Democratic Socialists of America call on the US to withdraw from NATO

[RandySF]

Link to tweet

?s=21

[cilla4progress]

1. DSA??

...

[mcar]

2. Really? For sweet jeebus' sake, really?

What are they playing at here?

[Samrob]

96. They don't even know who the imperialist are in this case. nt

[Amishman]

164. Completely done with them now, and questioning their motives

More and more they seem to run at cross purposes to the larger party, and seem to accomplish little more than division.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Tankies gonna tank.

[johnp3907]

42. Best reply!

[Sneederbunk]

4. Has it called on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine?

[Celerity]

27. yes

[lapucelle]

51. DSA demands immediate diplomacy and deescalation? To whom exactly are they addressing that demand?

They sound like a bunch of Karens.

[Celerity]

56. they are just shooting off their mouths, almost no one takes them seriously, I certainly do not

I have said for ages that the Squad should dump any relationship with them. Of course no one in the Squad listens to me either, lololol.

[BlueLucy]

59. What imperialist expansionism are they talking about? nt

It's inaccurate to lay blame on USA.

[maxsolomon]

158. Expansion of NATO into former Soviet Bloc nations.

Poland, the Baltics.

[BlueLucy]

159. Thank you for the reply.

Putin is making the case for NATO expansion as we speak.

[Cha]

112. TY Exactly.. has that even Entered

their Talking Points agenda?

[Ocelot II]

5. They're getting more ridiculous and irrelevant by the day.

I think the Squad have ties to DSA.

[lapucelle]

37. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez rallied with the Democratic Socialists of America two weeks ago

in Austin, Texas.

Link to tweet

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According to DSA, she is a member and their "foremost superstar".

TALKING SOCIALISM | Catching up with AOC

Bronx Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, best known as AOC, is DSA’s foremost socialist superstar. Her June 2018 primary win—a 29-year-old taqueria bartender defeating the third most powerful Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives—inspired up to 10,000 people to join DSA.

https://www.dsausa.org/democratic-left/aoc/

[betsuni]

41. +1

[empedocles]

47. Still more quotes, that are great for republicons in November

[betsuni]

67. Absolutely.

[TexasTowelie]

68. +1

[lapucelle]

58. Rashida Tlaib gave the opening speech at the Democratic Socialists of America 2021 convention.

[betsuni]

103. Don't know why these alliances seem to be ignored, they shouldn't be.

[sheshe2]

148. They do.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

6. Would someone tell these dumbasses Russia hasn't been Socialist for about 30 years?

[betsuni]

53. DSA (Democrats Suck Always) apparently think only the U.S. is an imperialist oligarchy and bad.

[lapucelle]

102. Representative Jamaal Bowman is a member of Democratic Socialists of America,

although they discussed expelling him over his Iron Dome vote.

==============================================================================



https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-the-question-of-expelling-rep-bowman/

[betsuni]

104. Uh oh, Bowman did a boo-boo and voted the way he thought best.

[Cha]

114. Rigid little Socialists. I'm on TEAM Ukaine!

💙

[Cheezoholic]

57. Respectfully IMHO Russia/USSR has never been close to "socialist" in its history

These people need to understand that socialism, communism, pure democracies etc. are templates for societal governance. Monarchy, republicanism, authoritarianism/dictatorship, autocracy, technocracy etc are ways to control/implement the former. IMO at this time the fairest and most free form of societal governance are the social democratic experiments going on in many of the post WWII European countries that bore the brunt of the nazi/fascist ethno style of autocracy. Ukraine is one of these that has been trying for the last 30 years.

The DSA is so full of shit and they are playing the hand the Bolsheviks played in Russia, the US and worldwide in the early 20th century. Hijack peoples thirst for freedom, their revolutions, for power IMO.

[MadameButterfly]

65. THis has nothing to do with whether Russia is Socialist

Nor is the DSA siding with Putin.

They have a difference of opinion on how to handle Putin whom they agree is dangerous. They are recognizing that years ago NATO promised Russia it wouldn't expand eastward, yet it has done so. Putin is feeling threatened by NATO countries now lining it's borders, as we would if Canada and Mexico's governments were Russia-friendly, hostile to the US, and armed.

