Am I the only one who's thinking we should want fighters like Ukraine in NATO?

[windje]

[AlexSFCA]

1. 100%

If we prevail, we should invite Ukraine to join NATO right away. Maybe pass some special legislation by nato countries to make it possible. I bet we’ll see Finland and Sweden rushing to join NATO after this is over. You can’t live next to Russia and not have NATO protection, it’s recless.

[thecrow]

5. Ukraine is already on the list of special countries under consideration for membership

1. They got rid of their nukes
2. They joined armed conflict to fight on NATO’s behalf.

Voting within NATO must be unanimous. France and Germany voted against
Ukraine joining.

Then this happened.

NATO can’t take them in now because that would be tantamount to
declaring war on Russia. .

Can they stop this through sanctions and negotiation?
That would be the world’s best outcome but could the world trust the Russians?
My heart is breaking for the Ukrainian people and my head hurts.

[highplainsdem]

2. Definitely not the only one.

[halfulglas]

3. The reason they haven't been admitted yet is because their government still had an

unacceptable level of corruption left over from the Russian era. They have been improving since Zelenskyy became president, but still not acceptable to the other NATO countries. I'm not sure what that level is because most governments have some (and ours was rising in the last 5 years, especially at the very top, because TFG) but if Ukraine survives this, there will be many patriots in the government and if they ask, it would be hard to turn them down I would think.

[marie999]

6. Transparency International has them at 177 out of 180 countries for corruption.

[lapucelle]

7. No it doesn't.

It has Ukraine at 122/180 for perceived corruption.

It's a public opinion survey.

https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/ukraine

[marie999]

8. Correct, but how an individual perceives something

is not the same as how Transparency International comes up with its CPI. Media Bias/Fact Check lists Transparency International factual reporting as very high.

[lapucelle]

9. The post said that that Ukraine was ranked 178/180, and that's grossly inaccurate.

It also overlooked the fact that it was a perceived corruption ranking based on public opinion surveys.

Moreover, while the website's factual reporting in stories it publishes might be high, that doesn't mean that the opinions and/or perceptions of people participating in their public opinion surveys are "factually very high".

[lapucelle]

11. The CPI is based on public opinion surveys. It says so right on their website.

The Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) ranks of countries around the world, based on how corrupt their public sectors are perceived to be.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020

[nycbos]

4. That's thought might have crossed my mind once or twice.

[anamnua]

10. They were the best Soviet fighters in WW2. NT.