Zelensky calls for Ukraine to be given immediate EU membership

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President Volodymyr Zelensky is asking for Ukraine to be admitted to the European Union as his country fights off Russian forces amid a full-scale invasion.

"Our goal is to be together with all Europeans and, most importantly, to be on an equal footing,” Zelensky said during a video address, according to the New York Times.

“I’m sure it’s fair," he added. "I’m sure it’s possible.”

https://thehill.com/policy/international/596079-zelensky-calls-for-ukraine-to-be-given-immediate-eu-membership

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

1. Sorry bud, that would directly lead to NATO forces attacking Russian attackers, not going to happen.

No doubt a cornered rat Putin would use tactical nukes on the battlefield, we are not going there.

[acantharchus]

2. Putin's trolls are strong today! nt

[lagomorph777]

4. Indeed.

Be prepared to experience stalking. That's what they do when called out.

[Doc Sportello]

8. Wow, a newbie calling out "trolls"

Unless you're not a newbie. Are you a regular poster who got hides for doing the same using a sock?

[Hav]

18. You don't have to be a long-time member

to know about Russian trolls. They are all over social media.

[Doc Sportello]

23. I do know about posters smearing other posters as "trolls"

Because they don't like someone's opinion. This relates to another thread that was removed for doing the same as this poster. And no, I don't believe the poster with 32 posts is new.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

10. You drooling over WWIII? Sounds like you want a world war

[SoonerPride]

21. You ready to just capitulate to Russia out of fear?

No thanks.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

24. Putins balls are in a vise, the SWISS are joining the sanctiins, give em a fucking week to crush him

[Calculating]

22. Sounds like you want to just hand Putin what he wants

Time to call wannabe Hitler's bluff

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

25. Putin is losing, but I dont want him carpet bombing Ukraine cities in retaliation, EU wont stop that

[Happy Hoosier]

9. EU / NATO

Let's be clear. Being a member of of the EU does not make one a member of NATO. That is false.

While I want to avoid a nuclear confrontation, of course, your argument seems to be that we have to let Putin win out of fear of what he might do if he loses. I'm not willing to do that personally. There has to be a line.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

14. Croatia was last country into the EU bloc, the process took 10 years, why stir that pot now?

[Happy Hoosier]

16. Simply put: a statement of solidarity.

What are you afraid of? Making Putin mad?

[SoonerPride]

12. EU membership is not NATO membership

You seem to be confused.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

15. No, but it stirs more shit, the EU bloc shares energy grid, further antagonizing a paranoid madman

[SoonerPride]

19. So? I'm not afraid to poke the bear. Fuck him.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

29. Keyboard commando? You know this war could go on for weeks, months, years?

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

26. The war isnt over! Focus! The solidarity of the world is already there, crush Russia's economy

Feel good acts mean nothing when the tanks are rolling.

[SoonerPride]

27. Then it seems like you're saying grantng EU membership is just a feel good act.

So why not do it then?

You are arguing two sides at the same time.

1. that is meaningless while in the middle of a war
2. that it will anger Putin and lead to carpet bombing

So which is it?

It can't be both.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

30. Holy fuck it is a meaningless gesture when tanks are rolling, yeah, fuck it, u win

Join the EU and we can all watch Ukraine being reduced to rubble in the next 6 months, it means nothing

[EndlessWire]

28. Why do you say that?

You are projecting the way YOU feel about the situation. As we have seen already, Putin is doing whatever he wants, and he doesn't care what you or I think. Just because it is unthinkable to the rest of the world doesn't mean he won't do whatever he thinks will help him win. Therefore, assuming that staying off the battle field will prevent him from using nukes doesn't make sense.

This is exactly what he wants to hear. He and Xi want to dominate the world, and Putin will kill anyone in furtherance of that aim. His own country is safe from actual, physical war (except, perhaps, the vagaries of a spiteful wind or two) because the rest of the world follows the rule of law.

Find another way. We are looking for a peaceful, lawful end to the war, but tell that to some mother holding her dead child. Tell that to many others. What are we to do now?

Ukraine,

[uponit7771]

3. DO IT !! UKR has more frackable NG reserves than Russia and is ONE of the reasons Putler attacked

[Amishman]

7. Yup, developing those post war will help Ukraine recover and reduce coal useage.

[Wicked Blue]

5. K&R

[Amishman]

6. Do it, with the massive direct military aid already happening, its only one step further

Or lets look at it this way.

If Putin is willing to use nuclear weapons to win and/or save face - its probably already a matter of time regardless of if the EU grants immediate membership.

If Putin is not willing to use nuclear weapons, this is a safe move.

Either way, it does not change the overall calculus of the current situation regarding Russia, but does help Ukraine. So just do it already.

[SoonerPride]

11. EU Membership is not the same as NATO membership, so this wouldn't trigger Article 5

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

13. It would trigger Russia as another attempt to pull Ukraine farther to the west's influence

[Hav]

17. So what? Fvck them

Russia won't stop this development. Russia's aggression only accelerated this process. Their murderous dictator is pushing Russia's neighbors towards the West.

[SoonerPride]

20. Good. Your argument is a great reason to accept Ukraine into the EU immediately.