I'm not agreeing with the DSA statement, it's just a little more complicated than this discussion is recognizing.

Of course everything that has happened is Putin's fault, including the desire of countries to join NATO. We'll never know if not expanding NATO or promising that Ukraine would never join NATO would have prevented this invasion. I suspect not.

Now it appears that Putin has overplayed his hand and all this might lead to his downfall, which would be terrific.
On the other hand, Putin seems to me the slash and burn type, and he's threatening nukes. Things could get worse.

This reminds me of the Cuban missile crisis. In retrospect Kennedy seems smart, strong, heroic. But in the midst of it people feared his standing up to Russia would cause a nuclear war. At the time it seemed it could really go either way.

What we were resisting was Russian missiles on our borders. Maybe that's how Putin sees the NATO countries on his border.
Putin is a sociopath, I'd like to see him and his government 6 feet under, but in foreign policy trying to see things from the other's point of view is usually helpful. Not for his sake, but for the outcome we want.

As for the DSA, this statement won't help their cause any more than having the word Socialist as part of their movement.
But comparing them to the Right (who really does support Putin), or saying they are not Democratic, or not Socialist (as other posters have done) is missing the point.

[lapucelle]

78. Wanting the US out of NATO is most definitely siding with Putin and TFG. N/T

[TexasTowelie]

84. +1

[Wingus Dingus]

92. Yup.

[MadameButterfly]

131. i agree that their strategy is wrong

Our getting out of NATO would not get the results they desire.

That doesn't mean DSA is pro-Putin (as are the Republicans) or under the illusion that Putin is a Socialist.
There is enough to criticize here without making stuff up.

[lapucelle]

137. Excuse me? What "strategy" are you talking about,

what policy goal is it designed to advance, and what “stuff” is “made up”?

[MadameButterfly]

166. the strategy

put forth by the DSA calling for US to withdraw from NATO I presume is meant to reduce tensions with Putin. I don't support that strategy, I'm just repeating it because you asked what strategy.

What is being made up: People thinking DSA is siding with Putin because they think he's a Sociailist.
They don't support Putin, his invasion, nor do they think he's a socialist.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/dsa-ukraine/

[lapucelle]

168. The DSA's call for the US to immediately withdraw from NATO is long-standing

and predates the situation in Ukraine. It was not formulated in order to "reduce tensions with Putin". It is a policy position as much as (if not more than) a strategy.





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Who exactly "thinks that DSA is siding with Putin because he is a socialist"? DSA s definitely on the same side as Putin and TFG when it comes to NATO. All three want NATO gone. So what part of my post was "made up"?




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As for the link to DSA apologist Aída Chávez (formerly of The Intercept), her facile insistence that the DSA's statement was nothing more than an anti-war assertion is not at all convincing, and her BDS stand is stunningly at odds with the screed she published today decrying sanctions against Russia.

[herding cats]

145. It's a fantasy (thus, made up stuff) that the US withdrawing from NATO wouldn't be the end of Europe

At least as we know it now. There's truthfully no defending such, let alone calling for the same.

Ukraine is not a NATO member, if we're being painfully honest, in part due to Putin's threats against Europe, and in part due to his previous meddling in their government.

NATO defends, not attacks. Which is why Putin wants us out and it to then be essentially broken. Putin wants to be able to attack with impunity and bring back wars for territory. Which is not hard to do if we were to become nationalist who refuse to engage in the reality we're all tied together and each democracy which falls to a dictator shifts the global power in favor of the bad guys (yes, as we're seeing there are actual global powers who are bad actors. Several of them and we need to be paying close attention.) and toward the dictators.

This is a beginning of a power grab by the bad actors if democratic countries were to let it happen. This isn't about NATO nations on his border. That's fluff, an excuse and untrue.

[BlueLucy]

150. If you read Twitter or Reddit you will see many of them defend Putin. nt

[sheshe2]

139. ***sigh***

Yes.

