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Are there any sanctions on energy? (Original Post) BlueLucy Feb 2022 OP
Well, this is the hold up on banning Russia from SWIFT, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #1
US and Canada should do it. BlueLucy Feb 2022 #3
If it doesn't then absolutely we should do it. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #6
Listening late last night ChazII Feb 2022 #2
Good Lord! nt BlueLucy Feb 2022 #4
If us stopping buying causes them to shut off Europe CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #10
Basically no. Why not? To keep the price of energy from going up. PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #5
Open the spigots from Venezuela, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #7
Biden asked OPEC to increase supplies they apparently said no. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #8
VZ Sgent Feb 2022 #19
Ukrainians are putting themselves in front of tanks. Their residential Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #9
I, I, I, I, CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #11
Like what? Heating, transportation, petroleum based products. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #12
It isn't about US. CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #13
It is TOTALLY about us. All of us. Especially the U.S. Because we are addicted to petroleum. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #14
OMG. You just can't see it can you? CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #15
Lol. I see it just fine. But that's a nice dodge. Have a nice day. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #16
If we're not willing to take some sacrifice BlueLucy Feb 2022 #18
It's worth the sacrifice. BlueLucy Feb 2022 #17

gab13by13

(21,312 posts)
1. Well, this is the hold up on banning Russia from SWIFT,
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:37 AM
Feb 2022

If we ban Russia from SWIFT it won't be able to export fossil fuels to Europe and the EU is hesitating enacting this.

President Biden and Canada are discussing doing SWIFT but we need to keep our allies united.

gab13by13

(21,312 posts)
6. If it doesn't then absolutely we should do it.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:04 AM
Feb 2022

Russia would shut the gas off to the EU if the EU did SWIFT, with that said the EU hasn't completely ruled it out.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
10. If us stopping buying causes them to shut off Europe
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:21 AM
Feb 2022

That doesn’t help.

It isn’t just about what us on a message board think we should do. Would love to stuck it to Russia but if that causes more harm than good it isn’t the right thing to do.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
5. Basically no. Why not? To keep the price of energy from going up.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:02 AM
Feb 2022

Russia is a huge energy supplier and a disruption in the flow would spike prices and disrupt the economies of western countries.
In regards to this issue Secretary of State Blinken said we didn't want to take an action "that would hurt us".

gab13by13

(21,312 posts)
7. Open the spigots from Venezuela,
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:07 AM
Feb 2022

Sign the peace deal with Iran and open its spigots. Get other countries to increase exports.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
19. VZ
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:13 PM
Feb 2022

couldn't supply more if they wanted to (they do). Saudi or Iran might be able to, but the problem is this isn't about oil, it is mainly about natural gas. Europe either has to covert its NG electrical plants back to coal, which we can supply, or massively cut both its electrical usage and heating / cooking usage of NG.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
9. Ukrainians are putting themselves in front of tanks. Their residential
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:18 AM
Feb 2022

apartment buildings are being bombed.

I'd be willing to limit my driving to only necessities. I'd be willing to put the thermostat down to 50. I'd be willing to buy fewer petroleum based products. We should be doing that anyway.

What else would it take? I'd be willing.

It would be the least I could do to support them, and in the long run it would benefit all of us..

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
11. I, I, I, I,
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:23 AM
Feb 2022

All those things are awesome and commendable but much of Europe depends on that energy in bogger ways than being a little less comfortable.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
12. Like what? Heating, transportation, petroleum based products.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:26 AM
Feb 2022

What did *I* miss?

We aren't talking about removing oil-based energy. We're talking about removing one fractional source of it.

So what can't YOU live without? Or more accurately, what can't YOU cut down on?

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
13. It isn't about US.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:29 AM
Feb 2022

at least not US living in the U.S.

What you are talking about would have drastic effects on people in Europe. Like I said all of the things that you listed are great and commendable.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
14. It is TOTALLY about us. All of us. Especially the U.S. Because we are addicted to petroleum.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:34 AM
Feb 2022

It is a finite resource, and the U.S. uses the lion's share of it. Russia's production of it is the basis of Vlad's power.

If we use less, Europe can use more.

Better yet, if we wean ourselves off our addiction, people like Vlad become completely powerless.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
15. OMG. You just can't see it can you?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:36 AM
Feb 2022

We aren’t talking about running out of the resource we are talking about the retaliation that Putin would enact.

Forget it yer not engaged in the actual conversation.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
18. If we're not willing to take some sacrifice
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:11 AM
Feb 2022

Putin will win. Oil money is the only sanction that really matters.

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