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Aristus

(66,285 posts)
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:07 PM Feb 2022

Makes this old tanker enormously proud.

There are unconfirmed reports that American tank crewmen and tank mechanics are getting on to Twitter to tell Ukrainian defenders how to disable Russian tanks.

In tanker school, the merits and weaknesses of presumed enemy tanks were drummed into us over and over, the better to set up a disabling or killing shot on the tank gun. Good information to share right now.

It's kind of funny; I trained as a tanker towards the end of the Cold War, when it was assumed that any enemy we faced in battle would be fielding Soviet-made tanks, and any allies we had would be using Western-built tanks. We trained rigorously in tank recognition for this reason.

Then the Gulf War came along, and we had to face the fact that at least one ally, Syria, would be using Soviet-made tanks like the T-62, while our enemy Iraq, in addition to operating huge numbers of various Soviet tank models, also used Western-made tanks like the American M-60 and the British Chieftain.

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Makes this old tanker enormously proud. (Original Post) Aristus Feb 2022 OP
As the saying goes "Not all hero's wear capes!" makes my heart burst!! PortTack Feb 2022 #1
My father was a tanker. Third Army. He was 19. Tetrachloride Feb 2022 #2
Third Army. Best unit to serve in for tankers. Aristus Feb 2022 #3
My father was also a Tanker Trailrider1951 Feb 2022 #4
I served with the 1/69th Armored Regiment of the 3rd Infantry Division in Kitzingen, Germany. Aristus Feb 2022 #5
This restores some of my faith... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #6
Britain equivalent to Sec of State was asked if she minded Britain's volunteering to go to Ukraine yaesu Feb 2022 #7
A mobility kill is a kill. Aviation Pro Feb 2022 #8
I had to google your term... blue sky at night Feb 2022 #13
My 83-year-old dad was a tank mechanic Shrek Feb 2022 #9
Huzzah to your dad. KentuckyWoman Feb 2022 #17
Great post! Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #10
Oddly, I was reading a fairly dated Quora thread about the merits of various tanks. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #11
Tankmen: There when you need 'em. sarge43 Feb 2022 #12
Damn straight! Aristus Feb 2022 #19
Machinists are doing the same things NewEnglandAutumn Feb 2022 #14
there is so much happening to help the Ukrainians... blue sky at night Feb 2022 #15
Nice post. Unconfirmed, but I hope it is true. PatrickforB Feb 2022 #16
And then there are French tanks... jmowreader Feb 2022 #18
How to disable a tank: scipan Feb 2022 #20
Eldest brother orangecrush Feb 2022 #21
Track Vehicle Mechanic ('71-'73) 2nd Armored Div. Fort Hood Texas KS Toronado Feb 2022 #22

Aristus

(66,285 posts)
3. Third Army. Best unit to serve in for tankers.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:15 PM
Feb 2022

It was in the Third Army that tanks were utilized to their fullest potential as an assault force, driving deep into enemy territory, instead of being wasted as a support force for infantry assaults.

Trailrider1951

(3,413 posts)
4. My father was also a Tanker
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:16 PM
Feb 2022

First Armored Division out of Ft. Knox, KY. Fought Rommel's troops in North Africa, and was in Italy for most of WWII. Y'all are a special breed.

Aristus

(66,285 posts)
5. I served with the 1/69th Armored Regiment of the 3rd Infantry Division in Kitzingen, Germany.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:22 PM
Feb 2022

After my overseas tour, I rotated back to the States and served on Fort Knox with the 194th Armored Brigade.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
6. This restores some of my faith...
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 01:34 PM
Feb 2022

In humankind to see the rest of the world coming together and helping in all these creative and useful ways. Hell, even Anonymous came out from the ether to help.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
7. Britain equivalent to Sec of State was asked if she minded Britain's volunteering to go to Ukraine
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 02:50 PM
Feb 2022

and fight for Ukraine & she responded she did not mind at all and it was up to the individuals.