[radius777]

83. This conflict has nothing to do with NATO.

NATO is a defensive alliance that has never threatened or invaded a sovereign nation. If Putin was a 'good person' he wouldn't care anything about NATO. He wants dominance over Europe and NATO stands in his way. Ukraine is being attacked precisely because it is not in NATO.

[RobinA]

165. My 30ish Nephew

was opining the other day that NATO is an arm of European imperialism set up to destroy Russia. I was a bit taken aback, as I've never really heard anybody say that, and although I'm not a student of international relations, I couldn't really think of any instance of NATO acting that way in my conscious lifetime. I started wondering what we're teaching in school these days.

[MadameButterfly]

167. If in Putin's mind

it has something to do with NATO, then it has something to do with NATO.
However, i agree he would want UKraine regardless, and NATO is defensive. i too wish Ukraine had been accepted to NATO in 2014.

It remains true that this has nothing to do with whether Putin is a Socialist, my orginal point. SDA's position is not based on a belief that Putin is a Socialist.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

86. NATO never agreed

to not expand eastward.

[Demsrule86]

95. Why does anyone need to promise Putin anything...he is a greedy dictator who stole Russia's

wealth and certainly is no socialist...the DSA has always disliked the Democratic Party...screw them and no Democrat should have anything to do with them.

[sheshe2]

140. Hmm.

OP

DSA *defends* Putin as a victim of Western imperialism, forcing Russia to invade Ukraine:

“DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict”

I am confused here, Russia is not the victim here. He is the one that is invading. Putin feels threatened? Did I miss where the NATO allies invaded his country.

They are recognizing that years ago NATO promised Russia it wouldn't expand eastward, yet it has done so. Putin is feeling threatened by NATO countries now lining it's borders, as we would if Canada and Mexico's governments were Russia-friendly, hostile to the US, and armed.

NATO isn't the enemy. They are the peace keepers.

PS...Link to that promise? TY.

..............

Fact is putin and trump are bat shit crazy. Both of them are dangerous to world peace.

[Cha]

141. OMG.. That Is Definitely"Pro Putin"..

WTF.. poor Vlad the Insane Invader!..

Leave Vlad Alone says DSA..

you know what they can do.

Mahalo, she, for you post.

[sheshe2]

144. I don't understand why DSA is taking this position.

It is so wrong in every way.

NATO and the Ukraine are not the enemy..




Thanks, Cha.

[Cha]

146. Yeah, Vlad the Deadly Invader is..

Get A Grip, DSA!

I Love your Sunflower, she! Good job getting it posted!

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

147. It is for you.

And Ukraine.

[Cha]

149. It's beautiful..

Thank You!

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

163. The DSA hates Democrats...they are an adversary and I do not consider them 'left'.

[Volaris]

81. Russia is now, a shock-doctrine, neocon Mob State.

[Caliman73]

133. They operate under Capitalism.

Whatever form of Capitalism anyone wants to call it, but Capitalism nonetheless.

The rather simplistic argument that DSA makes is that these conflicts are caused by Capitalism.

[Caliman73]

132. They condemned Russia for the invasion and called for a withdrawal.

They stated that they invasion hits working classes of Ukraine the hardest.


I don't agree with their message but they said nothing about supporting Russia or Russia being socialist. Russia was never Socialist, they were Communist.

[Hortensis]

154. :) Lenin would strongly disagree. USSR stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Of the forms socialism can take, communism is probably the strongest, Democratic socialism an attempt at a mildest.

Lenin, and his successors, wouldn't be happy that today's socialists are required to dissociate entirely from Russia. I'd love ot hear what they'd have to say about the Democratic Socialists and their plan to sneak socialism in bit by bit until it can take over and eliminate capitalism altogether. I'm guessing disgust, amusement, and approval as long as the period before the takeover was as short as, well, people like them could make it. And the democracy part was only a candy shell.

[sunonmars]

7. The DSA can go screw themselves. These idiots have not got a clue.

[nycbos]

8. Jesus these people are mornons.

Goes to show you how the political spectrum is often circular not linear.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. The horseshoe theory is real.

That's why the people it explains scream the loudest.

[roamer65]

9. Stupid.

[Wingus Dingus]

10. Wait...did I miss where they blamed Putin, or did they

blame the US and NATO?

