class alliance between right-wing and left-wing populists.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)That's ***NOT*** happening by the DNC, not by a long shot.
Maher's thinking gets the DNC spending 2 dollars on swing voters while 1 dollar would get them the same volume in voters from CoC.
Nobody thinks the majority of Republican voters will suddenly vote for Democrats
Nobody said they would either and there ARE swing voters on the table, THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO TURN RESOURCE WISE.
It's WAY LESS expensive to engage Communities of Color and disengaged white voters.
That's not to say don't spend resources on swing voters at all but that should not be the vast majority or resources.
Bill Clinton and Obama got it right, DO reach out to swing voters but put most of the money and time on engaging dem base votes.
That's the OPPOSITE of what Maher and every right wing analyst say WHEN they say "leave all that behind", bullshit.
You want to deflate that CoC and white disengaged voter base to limpness say "we wont hold all these rich white folks accountable for all the bullshit in the last 5 years".
Even the notion of that is sickening
highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)Emile
(22,636 posts)I haven't watched his show in years!
Botany
(70,483 posts)... crap just in order "to stir up shit." His act is one of a contrarian. Trump or w Bush in power? Then he
will talk crap about the GOP and now that the Ds are back in power he will take the other side. The only
question is he like Carlson in that he has other people write the words that come out of his mouth.
I was done with Maher when his anti God movie had him making fun of "Good Old Boy" truckers who were
praying at some truck stop. Even though I am not all that religious I wanted a trucker to punch him in his
mouth.
Baitball Blogger
(46,698 posts)Who is he to tell us what to do?
Mr. Sparkle
(2,930 posts)he is very close to jumping the shark
Paladin
(28,246 posts)He's no longer even trying to hide the fact that he's a world-class trump whore.
Pull the plug on this creep, people. Crater his ratings and send him into way-overdue retirement.
Scrivener7
(50,935 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)about Republicans but we need to make sure to mention the good things we have done. When there are improvements made because of the bills passed by democrats and signed by Biden we need to make sure people know THIS IS BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATS .
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and respect, usually a number of things, sometimes almost all of a show or article. They camouflage and grease the way down for what is not admirable for some people and provide excuses to support for others.
Watching his show with a notebook and then analyzing should be revealing. Standing firmly against kicking puppies does not somehow erase acting as an asset for Russia's political warfare.
LiberalFighter
(50,851 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Never heard of him. Did he say something?
tavernier
(12,375 posts)unlock the cells and let everyone go free?
Because if we do it for one criminal, we should do it for all.
Say what, Bill, thats not what you meant?
So in other words, just free the rich, white criminals?
Ok. I get it.
lark
(23,083 posts)He is Such a waste of space.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)Maher simply pointed out that a whole lot of people who were snookered into backing Trump are ripe for the picking as future Dem voters. People make mistakes, and Trump, his harem of Republican Party concubines, and Fox News are exceptionally gifted lie mongers. If Trump voters want to become our allies against the debased and disgraced Republican Party, they're welcome. It would be vindictive and foolhardy to try to cancel them and look down on them for life. That's not liberalism.
Maher's not saying to forgive and forget the Trump stuff. He's saying remember it, but don't be jerks if people want to change.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)One of the best takeaways if the art of war is to give your enemy a way to retreat and save face. The best way to defeat an enemy is to make them a friend.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)What Maher is suggesting is using grace.
Our goal as a party should be to win elections.
Using grace with former dump supporters could help us welcome them back into the realm of the sane and win elections.
It has worked. It will work.
If you dont understand the difference
634-5789
(4,175 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Maher loves to be deliberately outrageous. The only person in this world that he cares about is himself.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Maher consistently comes off as ignorant.
kentuck
(111,076 posts)I was impressed.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)For the rest of the Democratic Party, the GOP funding and approval of an attempted coup on January 6th, ignoring the damage Trump did to this country over 4 years was/is unforgivable.
Until they cleanup their own pigpen (or we do it for them), Democrats are not moving on.
Jesus, talk about an appeaser!
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,078 posts)Maher is not funny
Voltaire2
(12,995 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,267 posts)all this Hillary and Obama stuff.
iemanja
(53,027 posts)Mahrer is an asshole.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Some bad weed messing with his neurons?
JCMach1
(27,555 posts)A majority of the party and a big proportion of the base is anti-democracy now.