Aviation Pro

(12,124 posts)
8. A mobility kill is a kill.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 03:10 PM
Feb 2022

Torsion bars, end connectors, center guides and sprockets are weak areas for kinetic rounds.

But nothing says hooah like a FSDU sabot round to the underbelly.

Shrek

(3,975 posts)
9. My 83-year-old dad was a tank mechanic
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 03:15 PM
Feb 2022

When I told him about this he demanded “show me how to do Twitter.”

BobTheSubgenius

(11,559 posts)
11. Oddly, I was reading a fairly dated Quora thread about the merits of various tanks.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 03:21 PM
Feb 2022

Unsurprisingly, the M1A came out on top, but that's beside the point. There was a picture of a T90, and there was an added graphic of an arrow pointing to what was presumably a snorkel, and the text was "Molotov cocktail goes here."

Didn't think much of it at the time, but now it seems a trifle prescient.

NewEnglandAutumn

(184 posts)
14. Machinists are doing the same things
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 03:28 PM
Feb 2022

I just saw some posts by machinists sharing their knowledge on how to disable tanks. As horrible as it is to see the suffering and horrific things happening in Ukraine, I am filled with hope for humanity to see all the ways people are trying to help. No matter the outcome I can not imagine that Putin will not pay a huge price for his hubris.

blue sky at night

(3,242 posts)
15. there is so much happening to help the Ukrainians...
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 03:30 PM
Feb 2022

Just love to keep reading about it all. I am impressed on the replies to your thread how many Ukraine Flags are the Avatars! Thanks for your post.

PatrickforB

(14,558 posts)
16. Nice post. Unconfirmed, but I hope it is true.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 03:38 PM
Feb 2022

Everything anyone can do to help Ukraine defend itself is good.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
18. And then there are French tanks...
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 03:45 PM
Feb 2022

…some of which look a bit too Soviet for comfort.

During the Gulf War, the few AMX-30 tanks France sent down were used as the 18th Airborne Corps rear guard element. There were two problems.

First, the French armaments industry at the time believed antitank weapons had gotten so good, if a tank got hit it was going to die. Their response was to put only three inches of armor on the vehicle to make it lighter, and enough horsepower to get it the hell out of Dodge before the enemy could shoot back. However, that’s a recipe for disaster when you’re up against the Soviet 125mm tank cannon.

And second, the turret on an AMX-30 looks a lot like the one on a Soviet tank. If there was a huge tank showdown between the Coalition forces in their western tanks and the Iraqis in their Soviet ones, the appearance of the AMX-30 would be a bad thing.

The French realized this. Their current tank, Leclerc, has very good armor and a turret that looks like no other tank on earth.

orangecrush

(19,403 posts)
21. Eldest brother
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 04:09 PM
Feb 2022

Was in the "Seven Steps to Hell", stationed in Bad Kissingen, Germany, late 50's - early 60's.

After serving, got degree in mechanical engineering and retired as general manager for a division of GM.





KS Toronado

(17,145 posts)
22. Track Vehicle Mechanic ('71-'73) 2nd Armored Div. Fort Hood Texas
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 04:25 PM
Feb 2022

Best place to hit a tracked vehicle is either the drive sprocket or the idler wheel opposite the drive sprocket.
Drive sprockets are usually attached more firmly than the idler wheel because the drive sprocket is providing
the horsepower/torque. The idler wheel however is not over-engineered, much like a car's fan belt idler, it's
just supporting a bearing and keeping the proper tension on the track so the drive sprocket stays engaged.

Drive sprocket & idler are always higher up than the "road wheels", road wheels hold the track on the ground,
tracked vehicles can lose 1 or 2 of these without affecting it's ability to move. Ignore all of the "intermediate"
idlers, the ones above the road wheels if so equipped.

The "KILL SHOT" is the main idler wheel, without them there's to much slack in the track for the cogs of the
drive sprocket to engage properly. It'll stop moving within a few feet.

Anybody with a twitter account (I don't have one) is encouraged to spread this information anywhere you see fit
to help our fellow human Ukrainians.

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