[haele]

34. I guess we are always expansionists, therefore Putin felt threatened.

I don't know if the rank and file really believe that or just take the admittedly imperialistic actions of corporatists and PNAC types as an always true whenever looking international conflict, because one always fears and reacts worse the monster hiding in one's own closet (or mind) than the one that might be walking around wearing a mask of civility.
But I am pretty sure that those in charge have become accustomed to being well paid useful idiots when certain organizations need cover
It's either acting either with emotional knee-jerk or cynical blind-eye.

Haele

[Wingus Dingus]

44. This is the third time this week I've seen a

"Look what you made Vlad do, America!" rationale being offered from the left. (Tulsi Gabbard included.) It's clear that the conclusion will always be "America's Fault", no matter the circumstances--even in clear cases of open and unprovoked aggression by a larger nation toward a smaller one. Bonkers. Anyway I think "cynical blind eye" is the answer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Because we have behaved badly and fell short of our ideals is not an excuse for Russia

[Wingus Dingus]

62. Well said.

[Salviati]

80. There are posters here who make the same arguments...

[Wingus Dingus]

91. Yes.

[dalton99a]

11. Fucking morons

[Scrivener7]

12. I wish those people would think sometimes.

And to those who have objected to the OP, quit trying to shoot the messenger.

[Happy Hoosier]

13. Fuck those idiots NT

[SheltieLover]

14. Um... No!

[greatauntoftriplets]

15. That'd give Putin the green light to invade further and further west in Europe.

That's the definition of insanity.

[lefthandedskyhook]

16. Wierd ...just wierd

.

[waddirum]

123. Weird?

[TygrBright]

17. How to make yourself irrelevant: A demonstration. n/t

[aeromanKC]

18. Jill Stein must be a Board Member

Sounds like table talk at her diner with Putin.

[mathematic]

19. Just goes to show you the "Democratic" in DSA is just a ruse to appeal reasonable.

I'll believe they're not revolutionary and authoritarian socialists when they stop supporting and providing cover for authoritarians that oppose liberal democracy.

[ProfessorGAC]

32. +1 (nt)

[Hoyt]

20. Kind of like "Defund the police," stupid and not helpful.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

127. Defund the Police was a stupid slogan and cost Democrats a number of seats

[intrepidity]

21. Tell these motherfuckers to go take a look at a map

and see how fucking GINORMOUS Russia is.

Seriously. I doubt they even know.

[blm]

23. One day after Republican Party starts backing away from Putin

and his basement level poll numbers, and now pretending that they side with Ukraine.

[RKP5637]

25. FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[FakeNoose]

26. What are they?

I know what they aren't:
- They aren't Democratic
- They aren't Socialists
- I doubt very much that they're "Young"

- But are they from America? Questionable

Hmmmm .....

[mucifer]

28. This is why at the Pro Ukraine rally today in Chicago they talked about the harm from the far right

AND the far left of each party. The issue is there aren't many people in the far left of the Dems as there are lots more to the far right of the repubs.

Speakers at the rally in Chicago today included the Democratic Governor Pritzker, the Democratic Mayor Lori Lightfoot and the Dem Congressman whose name I didn't catch. The rally was in the "Ukrainian Village" neighborhood of Chicago. LOTS of Ukrainians.

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=-FKROY99oAFa26N1N9jU0Q

[Cha]

99. Oh Wow.. how heartening!

Rt TY so much mucifer!

💙

[PatSeg]

29. What?!?!?

[ymetca]

30. Seems dubious

and designed to further divide consensus on just who is at fault here. Counterpoint to the hard right getting caught with their pants down supporting Putin.

Next step will be to blame this conflict on AOC, Sanders, etc. They're the real problem here, see?

[RandySF]

31. Another source

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/democratic-socialists-of-america-russia-invasion-ukraine-b2024540.html?amp

[ymetca]

52. This will be all over Fox News soon

forcing "the squad" into making public statements, disavow, and so on, which feeds into the narrative that the political Left is as far off the rails as the political Right. But which side actually has more power?

