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Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:33 AM

Are there any sanctions on energy?

Are we still buying from Russia? I haven't heard any mention of sanctions on buying oil.

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Reply Are there any sanctions on energy? (Original post)
BlueLucy Feb 2022 OP
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #1
BlueLucy Feb 2022 #3
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #6
ChazII Feb 2022 #2
BlueLucy Feb 2022 #4
CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #10
PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #5
gab13by13 Feb 2022 #7
PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #8
Sgent Feb 2022 #19
Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #9
CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #11
Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #12
CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #13
Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #14
CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #15
Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #16
BlueLucy Feb 2022 #18
BlueLucy Feb 2022 #17

Response to BlueLucy (Original post)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:37 AM

1. Well, this is the hold up on banning Russia from SWIFT,

If we ban Russia from SWIFT it won't be able to export fossil fuels to Europe and the EU is hesitating enacting this.

President Biden and Canada are discussing doing SWIFT but we need to keep our allies united.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:42 AM

3. US and Canada should do it.

Does Banning SWIFT here affect Europe?

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Response to BlueLucy (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:04 AM

6. If it doesn't then absolutely we should do it.

Russia would shut the gas off to the EU if the EU did SWIFT, with that said the EU hasn't completely ruled it out.

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Response to BlueLucy (Original post)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:42 AM

2. Listening late last night

I heard that we are still buying from Russia.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:43 AM

4. Good Lord! nt

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Response to BlueLucy (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:21 AM

10. If us stopping buying causes them to shut off Europe

 

That doesnít help.

It isnít just about what us on a message board think we should do. Would love to stuck it to Russia but if that causes more harm than good it isnít the right thing to do.

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Response to BlueLucy (Original post)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:02 AM

5. Basically no. Why not? To keep the price of energy from going up.

Russia is a huge energy supplier and a disruption in the flow would spike prices and disrupt the economies of western countries.
In regards to this issue Secretary of State Blinken said we didn't want to take an action "that would hurt us".

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:07 AM

7. Open the spigots from Venezuela,

Sign the peace deal with Iran and open its spigots. Get other countries to increase exports.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:11 AM

8. Biden asked OPEC to increase supplies they apparently said no. n/t

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:13 PM

19. VZ

couldn't supply more if they wanted to (they do). Saudi or Iran might be able to, but the problem is this isn't about oil, it is mainly about natural gas. Europe either has to covert its NG electrical plants back to coal, which we can supply, or massively cut both its electrical usage and heating / cooking usage of NG.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:18 AM

9. Ukrainians are putting themselves in front of tanks. Their residential

apartment buildings are being bombed.

I'd be willing to limit my driving to only necessities. I'd be willing to put the thermostat down to 50. I'd be willing to buy fewer petroleum based products. We should be doing that anyway.

What else would it take? I'd be willing.

It would be the least I could do to support them, and in the long run it would benefit all of us..

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:23 AM

11. I, I, I, I,

 

All those things are awesome and commendable but much of Europe depends on that energy in bogger ways than being a little less comfortable.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:26 AM

12. Like what? Heating, transportation, petroleum based products.

What did *I* miss?

We aren't talking about removing oil-based energy. We're talking about removing one fractional source of it.

So what can't YOU live without? Or more accurately, what can't YOU cut down on?

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:29 AM

13. It isn't about US.

 

at least not US living in the U.S.

What you are talking about would have drastic effects on people in Europe. Like I said all of the things that you listed are great and commendable.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:34 AM

14. It is TOTALLY about us. All of us. Especially the U.S. Because we are addicted to petroleum.

It is a finite resource, and the U.S. uses the lion's share of it. Russia's production of it is the basis of Vlad's power.

If we use less, Europe can use more.

Better yet, if we wean ourselves off our addiction, people like Vlad become completely powerless.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:36 AM

15. OMG. You just can't see it can you?

 

We arenít talking about running out of the resource we are talking about the retaliation that Putin would enact.

Forget it yer not engaged in the actual conversation.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:38 AM

16. Lol. I see it just fine. But that's a nice dodge. Have a nice day.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:11 AM

18. If we're not willing to take some sacrifice

Putin will win. Oil money is the only sanction that really matters.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:08 AM

17. It's worth the sacrifice.

I'm not happy about it. It feels weak.

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