Building a national consensus requires forcing everyone to the desired middle point. The question is, who is deciding where that point is? Mad men, basically. The ones with all the media power, and the oil, and the guns, ultimately. No one wants to starve or freeze, or get herded into refugee camps, so here are your weapons. Your choice.

The whole conflict is just appallingly sad. Is Putin just trying to save face now? Or is he genuinely terrified? Or not terrified enough? We certainly know the Ukrainian people are terrified.

It's all just awful, and we really have no choice now. Putin must go down. I don't see any other way out of this.

[TexasTowelie]

89. The DSA statement is on their website. nt

[mzmolly]

33. Who's funding these fools?

Putin?

[Generic Brad]

38. Not after yesterday!

[mzmolly]

40. Haha!

[Nevilledog]

71. Niiiiiice

[sheshe2]

151. Thank you for your business.

Your inquiry as of 02/28 10:45.

Balance on your account.


00.00

Have a pleasant day.

[relayerbob]

35. How do you say, "go fuck yourselves" in Stupidese?

[Beastly Boy]

63. Maybe something like this

A sign on a Ukrainian road to mess with the invaders.
Arrow pointing forward: This way to go fuck yourselves
Arrow pointing to the left: This way to go fuck yourselves again
Arrow pointing to the right: This way to go fuck yourselves all the way to Russia

[Beastly Boy]

36. North Korea, Belarus, and now DSA.

Putin must be winning the hearts and minds of the entire world...

Oh, could you remind me if any of the above are not brutal despotic regimes?

[dweller]

39. That's it ! I'm tearing up my

slightly damp, misty and ephemeral deeply hidden desire I’ve held since my youth
to live in a peaceful, socialist society …

heading back to the Loners forum to seek fellow sympathizers 😑


✌🏻

[smirkymonkey]

43. There is insanity at both poles of the spectrum.

There is still a lunatic fringe on the left, as well as on the right. Not as big or as bat-shit, but they exist.

[Beastly Boy]

46. Funny thing is, all the lunatics are siding with brutal dictators

Perhaps it is not an ideology thing.

Any mental health professionals here can spare a comment?

[smirkymonkey]

50. Maybe it's just one big death cult.

They are all effing crazy as far as I am concerned. Going off the "deep end" is never a good idea, regardless of what side you are on.

[Sapient Donkey]

136. I think we need to make two more classification buckets

People on the right/left who support liberal democratic values, and then people on the right/left who favor illiberal authoritarianism.

In our respective buckets we may have vastly different views on many things, but we share certain core values and similar themes even if we have different approaches. With the illiberal group both the right and left share a lot of the same language and insult. If someone calls me a shit bag globalist liberal/neoliberal while saying something about "SleepyJoe", I can't say for sure if that's coming from the right or the left. If you haven't done this already, then open up two browser tabs. Point one to that splinter site of former members of DU and then another to freerepublic. Compare some of the talking points and language. Particularly anything that has to do with Russia or President Biden.

[johnp3907]

45. Useful idiots.

The same types who used to say “Stop lying about kindly Uncle Joe” are now saying “Stop picking on poor little Pooty Pants.”

[sop]

48. The 60s called, they want the phrase "imperialist expansionism" back.

[betsuni]

129. Also, "establishment" and "elites" (as in Hollywood (throwing dollar bills at Democrats at a George

Clooney fundraiser in 2016) and accusing the educated (Democrats) of ignoring the working class and only caring about money). All very sixties anti-establishment. All least the hippies were nicer.

[Liberal In Texas]

54. Is this a real organization, or more Ruskie troll farm output? n/t

[Ocelot II]

60. It's real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America

[cinematicdiversions]

79. You will get to hear all about their ideas during the State of the Union rebuttal. NT

[Demsrule86]

117. This really makes me mad...perhaps a primary is in order.

[wnylib]

157. Perhaps? Republicans did not

get rid of the loony tea baggers. They embraced them and look where it got them and the country.

We should not make the same mistake.

Definitely primary them.

This is like the extreme alternatives some Americans took during the Depression. Fascists on the right and both socialists and communists on the left.

[Demsrule86]

160. It won't work. Our party is different...and we can't get the progressives elected in states we need

at the moment.

[wnylib]

161. ??

[Demsrule86]

162. In order to hold a majority, we have to get Progressives elected in red and purple states.

Look at the map. I see no opportunities for this. Taxed enough the Tea Party message resonated in red and purple states as no one likes taxes much. I know we need taxes but...this is a standard GOP talking point. The message had appeal in states they needed to win and with much of their base...the progressive message has little appeal ( I say this with sadness) in red and purple states. We will need to run moderates in many districts. We got the house back with moderates and nothing has changed sadly. I wish progressives would help states like Ohio, rebuild from the bottom up...rather than primarying safe Democratic seats and primarying in areas where if their candidate wins the primary, the GOP type wins the election. There is a seat in Texas where this happens every two years.

[Bettie]

55. Nope

Not going to happen and not a good idea.

[sciencescience]

61. Their statement says no economic brinksmanship should be taken either. So I guess just give up all

power and do whatever Putin and other aggressive people say.

[BlueLucy]

82. They seem to be OK with sanctioning Israel though.

I find that interesting. When the US was pointing out Russia meddling in our elections they were either denying it or against holding Russia accountable because nukes. Basically, allow Russia to do whatever because nukes.

[edhopper]

64. They "claim" 90,000 members

So I figure 9 people in an apartment somewhere.

[WA-03 Democrat]

66. Honest Question

Is this Senator Sanders part of DSA?

[RandySF]

69. I'm not sure. I know he's part of Our Revolution.

[WA-03 Democrat]

73. Thanks the internet has a lot of info

He is indeed part of it. Asking for donations too
https://berniesanders.com/get-involved/democratic-socialists-america/

[Demsrule86]

118. I think he ran as a member of this group years ago...but has not anymore.

[AntiFascist]

70. Sounds like the misguided leftists who initially supported Trump for president n/t

[Scrivener7]

74. Friggin' Jackpine Radicals.

[BootinUp]

75. That is exactly what came to my mind. nt

[Hortensis]

156. Oh, yes! A lot of LW authoritarians identify socialist and/or progressive

because that's the dominant position to oppose liberalislm available to them, but they have a great deal in common with RW authoritarians and populists and what authoritarians all want, above all, is a strong authoritarian leader to shoulder their political burdens and make their decisions for them.

[Meowmee]

72. Very odd

That they don’t have anyone listed at the website by name as being part of their admin etc. If you click on about it takes you back to the twitter post.

[lapucelle]

108. Maria Svart is the National Director of Democratic Socialists of America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Svart

[Meowmee]

109. Ty 😀

[Dirty Socialist]

76. The DSA hurtles towards irrelevancy

Wrong side of history

[LizBeth]

77. Isn't that the party Sanders ran under and his supporters continually told us was

his description?

[greenjar_01]

85. I mean, a lot of us have been saying for years

(some shit I can't say here...)

[Nixie]

110. +1000

[radius777]

87. The far-left is pro-Putin as much as the far-right is.

The reason is that all of them are anti-West/anti-liberal democracy and see NATO as the defender of it.

The far-left hates the West due to the expansion of capitalism and MIC.
The far-right hates the West due to the expansion of diversity and rights for non-whites.
Putin hates the West due to the expansion of democracies and the weakening of autocracies like his.

[rockfordfile]

88. Republican party hates our democracy.

Just call them Russian republicans.

[Hekate]

90. I see, this is all the fault of the US. Good Lord 'n' Butter....

“DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict”



Well, okay. Screw the DSA then.

🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

[betsuni]

97. They can't tell the difference between parties: GWB/Obama/Trump/Biden administrations all want war.

All had/have diabolical plots to take over the world because imperialism, capitalism, oligarchs, neoliberal, corruption, etc.

During the Obama administration they lit their hair on fire about Obama's unilateral imperialist whatever when those were NATO military events. I see pathetic attempts to accuse Biden of wanting war and causing this situation. (And of course Hillary Clinton was "Queen of the warmongers" and would've totally done World War III five minutes after inauguration.)

[Demsrule86]

93. Defend Putin? Fuck them.

[jalan48]

94. Orwellian.

[boston bean]

98. Fuck them.

[peggysue2]

100. Makes me think of that Horseshoe Theory of politics writ large

[Crunchy Frog]

101. Seems similar to what George Monbiot talks about in this tweet,

and got a lot of pushback from the sorts of people he's talking about.

Link to tweet

Also very reminiscent of this whackjob group from the UK.

https://mobile.twitter.com/stwuk

[Cha]

106. NATO is Trying to HELP Ukraine From Being Slaughtered by the Fucking Mad Man, Vlad Putin

Last edited Sun Feb 27, 2022, 11:01 PM - Edit history (1)

So NO.. Pres Biden is Not Going to Abandon NATO

As someone in the thread said..".. has DSA called on Fucking Putin to Get Out of Ukraine?"

[Me.]

107. Sigh

So tiresome these people...they don't help us with winning anything and if we lose next time around they'll see what harm they have have been doing but it will be too late.

[Cha]

111. And they don't want to..

so they don't care.

I saw a Nauseating Gaslit clip of trump at CPac Bashing NATO too.. and Praising Vlad Putin.

💙

[Me.]

113. However Did It Come To This?

[Cha]

115. As long as there are Democratic

People and Leaders who fight for our Rights and Justice We Are in Good Hands.. including our Own.

Thank Goodness we have leaders like PJB, Nancy Pelosi, and the Whole Democratic World Fighting FOR FREEDOM Against GASLIT TYRANNY at Home and Abroad!

Link to tweet

Switzerland's Onboard!

Link to tweet

💙

[Me.]

120. +💙💛

[Azathoth]

116. "We condemn Stalin murdering 30 million people, but the real threat is America."

We've heard this song from the quasi-communist left for 70 years.

[struggle4progress]

119. Get a grip: the Soviet Union collapsed was replaced by mafiosi before you kids were born

[Cheezoholic]

121. Amen n/t

[MustLoveBeagles]

122. This is a stupid idea

[ismnotwasm]

124. Oh for fucks sake.

Read the room assholes.

[Raine]

125. Oh geesh total assholery! 🙄 👎 nt

[betsuni]

126. Especially the sentence about neoliberal order and the ruling class trying to build a new order

through dystopic transition grounded in militarism, imperialism, and war -- what's that supposed to mean?

The thing about the next ten years coming into view through the attack. Does that mean the class revolution? Like the revolution that's supposed to happen in the U.S. because the majority of Americans are democratic socialists, they just don't know it yet? Once they know it they'll rally/protest and the revolution will happen: "We need to rally the American people by the millions. That's what I mean by a political revolution."

[LetMyPeopleVote]

128. Let's just say the DSA's call to abandon #NATO is not exactly playing well with NY Democrats

Link to tweet

[LetMyPeopleVote]

130. The DSA stands with Putin and against Ukraine and NATO.

Link to tweet

[Sapient Donkey]

134. They should be really upset with Putin for driving more support for NATO

by making it much harder to argue against he value of having such an organization.

[lagomorph777]

135. I call on DSA to withdraw from the US.

They are not Americans. Let them go live in Russia with their Republican allies.

[OnDoutside]

138. I watched the German Chancellor speak in parliament yesterday, and his proposals were objected to by

BOTH the Far Right AND the Far Left, so the DSA follow a similar pattern as the GOP in the US.

[Cha]

142. Thank You, OnDoubtSide, for

that report from the German Parliament.

May Sanity Prevail and Ukraine Persevere!

[betsuni]

143. Yes, Trump wanted to withdraw the U.S. from NATO.

[Nixie]

153. +1000

[herding cats]

152. Timely. May this be the end of their anti-democracy if they're 'capitalist to their eyes' rhetoric.

Ukraine is a painful example of not taking real threats seriously (speaking of the rightist in the GOP) because it was politically advantageous to them.

I do not want to be associated with any such people. Politics are nuanced and complicated, and geopolitics are extremely complicated. Defending democracies is imperative to keeping dictators from ruling all of us one bite at a time.

[myohmy2]

155. okay...

...I'm as Socialist as the next guy...

...I was with them until the 'reaffirms'...

...now is not the time or place...